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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] devilgrrl May 2013 OP

What is your home state? MADem May 2013 #1

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Whatever you do, don't wait until the end of the fiscal year--they'll hit you twice if you are MADem May 2013 #17

Health insurance today is like "protection money" - you're not really protected. canoeist52 May 2013 #2

I'm not sure what you're asking RILib May 2013 #3

It's likely SoCalNative May 2013 #15

I was confused at first. BlueCheese May 2013 #24

Does it matter? In fact your very questions show the enormous problems with a Health Care sabrina 1 May 2013 #30

Good post. NCTraveler May 2013 #60

If countries like Great Britain can OwnedByCats May 2013 #100

Agreement all around here.... geckosfeet May 2013 #127

That's how I see it as well. JEB May 2013 #128

Thank you, JEB. I appreciate very much your good wishes. sabrina 1 May 2013 #156

What would it have cost you if you didn't have insurance? lamp_shade May 2013 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #7

It gets you a "discount." silverweb May 2013 #6

People who think PROpaganda makes SENSE like it, though. Occulus May 2013 #20

! OnyxCollie May 2013 #33

I get your response, but... I'm not laughing. Occulus May 2013 #34

What I thought was funny OnyxCollie May 2013 #48

I think both you and Occulus are quite clever dflprincess May 2013 #104

That's an excellent point, and I think many here have noticed the Marr May 2013 #135

The information may be presented PROfessionally, Art_from_Ark May 2013 #165

PROpaganda makes SENSE!!! I love it!!!! grahamhgreen May 2013 #39

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit May 2013 #148

+ 1 brazillion Myrina May 2013 #43

I was clear as to why two posts later, in my next response Occulus May 2013 #45

A conglomerate of think tank hookers. grahamhgreen May 2013 #158

+1 HiPointDem May 2013 #8

Somebody's gotta make money somewhere... KansDem May 2013 #9

CA Dept. of Health Care Services may have some leads / info for you - pinto May 2013 #10

I had a failed surgery 20 years ago that at the time was covered by my parent's insurance. tridim May 2013 #11

You should check out Thailand taught_me_patience May 2013 #93

Surgery should be covered in 2014. Caps, not likely. Hoyt May 2013 #110

Call the hospital's Social Services Department alfie May 2013 #12

Probably not. I don't know of any such thing. MineralMan May 2013 #13

A dollar is too much to pay to get a working knee Occulus May 2013 #23

Actually, not. Ms. Toad May 2013 #76

Adjusted for inflation, not so Yo_Mama May 2013 #92

I see the results of the under and un-insured daily, hobbling. That's the result. freshwest May 2013 #28

You realize that to some people, $3000 is an astronomical Flatulo May 2013 #46

Of course. I do not have it. MineralMan May 2013 #47

Aren't you a font of compassion! rusty fender May 2013 #50

No. I'm a pragmatist. MineralMan May 2013 #51

Actually, that's a destructive and harmful psychological technique called "minimizing" Occulus May 2013 #66

I see. You have misread my reply, then. MineralMan May 2013 #67

No, I recognize it for what it is. Broadly speaking, it's termed "invalidation". Occulus May 2013 #68

You're wrong. But that is your opinion and you're entitled to it. MineralMan May 2013 #70

No, actually, I am not wrong. Occulus May 2013 #71

So then Newest Reality May 2013 #83

That's one of the points of the material, yes. Occulus May 2013 #84

That's a lot of fancy talk to explain a jag-off statement dropped in a thread. Hassin Bin Sober May 2013 #125

Thank you so much for putting this into words. canoeist52 May 2013 #140

Not too long ago he talked about having to borrow a couple hundred dollars to have... Hassin Bin Sober May 2013 #123

I understand you a lot better after reading this post. nt. NCTraveler May 2013 #62

$3K is a lot if you don't have it dflprincess May 2013 #99

Yes, it is a lot. I don't have that much on hand, either. MineralMan May 2013 #119

You don't know? Marr May 2013 #136

I don't know if there's a program where the OP is that MineralMan May 2013 #145

How bad is your knee? voteearlyvoteoften May 2013 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #31

