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110. The only function of a gun is to kill

Sat May 11, 2013, 01:41 PM

May 2013

All those other causes of death come from things that have useful functions and are necessary for living in the 21st century.
A gun does nothing but kill.

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In the last 5 months there have been at least 71 kids killed by guns. Average just under 6 years old [View all] bigtree May 2013 OP

3 kids were killed by lawn darts and they banned them Botany May 2013 #1

unfortunately Duckhunter935 May 2013 #3

You have not read it closely enough. IveWornAHundredPants May 2013 #4

You don't understand it. rl6214 May 2013 #98

These gun nuts have so abused the 2nd amendment it is not funny Botany May 2013 #5

The 2nd was ratified in 1791. The National Guard was formed in 1930. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #243

And is not the national guard a well regulated malitia? Botany May 2013 #247

The Guard occupies a dual role sarisataka May 2013 #248

No, it is not. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #249

2nd Amendment Apologists Roy Rolling May 2013 #8

We've come a long way from quill and parchment since 1776 as well. LAGC May 2013 #10

The main impediment is political, not legal. DanTex May 2013 #12

So you would claim that we can do nothing to keep guns away from 7 year olds? mbperrin May 2013 #182

Absolutely we can do stuff to keep guns away from kids. LAGC May 2013 #198

Well, here are some ideas I've been pushing. I personally think that every round should be marked, mbperrin May 2013 #199

First off.. TnDem May 2013 #202

I mentioned that online sales will probably have to cease. mbperrin May 2013 #217

let me get this straight Duckhunter935 May 2013 #227

No need to take in existing to have it marked. Manufacturers will mark new ammo. mbperrin May 2013 #229

Misunderstanding TnDem May 2013 #237

Apparently you have no idea where west Texas is, where I was raised and live still. mbperrin May 2013 #242

The Obama admin already backed away from shredding military brass AtheistCrusader May 2013 #263

One in the future. mbperrin May 2013 #283

Microstamping shell casing works. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #260

Someday will come faster if we mandate it. mbperrin May 2013 #262

If I could speculate on a solution... AtheistCrusader May 2013 #264

A challenge for others, of course. As a true believer, I don't worry about it. mbperrin May 2013 #284

Add two decimal places. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #258

Nah, that number is too big. mbperrin May 2013 #261

That's just part of the market. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #266

I'm counting on shady people not using their surplus. Gets them into the system faster than it would mbperrin May 2013 #285

And you wonder why getting gun control laws passed in this country is so hard? premium May 2013 #209

Nah, these are my reasonable proposals. mbperrin May 2013 #218

I rest my case. premium May 2013 #220

Ballistic fingerprinting doesn't work. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #245

One's good enough for me. Everyone always says life is priceless, then they back up when it costs mbperrin May 2013 #250

A good way to run out of public resources. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #257

Public resources are where we find them. mbperrin May 2013 #259

I thought universal back ground checks was reasonable BobbyBoring May 2013 #232

Background checks TnDem May 2013 #236

Uh Oh. Big mean DiFi wants to ban assault weapons?!? Meanwhile, in other news.... jmg257 May 2013 #274

Actually, there's a lot we HAVE done, and yes, more we can legally do within the constraints of the AtheistCrusader May 2013 #244

I agree. We have done a lot. mbperrin May 2013 #251

A 1776 musket was state of the art in 1776 rl6214 May 2013 #99

Again, gun nut, that pesky 2nd amendment calls for a well-regulated militia. Where is that again? Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #16

Do some research rl6214 May 2013 #100

Except it does nothing of the sort. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #279

However you read it, Constitution does not require gun cultists to arm up & spread their gun love. Hoyt May 2013 #52

I note that gunners like to use the term "pesky." It is not "pesky." CTyankee May 2013 #148

Name calling Duckhunter935 May 2013 #151

It is how I feel about the 2nd A. And, IMO, it has been interpreted in the worst possible CTyankee May 2013 #152

If you say it that way Duckhunter935 May 2013 #156

You probably wouldn't like what regulations Norway has in place, tho. CTyankee May 2013 #163

Would not be my first choice Duckhunter935 May 2013 #164

Well, I am just pointing out the experience of a country that doesn't ban, but heavily CTyankee May 2013 #166

