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bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
42. So... when the fuck will someone...
Sat May 11, 2013, 10:34 AM
May 2013

propose a law that will slow this down? An AWB won't do it. Background checks won't do it. Short of banning all guns (which I know some here advocate), you know what would severely retard this rate?

Safe storage for homes with children.

Gun locks are already available for every gun sold by a dealer in New York (most have a box of the trigger locks and a box of the cable locks). Every police station in my area has a box of cable locks for whoever wants them. Most manufacturers include them at no cost (and some, like S&W and Remington, often build them into the gun). Gun safes start at $100 for a metal cabinet with a key lock on up to the $20,000 big fireproof safes that make most banks look lax.

Fuck biometrics or other "smart" guns -- a $1 lock is more than adequate except for the most-determined, oh, and it ain't got no batteries to die on you.

You have a kid? Lock it up. Your grand kids come over for the weekend? Lock it up. Failure to do so is a felony.

There. Your accident is more than halved, and the homicides (if stored in a safe) will also go down.

And for the car crowd: Who gives a shit if the murder and accident rates are down. So are the rates for cars. Does that mean we're going to stop trying to get either of them lower?

EDIT: We can start with this: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hr1883/text

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3 kids were killed by lawn darts and they banned them Botany May 2013 #1
unfortunately Duckhunter935 May 2013 #3
You have not read it closely enough. IveWornAHundredPants May 2013 #4
You don't understand it. rl6214 May 2013 #98
These gun nuts have so abused the 2nd amendment it is not funny Botany May 2013 #5
The 2nd was ratified in 1791. The National Guard was formed in 1930. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #243
And is not the national guard a well regulated malitia? Botany May 2013 #247
The Guard occupies a dual role sarisataka May 2013 #248
No, it is not. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #249
2nd Amendment Apologists Roy Rolling May 2013 #8
We've come a long way from quill and parchment since 1776 as well. LAGC May 2013 #10
The main impediment is political, not legal. DanTex May 2013 #12
So you would claim that we can do nothing to keep guns away from 7 year olds? mbperrin May 2013 #182
Absolutely we can do stuff to keep guns away from kids. LAGC May 2013 #198
Well, here are some ideas I've been pushing. I personally think that every round should be marked, mbperrin May 2013 #199
First off.. TnDem May 2013 #202
I mentioned that online sales will probably have to cease. mbperrin May 2013 #217
let me get this straight Duckhunter935 May 2013 #227
No need to take in existing to have it marked. Manufacturers will mark new ammo. mbperrin May 2013 #229
Misunderstanding TnDem May 2013 #237
Apparently you have no idea where west Texas is, where I was raised and live still. mbperrin May 2013 #242
The Obama admin already backed away from shredding military brass AtheistCrusader May 2013 #263
One in the future. mbperrin May 2013 #283
Microstamping shell casing works. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #260
Someday will come faster if we mandate it. mbperrin May 2013 #262
If I could speculate on a solution... AtheistCrusader May 2013 #264
A challenge for others, of course. As a true believer, I don't worry about it. mbperrin May 2013 #284
Add two decimal places. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #258
Nah, that number is too big. mbperrin May 2013 #261
That's just part of the market. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #266
I'm counting on shady people not using their surplus. Gets them into the system faster than it would mbperrin May 2013 #285
And you wonder why getting gun control laws passed in this country is so hard? premium May 2013 #209
Nah, these are my reasonable proposals. mbperrin May 2013 #218
I rest my case. premium May 2013 #220
Ballistic fingerprinting doesn't work. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #245
One's good enough for me. Everyone always says life is priceless, then they back up when it costs mbperrin May 2013 #250
A good way to run out of public resources. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #257
Public resources are where we find them. mbperrin May 2013 #259
I thought universal back ground checks was reasonable BobbyBoring May 2013 #232
Background checks TnDem May 2013 #236
Uh Oh. Big mean DiFi wants to ban assault weapons?!? Meanwhile, in other news.... jmg257 May 2013 #274