Just something to look into... Melissa G May 2013 #49

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Make sure you get a talented doctor. Melissa G May 2013 #63

The procedure is actually kinda interesting. Puglover May 2013 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #59

Swear to God. Puglover May 2013 #90

What's the point in having surgery if you're the same without it? postulater May 2013 #16

Um, yeah, a competent clinic will not recommend surgery for knee arthritis. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #65

The point is for you to be required to keep propping up corporate thieves. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #18

With long lists of blue links, because PROpaganda makes SENSE. Occulus May 2013 #25

Naw, Not ban. Just giving you more rope... BlueCaliDem May 2013 #80

Lack of insurance/insurance shenanigans were killing people before - haele May 2013 #27

We were already spending enough per American to have top flight health care for everyone Fumesucker May 2013 #29

I know - Before wasn't "better" and was untenable, but now is not good enough and more expensive. haele May 2013 #32

Do they use cannabis? They don't have to smoke it and it may help. Occulus May 2013 #36

Who would you rather have pay for it? It is your knee. cbdo2007 May 2013 #19

The insurance company to whom the OP is likely paying a hefty premium? Fumesucker May 2013 #21

The taxpayers buying weapons and vehicles the military SAYS it doesn't want or need? Occulus May 2013 #37

Why are you posting here? ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #152

HAHAAHHAHAHA cbdo2007 May 2013 #159

The Culprit Is For Profit health Care colsohlibgal May 2013 #22

Profit for shareholders and sky-high salaries for executives Cal Carpenter May 2013 #26

Did you go to an emergency room? JDPriestly May 2013 #35

To make money for Wall St investors. It hurts the shareholder when you are treated like a person. raouldukelives May 2013 #38

No kidding. Every year I have to fork out more and more money smirkymonkey May 2013 #40

Medicare For All. Where is the FIX for Obamacare we were promised when it passed???? grahamhgreen May 2013 #41

First it has to be fully enacted. Another year and a half before that happens. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #87

A suggestion cyclezealot May 2013 #42

How's this for another thing to bitch about matt819 May 2013 #44

None, whatsoever. Cleita May 2013 #52

I lived without insurance for decades csziggy May 2013 #105

In 1991, I spent two weeks in a hospital, part of it in a coma. MineralMan May 2013 #53

I agree, doctors make far too much money.There are 1000s of drs in other countries that graham4anything May 2013 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #58

No it wasn't. Healthcare starts and ends with doctors. graham4anything May 2013 #124

What an odd position. Xithras May 2013 #64

1000s of doctors that are just as good at knee surgery? link? eom yawnmaster May 2013 #74

Uh, yeah, try again. (nt) Posteritatis May 2013 #81

What??? Are you living in your own world while ignoring what happens under a ... slipslidingaway May 2013 #96

It's not the doctors it's creeps like the CEO at UnitedHealth Group dflprincess May 2013 #101

Without a doctor there would be no insurance companies. Without a teacher, no doctor graham4anything May 2013 #122

"OR a doctor could accept something other than money for services(barter). " Puglover May 2013 #129

Doctors are rich. A doctor needs a car mechanic, needs a plumber, needs whatever graham4anything May 2013 #130

answer #2-I bet 1000s of the richest doctors would quit if there was a limit they could charge graham4anything May 2013 #131

BTW-a football team owner makes more than the quarterback who makes more than a defensive back graham4anything May 2013 #133

Doctors are not the problem generally OwnedByCats May 2013 #114

I had my knee scoped in the States. Puglover May 2013 #55

I see according to your profile info, that you live roughly truedelphi May 2013 #94

Yep. Puglover May 2013 #118

Actually i rather prefer that the RW A-holes truedelphi May 2013 #146

My Aunt and Uncle are both retired federal employees abelenkpe May 2013 #57

They don't get Medicare? nt Honeycombe8 May 2013 #88

I'll ask abelenkpe May 2013 #91

Should the doctor work 100% for free? If one wants free, then the doctor should be free graham4anything May 2013 #132

