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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
42. Some people do
Sat May 11, 2013, 01:46 PM
May 2013

"Is the problem that they think 'being autistic' defines them as *only* autistic whereas 'having autism' means they are other things besides their autism?" Exactly.

I would say that my friend who is a dancer has diabetes. If you initially describe him as "diabetic," you're overshadowing something that is interesting and exciting about the person with an unfortunate part of their life. I apply this construct to anyone who has a disability so that they can identify themselves by the qualities that they want to define them.

They want to be seen as a person who is MORE than the experience that alienates them socially and is the cause of discrimination.
Yes a person will always have Autism, but people won't necessarily always know it so, for some it's relevance is not so constant that it should define them.
Notice that it is generally INVISIBLE (unlike skin tone). When you use autistic, or in my case epileptic, it takes something personal and private that some perceive as negative and makes it the very definition of me.
The word "epilpetic" is used to describe the brain waves that indicate some potential malfunction. I don't want to be defined by those intermittent neurological mishaps. To me the difference between having misfires on occasion and being clinically labeled first and foremost by neurological errors that show up on my EEG is important.
The disabling fact that I have to take extremely expensive medication presents an imposed limitation on my opportunities.

The word disabled is different. A person is "disabled" not so much because of their impairment (people who are deaf often don't see themselves as disabled). The only thing disabling about deafness is that hearing people can't\won't include them in conversation\information dispersion. Some things that are disabling about Diabetes or some other disabilities is the expense and social differences that it imposes upon a person's lifestyle. A person who uses a wheelchair operates just as well as any person who walks, but is disabled when they encounter stairs, doors that don't open easily, etc.

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You'd be amazed at the many shades of meaning of a smile accompanied by the words, freshwest May 2013 #1
Good advice. truebluegreen May 2013 #28
I see English as a toolbox Half-Century Man May 2013 #2
My default reply to a rude personal attack... defacto7 May 2013 #3
"vertically challenged" sounds way worse than "short" JI7 May 2013 #4
Short people got no reason OriginalGeek May 2013 #5
Wow... you're a lot more politiclly correct than I am. Jasana May 2013 #6
"Politically correct" is a RW term loyalsister May 2013 #7
I get called fat all the time. Mr. X May 2013 #13
Good for you loyalsister May 2013 #17
"There is a difference between calling a man or woman fat" - oh, piss off. sibelian May 2013 #32
Whose cold harsh truth? Iris May 2013 #18
To my above... Mr. X May 2013 #31
callling someone "illegal" really grates on me. CTyankee May 2013 #64
the thing is, when polite people notice something that's socially considered a flaw -- like being HiPointDem May 2013 #22
But we do refer to people with diabetes as 'diabetic,' to people with disabilities as 'disabled,' HiPointDem May 2013 #21
Some people do loyalsister May 2013 #42
In my world, people can be tired, handsome, a dancer, diabetic, young, and deaf, all at the same HiPointDem May 2013 #46
Your point is valid loyalsister May 2013 #47
as i'd already said i try to call people as they chose to be called, not sure why the lecture is HiPointDem May 2013 #48
And I explained why words matter loyalsister May 2013 #50
As I've already explained, there's nothing in the language itself that categorizes them in limited HiPointDem May 2013 #52
It wasn't always rucky May 2013 #27
I recall "politically correct" beginning as a left wing term meaning the person referred to has so byeya May 2013 #35
Exactly loyalsister May 2013 #43
Thanks. It's good to know my memory has not failed me here. byeya May 2013 #49
I generally tell people I'm short, fat, have brown hair. Shrike47 May 2013 #8
Political correctness is simply GOOD MANNERS. Zoeisright May 2013 #9
It sometimes *is* difficult, because different people take offense to different things, and HiPointDem May 2013 #23
Political correctness is simply NOT GOOD MANNERS. RC May 2013 #36
Here, here. +++++!! Locut0s May 2013 #66
Kinda like.... TnDem May 2013 #67
Find another job if you can't pretend to be nice. Quantess May 2013 #10
I've been in customer service for 20 years.. MichelleB May 2013 #12
Fortunately for me, I wasn't in public service. Shrike47 May 2013 #14
a huge sparkly bouncy ball Quantess May 2013 #16
Great feed back!!! MichelleB May 2013 #11
If someone called me "vertically challenged" ... dmr May 2013 #15
I once thought of a thing Beearewhyain May 2013 #19
A friend of mine suggested LostOne4Ever May 2013 #20
I love that example. It's very much like something my father told me one day when I was puzzled. freshwest May 2013 #44
I think your example is better LostOne4Ever May 2013 #57
Same feeling and logic. Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching and Alan Watts influenced me as a teenager. freshwest May 2013 #60
this really feels like a right wing post cali May 2013 #24
I thought the same. Squinch May 2013 #25
Yep. Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #26
"-this could be amusing and educational all at once. " Brickbat May 2013 #29
I don't think the term short is offense. Travis_0004 May 2013 #30
Vertically challenged indicates a problem. Tall and short are lengths. freshwest May 2013 #61
I'm short... a la izquierda May 2013 #63
the RW BS is strong in this thread.... KG May 2013 #33
Wasn't it, though. But there were some good replies, too. freshwest May 2013 #45
You don't consider "vertically challenged" as rude? Cleita May 2013 #34
If asked to describe a person's height I think it's better to say "about"5'1" or 4'11" whichever byeya May 2013 #37
That is fine. Even calling someone short is not insulting. It's a fact, but Cleita May 2013 #38
I would, and have, filled out reports and said "Shorter than the average man, approx, 5'6" and I do byeya May 2013 #39
I don't think asking for body shape is an appropriate question even for an accident report. Cleita May 2013 #40
I agree with you and this was 40 years ago. I don't think this question appears on current motor byeya May 2013 #41
Of course!! MichelleB May 2013 #56
aww. poor you. such a hard life you live La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #51
I cannot pretend to be nice or to actually care about others. Dash87 May 2013 #53
:D MichelleB May 2013 #58
I think you're punking us. Nine May 2013 #54
call me whatever you want.. janlyn May 2013 #55
calling anti-woman right wing nuts "pro-life" arely staircase May 2013 #59
For those of you being accused or accusing someone of being "right winged" MichelleB May 2013 #62
Actually I think the first part you said you are fine with is stupid... Locut0s May 2013 #65
Option C: Trolling dog whistle. (nt) Heidi May 2013 #68
The easiest thing to do is not to refer to people's MineralMan May 2013 #69
...agreed MineralMan!! :D MichelleB May 2013 #70
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