It is also a smaller Duckhunter935 May 2013 #169

"different culture"? Their "gun culture" is different, yes. CTyankee May 2013 #171

I have a set of those, WITH the spikes still on them. JesterCS May 2013 #114

My next door neighbors had them ..... Botany May 2013 #128

It is your perspective... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #189

Doesn't make any sense does it? Rex May 2013 #158

sacrifices on the alter of 2A KG May 2013 #2

Cars kill a lot more kids than guns. There's about as many cars as gun in the US. marble falls May 2013 #6

But cars also provide immense benefits to society. DanTex May 2013 #7

Well, then, lets have some car control..... marble falls May 2013 #9

We have car control. DanTex May 2013 #11

In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes, killing 32,885 and injuring 2,239,000.[1].... marble falls May 2013 #13

And we have about the same number of gun deaths. DanTex May 2013 #15

Wrong ... marble falls May 2013 #19

Don't get me wrong, but you claim to want Robb May 2013 #25

I want a mandatory national registration for firearms and a mandatory background check for ... marble falls May 2013 #37

how many of those deaths results in a car driven massacre at a school, movie theater Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #28

You might be sick of it, but the facts remain. I'm plain old sick and tired of the NRA.... marble falls May 2013 #41

LOL. So you're saying 31,000 is not "about the same" as 33,000? Really? DanTex May 2013 #40

Try again: marble falls May 2013 #46

Still dodging! Costs versus benefits. What are the benefits of guns? DanTex May 2013 #47

I want to be sure this is how you are framing the question: marble falls May 2013 #50

Still dodging. What are the benefits of guns to society? DanTex May 2013 #53

You are getting way off the topic. Frankly I don't see all the wonderfull benefits .... marble falls May 2013 #62

No, you are getting off topic. The topic is a cost-benefit analysis of guns in our society. DanTex May 2013 #63

Your inability to deal with the facts is epidomy of the gun nut and the gun ban debate... marble falls May 2013 #67

Yet another dodge. Also, it's spelled "epitome". DanTex May 2013 #68

Correct spelling. The last refuge of someone losing the debate. marble falls May 2013 #72

Dodge. What. Are. The. Benefits? DanTex May 2013 #82

Why are you trying to turn the topic? Which is the children and how we can save them. marble falls May 2013 #144

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #200

You just switched from deaths to injuries. mbperrin May 2013 #184

Go to the links and read them. We both trust the sources I use, right?.... marble falls May 2013 #211

People recover from injuries. Death is final. mbperrin May 2013 #219

Most Americans live all their lives without needing a gun mainer May 2013 #223

Hey, I ride my horse when I have to go into town, premium May 2013 #224

Thank you. mbperrin May 2013 #252

If ONE doesn't matter, than neither do 2.3 million nor 73,505. nt patrice May 2013 #225

I consider crime deterrence and self defense to be benefits. geckosfeet May 2013 #48

Yeah, there're statistics on that too. Progressive dog May 2013 #215

There is a much greater probability that someone in an automobile will be injured in a car accident. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #222

So what, cars have an actual reason to exist Progressive dog May 2013 #226

Firearms legitimately exist to deter crime, for self-defense, and other purposes. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #228

That's what we have police for Progressive dog May 2013 #231

The police did their job. They investigated and found that self-defense justified the shooting. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #239

My choice. geckosfeet May 2013 #230

Yes, 43 TIMES more likely to be hurt or killed by a gun if you have mbperrin May 2013 #253

You are misquoting the Kellerman study. ManiacJoe May 2013 #267

Okay, so 43 times more likely to hurt your family than a criminal. mbperrin May 2013 #286

Still wrong. Read it again. ManiacJoe May 2013 #290

No, anyone shot with your gun in your house is 43 times more likely to be a family member mbperrin May 2013 #291

You need some help with reading comprehension. ManiacJoe May 2013 #292

So yes, having a gun in the house makes it more likely that a family member will be killed mbperrin May 2013 #293

Close, but not quite. ManiacJoe May 2013 #294

Rules are great. Buncha people don't follow them. mbperrin May 2013 #295

These are, of course, benefits. But unfortunately for some, logic is not a strong point. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #221

