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In reply to the discussion: We DID PITT BULLS BEFORE! [View all]Nine
(1,741 posts)127. try again
1. The dog shown in your first link is not a golden retriever; it's a mix.

2. This dog in your third link is not shown but is described as "a 50-pound Labrador retriever mix with a black-and-white coat."
3. As for German Shepherds and Rottweilers, dog researcher Alexandra Semyonova addresses this here: http://www.nonlineardogs.com/100MostSillyPart3-2.html
There is now a second group of problematic dogs starting to arise: the breeds that are most commonly used as guard dogs and police dogs. These dogs are not only used and trained by police, but also by hobbyists who engage in competitions for points. In their anxiousness to gain points at contests, these hobbyists started to mess around with the breeds they work with. The German Shepherd and the rotweiler are the most common victims of this trend. In some countries, more local breeds have suffered the same fate. Some kennels breed these dogs to be both nervous (the hair trigger) and capable of real aggression.
When we breed dogs for these qualities, we are in fact breeding changes in their brains. Recent
research (Peremans 2002) has shown that this artificial selection results in abnormalities in the parts
of the brain that govern aggression and impulse control, and in the brains chemical housekeeping
(the neurotransmitters). The breeders make no secret of the fact that they do this. If you buy a dog
at a kennel that advertises its dogs for guard and police work, you know you will get a dog that bites
soon and doesnt stop until a lot later. Unfortunately, we dont live in a laboratory where our
experiments are securely contained. The German Shepherd and the rotweiler are also popular as
household pets. Owners dont always know what kind of kennel they are visiting, and kennels dont
always care who they sell to. The genetic selection for aggression has ended up leaking into the
general population of these breeds, and they are now becoming more generally problematic than
one would expect from pet breeds.
The fact that these police dog breeds are so strongly represented in the dog bite statistics is
sometimes used to prove that the truly aggressive breeds are no more dangerous than any normal
dog. After all, the German Shepherd and the rotweiler are old breeds with a long history as
household companions. Serious bite incidents with these dogs are cited in attempts to prove that the
all-out aggression of the triggered pit bull (or American Staffordshire terrier, or Presa Canaria, etc.)
is perfectly normal canine behaviour. People conveniently forget (or omit to mention) that for at least
several decades these breeds have been subject to the same slanted artificial selection that
produced the pit bull (etc) in the first place. The increasingly aggressive behaviour of these police
dog breeds constitutes, in fact, proof that breeding for aggression most certainly does get you a
genetically aggressive, abnormally dangerous dog. These breeds account, together, for almost one
hundred percent of serious to fatal dog bite incidents. Eighty percent of serious to fatal attacks (on
humans or other dogs) are committed by pit bulls/American Staffordshire terriers and other fighting
breeds. The remaining twenty percent is claimed mostly by the breeds that are used for police work.
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Thanks. I miss him something awful. He was my first dog ever. And, to be honest, I was nervous based
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#20
And DU totally confuses those shitty owners with those of us here who rescue them and give them
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#17
Do you know who Trained or Owned the Pit Bulls you've come in contact with, though?
KoKo
May 2013
#10
Very Funny...it would take a lot of work...but I guess "Baby Death from Chihuahua"
KoKo
May 2013
#29
I suspect that's why "pits" are blamed for a disproportionate number of attacks.
SwissTony
May 2013
#72
Indeed - imagine how dangerous guns could be if they had a mind of their own. n/t
cigsandcoffee
May 2013
#28
Agree...but, there's always an errant Socio/Pschopatic one..but, that's in us Humans, also.
KoKo
May 2013
#45
I think it's a mistake to demonize them and a mistake to not acknowledge that they can be dangerous.
Marrah_G
May 2013
#52
What you write combined with your sig line make me laugh out loud. The irony. nt
uppityperson
May 2013
#57
DogsBite.org is a scam. It's run by one person named Colleen Lynn, and she makes her money
baldguy
May 2013
#79
DogsBite.org is not truthful. It promotes genocide & sensationalizes vary rare events
baldguy
May 2013
#96
So are you finally backing off your accusation that they steal money from victims?
Nine
May 2013
#98
There is no "they" at DogsBite. SHE dosn't steal money directly from victims - I never said she did.
baldguy
May 2013
#103
Like with most everything else, Americans are too fucking stupid and emotional to do the right thing
whatchamacallit
May 2013
#68
The blog you lifted that from (unattributed, I'll add) is out of date and not telling whole picture.
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#76
I have an aversion to legislation based on bullshit propaganda. A breed-neutral approach is the way
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#97
I told you why I care. I posted the ASPCA analysis on BSL. IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#102
What I disagreed with was the ludicrous notion that it takes fewer resources...
randome
May 2013
#119
Enforcing laws that work takes fewer resources than trying to enforce laws that don't work.
baldguy
May 2013
#121
What are you claiming - that all these breeds can just "turn off" their instincts?
Nine
May 2013
#100
You do realize the entire case you're supporting against Pit Bulls is a straw man argument, right?
baldguy
May 2013
#129
Do you have any arguments other than personal attacks on those you disagree with?
Nine
May 2013
#140
There is a reason for this bumper sticker I saw on the back of a pickup truck, too: Pit Bull Inside.
randome
May 2013
#135
An elderly neighbor always carried a golf club while walking his elderly Lab
FarCenter
May 2013
#110
i think that there should be some screening before inexperienced dog owners
La Lioness Priyanka
May 2013
#132
Going to be hated for this but no pit bulls - and yes, it does seem to be a problem with the BREED,
MillennialDem
May 2013
#148
Well, if you're worried about voting to ban your little snowflake, don't worry about it
MillennialDem
May 2013
#150
Nowhere does your post specify the forum as a whole rather than me. And aggressive? Project much?
MillennialDem
May 2013
#156