Actually, there's a lot we HAVE done, and yes, more we can legally do within the constraints of the AtheistCrusader May 2013 #244
I agree. We have done a lot. mbperrin May 2013 #251
A 1776 musket was state of the art in 1776 rl6214 May 2013 #99
Again, gun nut, that pesky 2nd amendment calls for a well-regulated militia. Where is that again? Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #16
Do some research rl6214 May 2013 #100
Except it does nothing of the sort. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #279
However you read it, Constitution does not require gun cultists to arm up & spread their gun love. Hoyt May 2013 #52
I note that gunners like to use the term "pesky." It is not "pesky." CTyankee May 2013 #148
Name calling Duckhunter935 May 2013 #151
It is how I feel about the 2nd A. And, IMO, it has been interpreted in the worst possible CTyankee May 2013 #152
If you say it that way Duckhunter935 May 2013 #156
You probably wouldn't like what regulations Norway has in place, tho. CTyankee May 2013 #163
Would not be my first choice Duckhunter935 May 2013 #164
Well, I am just pointing out the experience of a country that doesn't ban, but heavily CTyankee May 2013 #166
It is also a smaller Duckhunter935 May 2013 #169
"different culture"? Their "gun culture" is different, yes. CTyankee May 2013 #171
I have a set of those, WITH the spikes still on them. JesterCS May 2013 #114
My next door neighbors had them ..... Botany May 2013 #128
It is your perspective... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #189
Doesn't make any sense does it? Rex May 2013 #158
sacrifices on the alter of 2A KG May 2013 #2
Cars kill a lot more kids than guns. There's about as many cars as gun in the US. marble falls May 2013 #6
But cars also provide immense benefits to society. DanTex May 2013 #7
Well, then, lets have some car control..... marble falls May 2013 #9
We have car control. DanTex May 2013 #11
In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, killing 32,885 and injuring 2,239,000.[1].... marble falls May 2013 #13
And we have about the same number of gun deaths. DanTex May 2013 #15
Wrong ... marble falls May 2013 #19
Don't get me wrong, but you claim to want Robb May 2013 #25
I want a mandatory national registration for firearms and a mandatory background check for ... marble falls May 2013 #37
how many of those deaths results in a car driven massacre at a school, movie theater Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #28
You might be sick of it, but the facts remain. I'm plain old sick and tired of the NRA.... marble falls May 2013 #41
LOL. So you're saying 31,000 is not "about the same" as 33,000? Really? DanTex May 2013 #40
Try again: marble falls May 2013 #46
Still dodging! Costs versus benefits. What are the benefits of guns? DanTex May 2013 #47
I want to be sure this is how you are framing the question: marble falls May 2013 #50
Still dodging. What are the benefits of guns to society? DanTex May 2013 #53
You are getting way off the topic. Frankly I don't see all the wonderfull benefits .... marble falls May 2013 #62
No, you are getting off topic. The topic is a cost-benefit analysis of guns in our society. DanTex May 2013 #63
Your inability to deal with the facts is epidomy of the gun nut and the gun ban debate... marble falls May 2013 #67
Yet another dodge. Also, it's spelled "epitome". DanTex May 2013 #68
Correct spelling. The last refuge of someone losing the debate. marble falls May 2013 #72
Dodge. What. Are. The. Benefits? DanTex May 2013 #82
Why are you trying to turn the topic? Which is the children and how we can save them. marble falls May 2013 #144
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #200
You just switched from deaths to injuries. mbperrin May 2013 #184
Go to the links and read them. We both trust the sources I use, right?.... marble falls May 2013 #211
People recover from injuries. Death is final. mbperrin May 2013 #219
Most Americans live all their lives without needing a gun mainer May 2013 #223
Hey, I ride my horse when I have to go into town, premium May 2013 #224
Thank you. mbperrin May 2013 #252
If ONE doesn't matter, than neither do 2.3 million nor 73,505. nt patrice May 2013 #225
I consider crime deterrence and self defense to be benefits. geckosfeet May 2013 #48
Yeah, there're statistics on that too. Progressive dog May 2013 #215
There is a much greater probability that someone in an automobile will be injured in a car accident. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #222
So what, cars have an actual reason to exist Progressive dog May 2013 #226
Firearms legitimately exist to deter crime, for self-defense, and other purposes. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #228
