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[Occulus]

84. That's one of the points of the material, yes.

It explicitly states that we do and say these things to each other, because we have been exposed to it so often ourselves we don't realize when we do it to others.

I've been considering a very long OP detailing this material, and how it applies to DU and our posts here, ever since I read what's presented at that link. That this is actual counseling material, given in actual sessions with actual patients, only serves to underscore its validity as legitimate study.

Frankly, these materials are things Skinner, Elad, and EarlG would do well to examine and incorporate into the rules about refraining from "making DU suck". The more I look at what's provided at the link, the more I recognize it from DU posts.

We would do very well to try to incorporate a lot of this here on DU. We would do even better to try to use it in our interactions with others; I recognize a lot of what's presented at the link in my interactions (positive and negative) with other people in my own life.

And again, this material isn't something I just pulled out of my ass; this forms an actual basis for patients receiving counseling for, ,among other things, suicide attempts. I showed it to a friend who recently attempted suicide via drug overdose, and he immediately recognized pertinent portions from his own sessions. The handouts he received were direct quotes from the link. Needless to say, I was a little surprised, but this material is actually the real deal.

We would do well, all of us, to read it and take it to heart. If we do, DU will be a much better place to be.