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65. Just like with humans!

Fri May 10, 2013, 10:41 PM

May 2013

There is so much I could say, so much that is going on in my mind about this topic. About catching development when it is young, I mean. But OTOH, it's never too late for intelligent beings such as humans and primates and dogs, and other intelligent animals such as dolphins, etc. to change their behavior, to change their brain.

The brain is malleable and formative. I'm a middle aged woman and I am still learning new things. No actually, I am learning more now than than I was 2 or 3 years ago, and if someone tested my brain cells, I'm sure that would be confirmed.

Anyway, I wish we could have caught them earlier. I wish we could physically lift the sad, shivering, lonely, neglected puppy from the past, and give the dog a different future. Give them love and attention, and a positive upbringing, and they will amaze and delight and impress you.

Same goes for human children.

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We DID PITT BULLS BEFORE! [View all] KoKo May 2013 OP

Salon did a good piece on pits this week. PeaceNikki May 2013 #1

What a great article! Wait Wut May 2013 #3

I've had 2 and both were terrified of my cats. PeaceNikki May 2013 #5

Yep! Wait Wut May 2013 #11

You inspired me to dig up some old photos of Sam, the bestest doggie ever PeaceNikki May 2013 #16

He was gorgeous! Wait Wut May 2013 #18

Thanks. I miss him something awful. He was my first dog ever. And, to be honest, I was nervous based PeaceNikki May 2013 #20

I wish more people would do the research. Wait Wut May 2013 #27

I had a 93-pound pit bull. How would you want one that size on your lap? n/t RebelOne May 2013 #48

Holy cow! Wait Wut May 2013 #115

Or a beautiful warthog? randome May 2013 #117

^this Marrah_G May 2013 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Boudica the Lyoness May 2013 #69

Thanks...will check it out from Salon... KoKo May 2013 #4

And I thank you for that. PeaceNikki May 2013 #8

I'll tell you why Boudica the Lyoness May 2013 #70

prop.o.gan.da. PeaceNikki May 2013 #77

Hysterical misinformation like this CREATES the "dangerous dog" mystique baldguy May 2013 #120

You keep typing that and it doesn't make any more sense with each repetition XemaSab May 2013 #122

"Pit Bulls often attract the worst kind of dog owners." baldguy May 2013 #15

And DU totally confuses those shitty owners with those of us here who rescue them and give them PeaceNikki May 2013 #17

+10000 jazzimov May 2013 #61

Thank you. jazzimov May 2013 #60

I have three dogs. XemaSab May 2013 #62

And I have had 2 pit bull rescues. Both with kids and cats. PeaceNikki May 2013 #64

a newfie person! backwoodsbob May 2013 #86

Dog racism??? LittleBlue May 2013 #111

Pit bulls are too masculine? RobertEarl May 2013 #2

yep - tend to agree in general, but there are still those cases where DrDan May 2013 #6

Indeed. PeaceNikki May 2013 #9

Do you know who Trained or Owned the Pit Bulls you've come in contact with, though? KoKo May 2013 #10

Take Great Danes RobertEarl May 2013 #19

You're as ill-informed about Great Danes as you are about pits. nt Doremus May 2013 #38

What an interesting, albeit incorrect post about great danes AND pit bulls. flvegan May 2013 #51

i think you're wrong. DesertFlower May 2013 #22

if your Chihuahua could eat you it would. facts galileoreloaded May 2013 #7

Very Funny...it would take a lot of work...but I guess "Baby Death from Chihuahua" KoKo May 2013 #29

lol. its true though. they are animals. pure instinct. galileoreloaded May 2013 #33

Nah...unless they are "out on their own" they Love you because they Bond with You KoKo May 2013 #36

i respectfully disagree, but good interchange! nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #37

Then why does my dog love my 2-year old grandson SwissTony May 2013 #71

dogs, like people work on behavioral conditioning galileoreloaded May 2013 #73

Yeah. Right. SwissTony May 2013 #131

True. I have a Chihuahua and she is a mean little critter. RebelOne May 2013 #47

Chihuahua's run in packs Politicalboi May 2013 #154

Why not let the breed die out? Throd May 2013 #12

From the Salon article linked by PeaceNikki: baldguy May 2013 #21

It already is a crime to abuse dogs. Throd May 2013 #25

And the punishment is often equivalent to a slap on the wrist. baldguy May 2013 #34