That's what we have police for Progressive dog May 2013 #231
The police did their job. They investigated and found that self-defense justified the shooting. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #239
My choice. geckosfeet May 2013 #230
Yes, 43 TIMES more likely to be hurt or killed by a gun if you have mbperrin May 2013 #253
You are misquoting the Kellerman study. ManiacJoe May 2013 #267
Okay, so 43 times more likely to hurt your family than a criminal. mbperrin May 2013 #286
Still wrong. Read it again. ManiacJoe May 2013 #290
No, anyone shot with your gun in your house is 43 times more likely to be a family member mbperrin May 2013 #291
You need some help with reading comprehension. ManiacJoe May 2013 #292
So yes, having a gun in the house makes it more likely that a family member will be killed mbperrin May 2013 #293
Close, but not quite. ManiacJoe May 2013 #294
Rules are great. Buncha people don't follow them. mbperrin May 2013 #295
These are, of course, benefits. But unfortunately for some, logic is not a strong point. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #221
The gun nuts wouldn't know what logic is Progressive dog May 2013 #233
For some, logic is not a strong point but name-calling is. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #241
We do have car control. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #140
Oh, so as long as its good for the economy rl6214 May 2013 #101
There are costs and benefits that need to be weighed against each other. DanTex May 2013 #103
Nope, you just don't care about the children rl6214 May 2013 #111
We have car control in fact we have lots of it. Arcanetrance May 2013 #56
And with all that marvolous tech they still kill and injure 2.5 million a year.... marble falls May 2013 #70
Forgive me I'm not trying to call you a liar but I have my doubts that there are as many guns in Arcanetrance May 2013 #74
Wanna bet????? marble falls May 2013 #78
I do apologize if you thought I was calling you a liar. My point wording that is I didn't want Arcanetrance May 2013 #83
Its the same as when gun nuts and gold sellers appeal to the sense ... marble falls May 2013 #88
I have no delusions that every person with a gun is waiting to shoot up children Arcanetrance May 2013 #92
You and I agree pretty much. I never thought of periodic re-registration, but it works for me... marble falls May 2013 #105
Consider this then.... TnDem May 2013 #203
Estimate of firearms in the U.S. premium May 2013 #79
Go to the link. Registered vehicles in the US. Inconvenient fact, eh?.... marble falls May 2013 #87
Re-read what I wrote, premium May 2013 #96
"registered vehicles" out number guns. What's so hard about that?...... marble falls May 2013 #109
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree about the number of households premium May 2013 #116
We agree pretty much. It not that I trust Uncle, I don't trust the kind of .... marble falls May 2013 #120
Now that I agree with premium May 2013 #121
West Texas and I believe Wyoming and Montana have 80+ spd limits rl6214 May 2013 #106
There's a couple sections of I-15 through Utah premium May 2013 #108
There are a few places in west Texas which have a speed limit of 80, and one mbperrin May 2013 #185
I have seen 85 speed limit in Utah. n/t. airplaneman May 2013 #123
But there are still thousands of dead kids per year krispos42 May 2013 #20
Somebody thinks your reply is from the NRA Propaganda 101 book. ~sigh~ NYC_SKP May 2013 #23
And Shotgun Skip, right on cue. Robb May 2013 #29
I never actually bought any guns, Robb. And if you had been paying attention... NYC_SKP May 2013 #32
NRA is that way. Please give my regards to Wayne LaPierre Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #34
DU is home to many supporters of the RKBA and always will be. We aren't going anywhere. (nt) NYC_SKP May 2013 #36
God forbid someone is your family is a victim of gun violence Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #38
Someone in my family was a victim of gun violence, premium May 2013 #102
"Its just a tool" ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #142
I don't care if you think it's bullshit, premium May 2013 #143
Oh yeah? ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #145
Whatever, premium May 2013 #208
I still don't get this... Pelican May 2013 #201
Same old bullshit. I'm still amazed you didn't get banned Robb May 2013 #60
You were a mod, you should know better. NYC_SKP May 2013 #71
Again, horseshit. Robb May 2013 #90
you should have been banned for posting gun porn in GD less than 48 hours after Newtown CreekDog May 2013 #269
My browser history goes back to August 8th, 2011 krispos42 May 2013 #192