Who said anything about expecting doctors to work for free? abelenkpe May 2013 #138

starting last month, for 2013-14, thanks to President Obama, I have saved $19,200 in premiums graham4anything May 2013 #139

Can you do me a favor? abelenkpe May 2013 #143

The point? To keep insurance companies profitable. LWolf May 2013 #69

It seems. n/r Cleita May 2013 #108

Insurance companies should be eliminated and replaced by national health care--not insurance. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author BOG PERSON May 2013 #82

Making a small comment so I can get back to this truedelphi May 2013 #73

I suspect they are right. With insurance a bill I got was 3800, and I needed to pay 800 of that still_one May 2013 #85

$3000.00 is what percentage of the total? Did you have to pay that total, or just the $3K? bike man May 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #77

I am old, and have noticed a trend. When I was a child a tooth filling cost $5. morningglory May 2013 #78

I noticed that, too. Dental ins. is a fairly recent thing. I held out for a long time. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #89

I had dental insurance from 1978 - 1989, and again from 1998 - 2000. Ms. Toad May 2013 #97

Maybe in your area it's been around. Dental ins. here (dallas) started in a big way... Honeycombe8 May 2013 #112

Around here there are dentists who accept insurance - Ms. Toad May 2013 #113

Oh, now you've reminded me. That's it! Not many Dentists would TAKE ins. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #116

My spouse is happy with her insurance dentist - Ms. Toad May 2013 #117

I'm talking about 1957. nt morningglory May 2013 #144

In that era any kind of medical insurance Ms. Toad May 2013 #147

This is how the insurance industry works. It is how they get us to pay more for less. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #121

I have a friend who is an insurance lawyer, and the stories he tells would get your blood boiling. Marr May 2013 #137

After the Big Insurers Profit Assurance plan starts operation, truedelphi May 2013 #79

During the holidays I had cataract surgery that I'm still paying for. Boomerproud May 2013 #86

Even with insurance many people file for bankruptcy ... slipslidingaway May 2013 #95

Most medical bankruptcies are filed by people who have (or had) insurance dflprincess May 2013 #102

Exactly and as you say this will not change with the ACA ... slipslidingaway May 2013 #106

I suspect most of those did not have a $6250 cap on out-of-pocket expenses. Hoyt May 2013 #120

A person with a chronic condition may hit that $6250 cap every year dflprincess May 2013 #149

I don't think you would want the out-of-pocket cap to increase. Hoyt May 2013 #150

The Affordable "Care" Act allows the cap to increase every year dflprincess May 2013 #160

Use an in - network provider and they can't charge you extra. Hoyt May 2013 #161

They can continue to charge copays dflprincess May 2013 #162

No they can't once you pay $6250. You will be much better off than before m Hoyt May 2013 #164

Any eligible expense you pay out of pocket Ms. Toad May 2013 #163

I don't know what options you had when you obtained insurance - Ms. Toad May 2013 #98

We had a choice of two policies from a fortune 100 company ... slipslidingaway May 2013 #109

Unfortunately, we know we will hit the max every year. Ms. Toad May 2013 #115

We now know we'll hit the annual max each year as well ... slipslidingaway May 2013 #153

Physically - holding steady. Ms. Toad May 2013 #154

Sounds like a net positive ... slipslidingaway May 2013 #155

Unless you absolutely cannot pay, it's worth it. JVS May 2013 #103

I hear you. Bonobo May 2013 #107

You've got to pay up to the deductible and 20% of the remaining treestar May 2013 #111

3k sounds like a co-pay for that surgery. geckosfeet May 2013 #126

The point is this: unscrupulous capitalists are ripping us off so that they can get as rich as Zorra May 2013 #134

I'm really surprised by some of the responses in this thread. Texasgal May 2013 #141

I'm not. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #151

1) pay off the insurers that are a part of the System (doesn't even have to be for campaign funds) MisterP May 2013 #142

Because, Prrrrofits Baby!!! kenny blankenship May 2013 #157

Insurance corps can't give up any premium monies on you. They may go bankrupt. lonestarnot May 2013 #166