No disagreement on those points. Throd May 2013 #42

I suspect that's why "pits" are blamed for a disproportionate number of attacks. SwissTony May 2013 #72

"Pit Bull" has become an imaginary breed based on looks & behavior DirkGently May 2013 #13

"Pit Bull's" get Eyeballs to News Sites....it's how it works... KoKo May 2013 #31

You have a link that says that cats don't kill millions of birds? XemaSab May 2013 #54

Some dogs are more territorial than others rrneck May 2013 #14

Of all the dogs I've been bit by... Archae May 2013 #23

I'm old enough to remember being terrified by German Shepherds...because of WWII KoKo May 2013 #39

Couldn't one say the same about semi-automatic assault rifles? n/t cigsandcoffee May 2013 #24

I'm just going to keep this in my clipboard... PeaceNikki May 2013 #26

Indeed - imagine how dangerous guns could be if they had a mind of their own. n/t cigsandcoffee May 2013 #28

All modern dogs were bred by humans for specific purposes. Throd May 2013 #30

lol's...got your point. n/t KoKo May 2013 #32

Pits were never bred to hurt people. PeaceNikki May 2013 #35

+1 KoKo May 2013 #43

This is why pit bulls kill people XemaSab May 2013 #50

Dogs kill humans when a *human* neglects and/or mistreats the dog. baldguy May 2013 #66

My two Pit Bulls are sweet as can be deacon2 May 2013 #40

The attacks we see in the news may or may not even involve pit bulls. smokey nj May 2013 #41

Obvious, but... this needs to be said! Quantess May 2013 #44

Agree...but, there's always an errant Socio/Pschopatic one..but, that's in us Humans, also. KoKo May 2013 #45

No, you just said it yourself... Quantess May 2013 #46

I've seen dogs be abused & mistreated for *years* baldguy May 2013 #49

Just like with humans! Quantess May 2013 #65

I think it's a mistake to demonize them and a mistake to not acknowledge that they can be dangerous. Marrah_G May 2013 #52

Who really gives a shit if they die out or not? randome May 2013 #55

What you write combined with your sig line make me laugh out loud. The irony. nt uppityperson May 2013 #57

How am I being ironic? randome May 2013 #58

"Who gives a shit if a dog dies out. Stop looking for heroes. BE one." uppityperson May 2013 #59

Glad I could make you chuckle. randome May 2013 #63

Baloney. Did Rachel Ray try to create a vicious dog? Nine May 2013 #56

And DogsBite.org makes money from creating anti-Pit Bull hype. baldguy May 2013 #67

DogsBite.org makes money? Please explain what you mean by this. Nine May 2013 #74

DogsBite.org is a scam. It's run by one person named Colleen Lynn, and she makes her money baldguy May 2013 #79

What "victim's fund" are you talking about? Nine May 2013 #81

They have been exposed as frauds by dozens of ACTUAL experts. PeaceNikki May 2013 #82

All that link says is that some groups have opposing views. Nine May 2013 #84

You didn't read it. Try again. PeaceNikki May 2013 #88

The money goes in Colleen Lynn's pocket. baldguy May 2013 #83

Again, what the heck are you talking about? (nt) Nine May 2013 #85

What can you not understand? DogsBite is a scam. baldguy May 2013 #92

That's not true. Nine May 2013 #93

DogsBite.org is not truthful. It promotes genocide & sensationalizes vary rare events baldguy May 2013 #96

So are you finally backing off your accusation that they steal money from victims? Nine May 2013 #98

There is no "they" at DogsBite. SHE dosn't steal money directly from victims - I never said she did. baldguy May 2013 #103

Really? Genocide? Anyone trying to eliminate the 'race' of dogs? randome May 2013 #106

Like with most everything else, Americans are too fucking stupid and emotional to do the right thing whatchamacallit May 2013 #68

Great info! Thanks! randome May 2013 #75

The blog you lifted that from (unattributed, I'll add) is out of date and not telling whole picture. PeaceNikki May 2013 #76

The PR governor vetoed a bill to overturn the ban in 2010. randome May 2013 #87

Show me data that BSL works. PeaceNikki May 2013 #89

Well, I suppose it's axiomatic that banning breeds considered dangerous... randome May 2013 #94