Jury results: NYC_SKP May 2013 #194
Limiting cars to 20 mph would be a huge drain on the economy. DanTex May 2013 #31
It would slow the economy, not end it. NYC_SKP May 2013 #33
It would be a catastrophic disruption, greater than, for example, the financial crisis. DanTex May 2013 #39
Please explain: sarisataka May 2013 #64
Limiting cars to 20 mph would sink the economy. DanTex May 2013 #66
I can see the economy taking a hit sarisataka May 2013 #73
20 mph speed limit would result in severe economic damage. DanTex May 2013 #86
I believe excessive speed is one of sarisataka May 2013 #93
That is true. DanTex May 2013 #95
The cost benefit is near impossible to determine sarisataka May 2013 #104
Well, all cost/benefit analyses are tricky. DanTex May 2013 #107
I think Duckhunter935 May 2013 #81
And thus the false choice you present krispos42 May 2013 #195
Okay, that's funny. nt rrneck May 2013 #43
And yet, like the rest of the NRAers, you have no response. DanTex May 2013 #45
Okay... rrneck May 2013 #49
Is that graph supposed to represent the benefits of guns to society? DanTex May 2013 #51
Are you sure you're on the right board? rrneck May 2013 #54
So you're going to dodge the question about the benefits of guns to society. DanTex May 2013 #57
Hunting and self protection. But what does it matter, things don't have to have a benefit The Straight Story May 2013 #76
Hunting, yes. There's also recreation. Self-protection with a gun is extremely rare. DanTex May 2013 #85
So much bullshit your eyes are brown Uzair May 2013 #160
I apologize rrneck May 2013 #89
More dodging. My guess is, you understand that the costs of guns greatly outweigh the benefits DanTex May 2013 #91
LOL! rrneck May 2013 #94
Dodge again. DanTex May 2013 #97
Practice on those heels before you get on the catwalk. rrneck May 2013 #113
Why the dodging? Why not just answer the question? DanTex May 2013 #115
Hmmm. Ok. I will try to answer The Straight Story May 2013 #135
That's a fair answer. DanTex May 2013 #141
Ok The Straight Story May 2013 #147
OK. DanTex May 2013 #150
Of course you're right there. rrneck May 2013 #149
OK DanTex May 2013 #157
Ah, another dodge. rrneck May 2013 #165
It's clear anti-intellectualism. DanTex May 2013 #176
Ooh. Another turn. Cute. rrneck May 2013 #187
Wow. Yet, there are regulations over cars, registration, licensing, insurance mandates Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #18
They will now deny NRA talking points exist. Robb May 2013 #24
Found an example of the "mythical" talking points list by the way... Pholus May 2013 #206
Wayne LaPierre also has a book... Pholus May 2013 #207
NO kidding. laundry_queen May 2013 #26
trigger locks, but that's not a standard feature of gun. Also the safety feature Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #30
not Duckhunter935 May 2013 #84
Those mandates you refer to are generally for public usage, not for ownership... beevul May 2013 #196
What a really dumb comparison. And I am a gun owner. Wow. You do not help. n-t Logical May 2013 #44
Every time the argument about guns vs cars comes up I think that guns were invented to kill (wars), AlinPA May 2013 #168
Well, guns were *invented* to knock down walls Recursion May 2013 #265
So kids killed by guns don't count? mbperrin May 2013 #183
How long would you survive if all guns disappeared right now? Orrex May 2013 #188
How long would I survive if *all* guns (including police) disappeared? Probably not very long Recursion May 2013 #268
Way to miss the point. Orrex May 2013 #272
You have no idea who I am or what my fantasies are Recursion May 2013 #273
I was addressing fantasies commonly articulated by gun advocates. Orrex May 2013 #275
Ah, fair enough, and I grant that Recursion May 2013 #276
The "cars" thing is a pointless deflection. Why would those statistics matter? Dash87 May 2013 #256
we do-it's called regulations sigmasix May 2013 #270
K&R abelenkpe May 2013 #14
Comparing gun deaths to lawn darts, cars, swimming pools et al, is STUPID, and so are gun nuts. mountain grammy May 2013 #17
+1000 GCP May 2013 #21
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #35
An acceptable number to the gunfuckers. Iggo May 2013 #22
wow Abortion bad bad bad but oldandhappy May 2013 #27
So... when the fuck will someone... bobclark86 May 2013 #42
I strongly agree. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #280
Dia de los Muertos Generic Other May 2013 #55
Well, er, um.... Deep13 May 2013 #58
So tragic. I hate guns. smirkymonkey May 2013 #59
And this is why we need more Stand Your Ground laws. If these kids had been armed.... Bucky May 2013 #61
Piffle. billh58 May 2013 #65
