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joshcryer

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79. I think the news wire in general, the dry, classic reporting, is still decent.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 02:16 AM
Feb 2012

Don't get me wrong, it still requires analysis and is itself biased by access (if they don't have access to all sides of a given story or conflict then that side will not be shared). I find it to be OK, though. In contrast to "infotainment" whereby corporate media outlets just plaster you with 90% nonsense 10% substance (and that's being kind).

To parse news though you have to really get into details. If you find a story that seems circumspect, the onus is still on you to figure out if it's true or not.

You mention Saif Gaddafi, a good example, but I liked the Mexico escape story (not sure if that's the one you're talking about). The news wire basically said "some guy said such and such," and the infotainment, corporate, pundit filled media ran with it and spent hours covering the possibility, speculating, rambling on and on with no facts. If you watched the infotainment only you would find yourself thinking it actually happened, or was about to happen, or could've happened, or maybe almost happened, and such. The dry, boring, news wire story basically said someone said something and that nothing came of it (the story in fact did not come out until Saif was captured and there was video and photographic evidence showing he was captured, alive, and in good condition).

Looking at Libya, again, you saw that a lot of mainstream / infotainment reporters were stuck in the Rixos Hotel, and that the Libyan government at the time was tightly controlling the narrative. For weeks reports were extremely bizarre, verging on psychosis. Amanpour, for example, was parroting regime language until the end (and other "independent sources" which one might consider "more credible" were claiming nonsense right until they were evacuated from the Rixos). Meanwhile Sky News (an infotainment company) and Al Jazeera (who I consider more in line with independent media) were on the ground, and had a dramatically different story to tell. Totally and completely different story.

Then, you get reports from those who were forced to be in Rixos and when they actually sneak out to get stories from local people, it's parroted as pro-war propaganda or something, despite that, as human beings, these people self-admittedly felt imprisoned and just wanted to know what was real, from their point of view. They probably got it wrong in both instances, while being trapped they played along and regurgitated the states line, and when they got free they went overboard in a sort of resentful way. But, if you sit there and then bring together the sources, you will find yourself sitting somewhere close to the truth.

In that vein I don't think the media has ever been truly balanced. The "infotainment" industry has only emphasized just how out of wack the media can be. It's one reason I don't have cable or watch cable news, because it's just, highly irrational when you get down to it.

This, btw, also applies to the Iraq War. There were a handful, if that, of reporters living in and around Iraq when the invasion happened (Robert Fisk most notably). A mere handful. Either people didn't want the job, or the media companies didn't want to send anyone in there. Meanwhile the US government allowed the embedding of 50+ reporters in the invasion forces. Imagine that! Whichever side is going to have the best stories, and images, right? Talk about profit motive!