The gun nuts wouldn't know what logic is Progressive dog May 2013 #233

For some, logic is not a strong point but name-calling is. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #241

We do have car control. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #140

Oh, so as long as its good for the economy rl6214 May 2013 #101

There are costs and benefits that need to be weighed against each other. DanTex May 2013 #103

Nope, you just don't care about the children rl6214 May 2013 #111

We have car control in fact we have lots of it. Arcanetrance May 2013 #56

And with all that marvolous tech they still kill and injure 2.5 million a year.... marble falls May 2013 #70

Forgive me I'm not trying to call you a liar but I have my doubts that there are as many guns in Arcanetrance May 2013 #74

Wanna bet????? marble falls May 2013 #78

I do apologize if you thought I was calling you a liar. My point wording that is I didn't want Arcanetrance May 2013 #83

Its the same as when gun nuts and gold sellers appeal to the sense ... marble falls May 2013 #88

I have no delusions that every person with a gun is waiting to shoot up children Arcanetrance May 2013 #92

You and I agree pretty much. I never thought of periodic re-registration, but it works for me... marble falls May 2013 #105

Consider this then.... TnDem May 2013 #203

Estimate of firearms in the U.S. premium May 2013 #79

Go to the link. Registered vehicles in the US. Inconvenient fact, eh?.... marble falls May 2013 #87

Re-read what I wrote, premium May 2013 #96

"registered vehicles" out number guns. What's so hard about that?...... marble falls May 2013 #109

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree about the number of households premium May 2013 #116

We agree pretty much. It not that I trust Uncle, I don't trust the kind of .... marble falls May 2013 #120

Now that I agree with premium May 2013 #121

West Texas and I believe Wyoming and Montana have 80+ spd limits rl6214 May 2013 #106

There's a couple sections of I-15 through Utah premium May 2013 #108

There are a few places in west Texas which have a speed limit of 80, and one mbperrin May 2013 #185

I have seen 85 speed limit in Utah. n/t. airplaneman May 2013 #123

But there are still thousands of dead kids per year krispos42 May 2013 #20

Somebody thinks your reply is from the NRA Propaganda 101 book. ~sigh~ NYC_SKP May 2013 #23

And Shotgun Skip, right on cue. Robb May 2013 #29

I never actually bought any guns, Robb. And if you had been paying attention... NYC_SKP May 2013 #32

NRA is that way. Please give my regards to Wayne LaPierre Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #34

DU is home to many supporters of the RKBA and always will be. We aren't going anywhere. (nt) NYC_SKP May 2013 #36

God forbid someone is your family is a victim of gun violence Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #38

Someone in my family was a victim of gun violence, premium May 2013 #102

"Its just a tool" ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #142

I don't care if you think it's bullshit, premium May 2013 #143

Oh yeah? ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #145

Whatever, premium May 2013 #208

I still don't get this... Pelican May 2013 #201

Same old bullshit. I'm still amazed you didn't get banned Robb May 2013 #60

You were a mod, you should know better. NYC_SKP May 2013 #71

Again, horseshit. Robb May 2013 #90

you should have been banned for posting gun porn in GD less than 48 hours after Newtown CreekDog May 2013 #269

My browser history goes back to August 8th, 2011 krispos42 May 2013 #192

Jury results: NYC_SKP May 2013 #194

Limiting cars to 20 mph would be a huge drain on the economy. DanTex May 2013 #31

It would slow the economy, not end it. NYC_SKP May 2013 #33

It would be a catastrophic disruption, greater than, for example, the financial crisis. DanTex May 2013 #39

Please explain: sarisataka May 2013 #64

Limiting cars to 20 mph would sink the economy. DanTex May 2013 #66

I can see the economy taking a hit sarisataka May 2013 #73

20 mph speed limit would result in severe economic damage. DanTex May 2013 #86

I believe excessive speed is one of sarisataka May 2013 #93

That is true. DanTex May 2013 #95

The cost benefit is near impossible to determine sarisataka May 2013 #104

Well, all cost/benefit analyses are tricky. DanTex May 2013 #107

I think Duckhunter935 May 2013 #81

And thus the false choice you present krispos42 May 2013 #195

Okay, that's funny. nt rrneck May 2013 #43

And yet, like the rest of the NRAers, you have no response. DanTex May 2013 #45

Okay... rrneck May 2013 #49

Is that graph supposed to represent the benefits of guns to society? DanTex May 2013 #51