Not one thing about those Folks who had that Gun in hand and pulling the trigger DreamSmoker May 2013 #69
More kids were hurt and killed by fire: marble falls May 2013 #75
never saw a lobby (lobbying) that advocated against fire safety laws bigtree May 2013 #77
As a fire ratedwindow designer(first engineered 1hr rated fire window) and former... marble falls May 2013 #80
The only function of a gun is to kill GCP May 2013 #110
Not true. And are you vegitarian? Do cops carry a gun to kill or intimidate? marble falls May 2013 #112
Well, they might make an unusually-shaped paper-weight GCP May 2013 #117
Target shooting, wall hanger, collection ..... marble falls May 2013 #118
Are you serious? billh58 May 2013 #119
All animals offered as food are killed. So if all killing is bad .... marble falls May 2013 #122
Nice side step. billh58 May 2013 #127
I'm a hunter and unlike you I'm niether coy nor squeemish about killing. I say the biggest ... marble falls May 2013 #133
My, how manly billh58 May 2013 #136
Shame on you. Can't think of anything to say pertinent to the topic? marble falls May 2013 #137
You're cute. n/t billh58 May 2013 #139
Ah but you're cuter. marble falls May 2013 #170
I know. billh58 May 2013 #173
No one is taking your hunting riffle. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #146
these hunting rifles will be banned "All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15" Duckhunter935 May 2013 #154
I'm not worried. But the fact is more people are bludgeoned to death than are killed... marble falls May 2013 #175
Those aren't really hunting rifles. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #178
the Duckhunter935 May 2013 #180
You're wrong about cops being trained to kill, premium May 2013 #124
Cops are NOT billh58 May 2013 #125
That's right, and that's NOT what I said, premium May 2013 #126
The assertion that billh58 May 2013 #129
You're right, premium May 2013 #130
I misstated billh58 May 2013 #131
I agree, premium May 2013 #132
I'm assuming that you're billh58 May 2013 #134
Yep, premium May 2013 #138
As if the gun nuts in here care Uzair May 2013 #153
I do not know what a gun nut is Duckhunter935 May 2013 #159
So you support Canadian or Japanese style gun laws? Uzair May 2013 #162
As I have stated many times before Duckhunter935 May 2013 #167
So no, then Uzair May 2013 #174
Yes I can Duckhunter935 May 2013 #177
Ya know, premium May 2013 #212
Pathetic Uzair May 2013 #214
There is a problem, premium May 2013 #216
Unfortunately the gun nuts were out in full force Progressive dog May 2013 #155
this name calling Duckhunter935 May 2013 #161
Don't you think that billh58 May 2013 #172
I have been around a long time Duckhunter935 May 2013 #179
You're not alone with such experience. I asked one question and was promptly banned. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #240
Good call, re: opening GD to gun discussions. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #281
What doesn't the name calling help? Progressive dog May 2013 #186
Tragic, but that's a surprisingly small number. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #181
Small....fascinating. So what number would concern you? Pholus May 2013 #204
I think that's a different question... Demo_Chris May 2013 #213
Wishy washy. I asked for your personal number. nt Pholus May 2013 #234
42 precisely. No more or less. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #235
Way to avoid committing yourself! Had that one anticipated.... nt Pholus May 2013 #238
Sorry, but it's a silly question.... Demo_Chris May 2013 #246
Silly is when you used the words "surprisingly small." Pholus May 2013 #278
One death per MILLION children is quite small given all the noise about it here Demo_Chris May 2013 #282
Actually, we are now discussing innumeracy. Yours. Among other failings. Pholus May 2013 #289
It's a surprisingly large number when you compare it to the rest of the first world Hippo_Tron May 2013 #287
I have my own theories about why this is so, but guns are not at the heart of any of them. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #288
Rec'ing for exposure... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #190
Disturbing comments from Huffpo story of 7 year old shot by his 5 year old brother: freshwest May 2013 #191
. blkmusclmachine May 2013 #193
Bump n/t Tx4obama May 2013 #197
I can finally quantify crazy.... Pholus May 2013 #205
71+ cases of firearms being misused. ileus May 2013 #210
Yours is a very peculiar posting. IveWornAHundredPants May 2013 #254
Dead children are a small price to pay Hugabear May 2013 #255
Neglect JustAnotherGen May 2013 #271
Guns don't kill kids, kids with guns kill kids liberal N proud May 2013 #277
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