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Cronus Protagonist

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Sun May 12, 2013, 07:50 PM May 2013

So why is it that some people seem incapable of phrasing the killer argument properly? [View all]

If someone or some people are killed by people using guns, why not say so? Why do I see the phrase "killed by guns" so often here, especially here, where presumably people are a little more educated than the hoi polloi?

It seems to me that the weight in any gun control argument ought to involve the shooters, not just the weapon of choice. I ask because it seems weak to claim that guns kill people, and since clearly they don't do anything without a shooter, being unable to act autonomously. However, people do kill and maim each other using guns, bombs, knives, and so on.

To center your argument around the weapon du jour and not to place the blame securely on the people who buy, hold and use guns is a losing proposition from the start.

I'd like to see postings about these insane, dumb, careless, feckless or reckless people who kill and maim others using guns be more focussed on the perpetrator than the weapon. Don't you think it would both have more impact and be more accurate if we did? I think you would have to agree.

So why do so many make such clearly inaccurate statements in postings about the killer issue of the day, which is people who are violent, not guns, pressure cookers, poison gas or knives? I guess that's a rhetorical question and what I really want to say is STEP UP THE ANTE - place the blame squarely on the people who kill and maim. Address the root cause and you will get a better response, IMHO.

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I agree. NYC_SKP May 2013 #1
Get rid of the violent gun users and there would be no guns either Fumesucker May 2013 #2
every case of gun violence has one thing in common, a gun. Guns kill people bowens43 May 2013 #3
they also have in common "gun owners" nt msongs May 2013 #5
Like the five year old who shot a three year old recently? Fumesucker May 2013 #6
There's A Difference Between A Gun OWNER And A Gun POSSESSOR ChoppinBroccoli May 2013 #12
Every single one of those also involves at least one human. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #7
And yet Japan has as few as two (2) gun related deaths per year Fumesucker May 2013 #10
Apple, meet Orange. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #17
States with strong gun laws have far fewer suicides MannyGoldstein May 2013 #19
That may be the case. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #20
So you think I just made an argument in favor of enabling 30000 death a year? Cronus Protagonist May 2013 #14
"why do so many make such clearly inaccurate statements in postings about ..." It's what they do. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #4
Because that is our vernacular, is "why." Live by the sword; die by the sword. NOT "swordsman." WinkyDink May 2013 #8
In that example, "the sword" is clearly a metaphor for "violence" Cronus Protagonist May 2013 #15
Yes, yes, but it is still our vernacular. And the metaphor nonetheless supports that. It isn't "Be a WinkyDink May 2013 #22
Dog shoots man, Woman shot by oven, etc. Electric Monk May 2013 #9
Let's see... billh58 May 2013 #11
agreed but it goes further than that sigmasix May 2013 #13
Good work, my friend Cronus Protagonist May 2013 #16
Well said. n/t OneGrassRoot May 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist May 2013 #21
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