Are you sure you're on the right board? rrneck May 2013 #54

So you're going to dodge the question about the benefits of guns to society. DanTex May 2013 #57

Hunting and self protection. But what does it matter, things don't have to have a benefit The Straight Story May 2013 #76

Hunting, yes. There's also recreation. Self-protection with a gun is extremely rare. DanTex May 2013 #85

So much bullshit your eyes are brown Uzair May 2013 #160

I apologize rrneck May 2013 #89

More dodging. My guess is, you understand that the costs of guns greatly outweigh the benefits DanTex May 2013 #91

LOL! rrneck May 2013 #94

Dodge again. DanTex May 2013 #97

Practice on those heels before you get on the catwalk. rrneck May 2013 #113

Why the dodging? Why not just answer the question? DanTex May 2013 #115

Hmmm. Ok. I will try to answer The Straight Story May 2013 #135

That's a fair answer. DanTex May 2013 #141

Ok The Straight Story May 2013 #147

OK. DanTex May 2013 #150

Of course you're right there. rrneck May 2013 #149

OK DanTex May 2013 #157

Ah, another dodge. rrneck May 2013 #165

It's clear anti-intellectualism. DanTex May 2013 #176

Ooh. Another turn. Cute. rrneck May 2013 #187

Wow. Yet, there are regulations over cars, registration, licensing, insurance mandates Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #18

They will now deny NRA talking points exist. Robb May 2013 #24

Found an example of the "mythical" talking points list by the way... Pholus May 2013 #206

Wayne LaPierre also has a book... Pholus May 2013 #207

NO kidding. laundry_queen May 2013 #26

trigger locks, but that's not a standard feature of gun. Also the safety feature Nanjing to Seoul May 2013 #30

not Duckhunter935 May 2013 #84

Those mandates you refer to are generally for public usage, not for ownership... beevul May 2013 #196

What a really dumb comparison. And I am a gun owner. Wow. You do not help. n-t Logical May 2013 #44

Every time the argument about guns vs cars comes up I think that guns were invented to kill (wars), AlinPA May 2013 #168

Well, guns were *invented* to knock down walls Recursion May 2013 #265

So kids killed by guns don't count? mbperrin May 2013 #183

How long would you survive if all guns disappeared right now? Orrex May 2013 #188

How long would I survive if *all* guns (including police) disappeared? Probably not very long Recursion May 2013 #268

Way to miss the point. Orrex May 2013 #272

You have no idea who I am or what my fantasies are Recursion May 2013 #273

I was addressing fantasies commonly articulated by gun advocates. Orrex May 2013 #275

Ah, fair enough, and I grant that Recursion May 2013 #276

The "cars" thing is a pointless deflection. Why would those statistics matter? Dash87 May 2013 #256

we do-it's called regulations sigmasix May 2013 #270

K&R abelenkpe May 2013 #14

Comparing gun deaths to lawn darts, cars, swimming pools et al, is STUPID, and so are gun nuts. mountain grammy May 2013 #17

+1000 GCP May 2013 #21

Post removed Post removed May 2013 #35

An acceptable number to the gunfuckers. Iggo May 2013 #22

wow Abortion bad bad bad but oldandhappy May 2013 #27

So... when the fuck will someone... bobclark86 May 2013 #42

I strongly agree. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #280

Dia de los Muertos Generic Other May 2013 #55

Well, er, um.... Deep13 May 2013 #58

So tragic. I hate guns. smirkymonkey May 2013 #59

And this is why we need more Stand Your Ground laws. If these kids had been armed.... Bucky May 2013 #61

Piffle. billh58 May 2013 #65

Not one thing about those Folks who had that Gun in hand and pulling the trigger DreamSmoker May 2013 #69

More kids were hurt and killed by fire: marble falls May 2013 #75

never saw a lobby (lobbying) that advocated against fire safety laws bigtree May 2013 #77