I have an aversion to legislation based on bullshit propaganda. A breed-neutral approach is the way PeaceNikki May 2013 #97

No, I think you have much more invested in this than bureaucratic deportment. randome May 2013 #101

I told you why I care. I posted the ASPCA analysis on BSL. IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK. PeaceNikki May 2013 #102

Speed limit laws largely don't work, either. randome May 2013 #104

You missed a WHOLE lot of the ASPCA analysis. PeaceNikki May 2013 #105

I get your point of view. Really. randome May 2013 #107

So, you disagree with the ASPCA baldguy May 2013 #116

What I disagreed with was the ludicrous notion that it takes fewer resources... randome May 2013 #119

Enforcing laws that work takes fewer resources than trying to enforce laws that don't work. baldguy May 2013 #121

Are you saying that banning doesn't work? randome May 2013 #124

So, your premise is... 99Forever May 2013 #78

Were Pit Bulls originally bred to fight? Sure. 200 yrs ago. baldguy May 2013 #91

What are you claiming - that all these breeds can just "turn off" their instincts? Nine May 2013 #100

That's a lot of words, just to say... 99Forever May 2013 #108

You're trying to claim that breed is everything for a dog. baldguy May 2013 #109

Don't tell me what I'm "claiming"... 99Forever May 2013 #113

You're arguing with your own argument. baldguy May 2013 #118

You love those strawmen, doncha? 99Forever May 2013 #123

You do realize the entire case you're supporting against Pit Bulls is a straw man argument, right? baldguy May 2013 #129

Education is a good thing. 99Forever May 2013 #125

And what do you think that proves? baldguy May 2013 #130

What it "proves" is that... 99Forever May 2013 #133

And if the genes just don't exist in an animals genome? What then? baldguy May 2013 #136

So close. Nine May 2013 #128

Who is Alexandra Semyonova? baldguy May 2013 #134

Semyonova is 100% AGAINST dominance theory. Nine May 2013 #138

You didn't bother to read your own links, did you? baldguy May 2013 #139

Do you have any arguments other than personal attacks on those you disagree with? Nine May 2013 #140

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Think about this. Nine May 2013 #146

you're awesome declanthope Aug 2016 #160

Confusion declanthope Aug 2016 #159

There's a reason why they're named pit bulls. ozone_man May 2013 #112

There is a reason for this bumper sticker I saw on the back of a pickup truck, too: Pit Bull Inside. randome May 2013 #135

Here is the thing iwillalwayswonderwhy May 2013 #80

Do you do that upon seeing anyone with any large breed? baldguy May 2013 #90

This is what pit bull attacks look like. Nine May 2013 #95

Can you find photos of the people injured/killed recently by PeaceNikki May 2013 #99

try again Nine May 2013 #127

An elderly neighbor always carried a golf club while walking his elderly Lab FarCenter May 2013 #110

I would think it depends on how hard they hit. randome May 2013 #114

English sheep dogs may die as a breed because they are no longer popular. snagglepuss May 2013 #126

i think that there should be some screening before inexperienced dog owners La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #132

It is real simple. Take away the pit bull and it is replaced Rex May 2013 #137

What I can't stand are the pit bulls breastfeeding at Olive Garden. kwassa May 2013 #141

You pit bull breastfeeding Olive Garden hater! cynatnite May 2013 #143

Yeah, yeah, I know ... kwassa May 2013 #147

I knew a dog trainer gejohnston May 2013 #145

Going to be hated for this but no pit bulls - and yes, it does seem to be a problem with the BREED, MillennialDem May 2013 #148

Projected perception based on the experience with one. flvegan May 2013 #149

Well, if you're worried about voting to ban your little snowflake, don't worry about it MillennialDem May 2013 #150

Worried, me? Never. flvegan May 2013 #151

Don't put words in my mouth or mock me clown. MillennialDem May 2013 #152

Clown? Interesting. flvegan May 2013 #155

Nowhere does your post specify the forum as a whole rather than me. And aggressive? Project much? MillennialDem May 2013 #156

Thank you. flvegan May 2013 #157

I lived in a house with Rotties Politicalboi May 2013 #153

Why are Pitt Bulls Blamed for EVERYTHING dogs do? KoKo May 2013 #158