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About time. Half-decent apology. Robb Feb 2012 #1
You owe Nadin an apology me b zola Feb 2012 #3
You're joking, right? pintobean Feb 2012 #5
Thanks Nadin, it takes a big person to apologize for a mistake. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #20
"DU3 has become little more than a place for bullies to feel like big men." Kaleko Feb 2012 #43
+1 L0oniX Feb 2012 #84
Clever little back-handed compliment. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #40
Actually I was being generous. Robb Feb 2012 #58
Now, That's Crunchy... MineralMan Feb 2012 #2
Hopefully people would be more polite next time when a story seems questionable. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #6
I have worked most of my life as a professional journalist. MineralMan Feb 2012 #7
Actually I wasn't talking about you. Just pointing out that there are others who sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #8
But you were talking TO me. MineralMan Feb 2012 #9
I addressed your comment because you failed to note the behavior of others in Nadin's sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #12
You can address whatever it is you wish to address. MineralMan Feb 2012 #15
I don't understand why you feel targeted. You made a comment on a subject that was sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #17
No, you were taking me to task for what I did not write. MineralMan Feb 2012 #19
Taking you to task? A comment on an internet blog is not taking someone to task. It is sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #30
You got the last word. MineralMan Feb 2012 #36
Actually, her getting the last word, MM, would necessitate you shutting your trap. nt Bonobo Feb 2012 #71
That's not something I'm known for... MineralMan Feb 2012 #83
I thought Mineralman handled himself quite well in this thread Obama3_16 Feb 2012 #92
I thought it was instructive to see the assumption that having the last word is would be sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #93
MM, I just want you to know that we all saw what was posted and you are 100% correct Number23 Feb 2012 #55
"we all"?? You don't speak for me, let alone everyone here. n/t Kaleko Feb 2012 #62
Thanks for the needless response, but I was speaking to MM Number23 Feb 2012 #65
You really should pintobean Feb 2012 #37
Can you point where I do not hold myself to those standards? I am always willing to sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #45
Please see my post #43 above. Kaleko Feb 2012 #48
Interesting, thank you. Another interesting aspect of online bullying, which came up sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #50
+1 L0oniX Feb 2012 #86
Hopefully people will be more critical next time a story seems questionable. joshcryer Feb 2012 #66
There is a big difference between disinformation, which is a deliberate attempt to sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #67
There was a concerted disinformation effort displayed in that thread. joshcryer Feb 2012 #72
The call was for an end to bullying. I don't think that was meant to be a deflection of anything, sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #87
I don't think it was meant to deflect, but that was what it does. joshcryer Feb 2012 #96
Could you provide a little back story? Is there a link to a previous thread? myrna minx Feb 2012 #4
Good Lord... greytdemocrat Feb 2012 #11
The story of Jay Polk (from what I understand - correct if wrong) chrisa Feb 2012 #27
Wow. I feel left out of the loop. Courtesy Flush Feb 2012 #49
Thank you....missed the original thread and could make absolutely no sense of this thread Rowdyboy Feb 2012 #53
No harm done Aerows Feb 2012 #9
Are you sure? MineralMan Feb 2012 #13
Okay Aerows Feb 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Feb 2012 #31
Well, this settles it Aerows Feb 2012 #94
When the apology is sincere, MineralMan Feb 2012 #32
I think that is far from always true jsmirman Feb 2012 #51
Excellent post, thank you. The notion that there are any journalistic standards sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #54
Thank you for putting the conceit bandied about on this thread Kaleko Feb 2012 #59
I really am pretty infuriated with the death of journalistic standards jsmirman Feb 2012 #61
Right - and on the receiving end of that constant flood Kaleko Feb 2012 #64
Ha - there is something jsmirman Feb 2012 #68
Just a small note... ellisonz Feb 2012 #70
That is absolutely true jsmirman Feb 2012 #73
Journalism is a business at the core. ellisonz Feb 2012 #74
I hear you jsmirman Feb 2012 #77
I think the news wire in general, the dry, classic reporting, is still decent. joshcryer Feb 2012 #79
No - not the Mexico story jsmirman Feb 2012 #80
I'd call it entertainment masqueraiding as infoducation Aerows Feb 2012 #91
I retired from journalism in 2002. MineralMan Feb 2012 #85
You said it Aerows Feb 2012 #89
I'm not a journalist any longer. MineralMan Feb 2012 #95
I couldn't have said any of that better Aerows Feb 2012 #88
Well said. Brickbat Feb 2012 #29
Sometimes, it's impossible to rebuild. MineralMan Feb 2012 #34
Oh I wouldn't worry about that. Our 'journalists' who reported totally false imformation sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #41
Amen - please see above jsmirman Feb 2012 #52
I responded above, excellent post by you, thank you! n/t sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #60
Phil Donahue and Peter Arnett were ostracized. joshcryer Feb 2012 #69
Man jsmirman Feb 2012 #75
Fair enough, I should say I mean DU here, sorry. joshcryer Feb 2012 #76
Gotcha jsmirman Feb 2012 #78
I don't have the intention of going after DU members Aerows Feb 2012 #90
As a freelance reporter, I can only hope you get yourself some training and an editor who knows what Brickbat Feb 2012 #14
There you go. MineralMan Feb 2012 #16
isn't that the truth. Whisp Feb 2012 #28
I would disagree, I would say you have more to worry about from our so-called sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #47
K and R for the apology. zappaman Feb 2012 #18
You handled this with class. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #21
Can I have a link to the original? I missed this. AngryAmish Feb 2012 #22
I always miss stuff too.. SoCalDem Feb 2012 #56
Here. slutticus Feb 2012 #81
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #24
Stop...you're killing me. n/t greytdemocrat Feb 2012 #25
.... tishaLA Feb 2012 #26
Piling on after somebody is targeted for serial bullying and gloating... Kaleko Feb 2012 #46
You're still WAAAY more reputable than Drudge, Fox, Redstate. And WAAAY more classy. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #33
Those are not news sources. MineralMan Feb 2012 #35
True, but citizen journalists wouldn't link to a news source usually because... FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #39
A few citizen journalists do that. Most do not. MineralMan Feb 2012 #42
True, and thank you for pointing that out. Could also be said about the more 'respectable' sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #44
Handling a mistake with grace says more than making a mistake. We all make mistakes Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #38
Thanks for updating us on your discoveries. midnight Feb 2012 #57
Good for you, Nadin. polly7 Feb 2012 #63
You're apologizing "Just because I KNOW somebody will copy and paste" ??? N/T Marengo Feb 2012 #82
woopsie. lonestarnot Feb 2012 #97
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