As a fire ratedwindow designer(first engineered 1hr rated fire window) and former... marble falls May 2013 #80

The only function of a gun is to kill GCP May 2013 #110

Not true. And are you vegitarian? Do cops carry a gun to kill or intimidate? marble falls May 2013 #112

Well, they might make an unusually-shaped paper-weight GCP May 2013 #117

Target shooting, wall hanger, collection ..... marble falls May 2013 #118

Are you serious? billh58 May 2013 #119

All animals offered as food are killed. So if all killing is bad .... marble falls May 2013 #122

Nice side step. billh58 May 2013 #127

I'm a hunter and unlike you I'm niether coy nor squeemish about killing. I say the biggest ... marble falls May 2013 #133

My, how manly billh58 May 2013 #136

Shame on you. Can't think of anything to say pertinent to the topic? marble falls May 2013 #137

You're cute. n/t billh58 May 2013 #139

Ah but you're cuter. marble falls May 2013 #170

I know. billh58 May 2013 #173

No one is taking your hunting riffle. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #146

these hunting rifles will be banned "All AR types, including the following: AR–10, AR–15" Duckhunter935 May 2013 #154

I'm not worried. But the fact is more people are bludgeoned to death than are killed... marble falls May 2013 #175

Those aren't really hunting rifles. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #178

the Duckhunter935 May 2013 #180

You're wrong about cops being trained to kill, premium May 2013 #124

Cops are NOT billh58 May 2013 #125

That's right, and that's NOT what I said, premium May 2013 #126

The assertion that billh58 May 2013 #129

You're right, premium May 2013 #130

I misstated billh58 May 2013 #131

I agree, premium May 2013 #132

I'm assuming that you're billh58 May 2013 #134

Yep, premium May 2013 #138

As if the gun nuts in here care Uzair May 2013 #153

I do not know what a gun nut is Duckhunter935 May 2013 #159

So you support Canadian or Japanese style gun laws? Uzair May 2013 #162

As I have stated many times before Duckhunter935 May 2013 #167

So no, then Uzair May 2013 #174

Yes I can Duckhunter935 May 2013 #177

Ya know, premium May 2013 #212

Pathetic Uzair May 2013 #214

There is a problem, premium May 2013 #216

Unfortunately the gun nuts were out in full force Progressive dog May 2013 #155

this name calling Duckhunter935 May 2013 #161

Don't you think that billh58 May 2013 #172

I have been around a long time Duckhunter935 May 2013 #179

You're not alone with such experience. I asked one question and was promptly banned. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #240

Good call, re: opening GD to gun discussions. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #281

What doesn't the name calling help? Progressive dog May 2013 #186

Tragic, but that's a surprisingly small number. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #181

Small....fascinating. So what number would concern you? Pholus May 2013 #204

I think that's a different question... Demo_Chris May 2013 #213

Wishy washy. I asked for your personal number. nt Pholus May 2013 #234

42 precisely. No more or less. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #235

Way to avoid committing yourself! Had that one anticipated.... nt Pholus May 2013 #238

Sorry, but it's a silly question.... Demo_Chris May 2013 #246

Silly is when you used the words "surprisingly small." Pholus May 2013 #278

One death per MILLION children is quite small given all the noise about it here Demo_Chris May 2013 #282

Actually, we are now discussing innumeracy. Yours. Among other failings. Pholus May 2013 #289

It's a surprisingly large number when you compare it to the rest of the first world Hippo_Tron May 2013 #287

I have my own theories about why this is so, but guns are not at the heart of any of them. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #288

Rec'ing for exposure... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #190

Disturbing comments from Huffpo story of 7 year old shot by his 5 year old brother: freshwest May 2013 #191

. blkmusclmachine May 2013 #193

Bump n/t Tx4obama May 2013 #197

I can finally quantify crazy.... Pholus May 2013 #205

71+ cases of firearms being misused. ileus May 2013 #210

Yours is a very peculiar posting. IveWornAHundredPants May 2013 #254

Dead children are a small price to pay Hugabear May 2013 #255

Neglect JustAnotherGen May 2013 #271

Guns don't kill kids, kids with guns kill kids liberal N proud May 2013 #277