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In reply to the discussion: ‘I was targeted after I made Assange sex crime claim’ says accuser of Wikileaks founder [View all]
Tien1985
(923 posts)77. This isn't surprising to me.
It's not right, but it was predictable.
I like wikileaks and I am staunchly FOR transparency. It doesn't escape me that the allegations came after the wikileaks bust. That doesn't make me assume the allegations are false, just that they would have gotten no attention or consideration prior to. THAT is a problem. I'm not going to try and argue, here, that not using a condom when your partner(s) asks/tells you to isn't rape. That's despicable, and having that conversation is just another dusty artifact of rape culture.
Yup--had Assange never been found out as a leader of wikileaks, these charges probably would never have materialized or would have been ignored. What does that say about rape?
People who do good things also sometimes do bad things. People who do wonderful, brave things, also sometimes do horrible, depraved things. Doing something good doesn't cancel out rape. Doing something horrific doesn't negate one's humanity--thus, many progressives are against the death penalty.
Why are we treating this as an either or?
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‘I was targeted after I made Assange sex crime claim’ says accuser of Wikileaks founder [View all]
struggle4progress
May 2013
OP
And your ad-hominem changes the fact that few accusations of rape are false exactly how?
stevenleser
May 2013
#9
That is not true regarding the condom... he held at least one woman down after she objected.
stevenleser
May 2013
#96
Surprise, surprise. All conservatives believe her. Down with whistle blowers. Down with Occupy.
rhett o rick
May 2013
#22
Do you believe Jemima Khan opposes whistle-blowers and supports domestic surveillance?
struggle4progress
May 2013
#105
The UK courts, upholding the extradition request, took the PoV that sex with an unconscious woman,
struggle4progress
May 2013
#42
Many states in the USA hold having sex with an unconscious or incompetent person to be rape.
freshwest
May 2013
#51
Yeah, that was so sleazy the way his site leaked info about multi-nationals and war crimes.
napoleon_in_rags
May 2013
#38
Yes, because that was obviously precisely the thing that elicited the "sleazy" assessment.
Lizzie Poppet
May 2013
#71
He hasn't been convicted of anything. Sweden has sought his return to Sweden in order to prosecute
struggle4progress
May 2013
#56
This woman can't win, no matter what happens. It wasn't a 'legitimate' rape, some would say.
freshwest
May 2013
#10
The third paragraph said it all for me. I was joking about Akin. Bet he'd call that rape.
freshwest
May 2013
#49
That's what's disturbing, his role as "crusader" seems to immunize him from a host of misdeeds.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#108
The attorney doesn't seem to be denying unwanted sex didn't occur. Just their attitude, he says?
freshwest
May 2013
#21
Yes, because no one at odds with the CIA could EVER be a self-absorbed rapist asshole.
Lizzie Poppet
May 2013
#16
In fact the original complaints did include a rape allegation. A Swedish prosecutor removed the rape
struggle4progress
May 2013
#47
yep i notice a certain group on here hates assange and any or all whistleblower types , guilty until
boilerbabe
May 2013
#29
Sadly, the Obama administration has prosecuted more whistleblowers than any other President.
Matariki
May 2013
#34
There was a very good and thoughtful interview with Assange on Smiley and West today on NPR
Matariki
May 2013
#25
So this anonomous woman's story has changed from a torn condom to "a victim of assault"?
Matariki
May 2013
#27
Your misrepresentations don't improve my opinion of your hero, especially since
struggle4progress
May 2013
#109
Whether he could be charged in the US rather depends on what he has done. If he simply
struggle4progress
May 2013
#55
Even if true, Assange can't be held to blame for what some supporters do. nt
Live and Learn
May 2013
#67
It's an unwillingness to separate the man from the cause. Wikileaks can be a good thing; Anonymous
freshwest
May 2013
#74
If it were anyone else but Assange, I bet the reaction here would be different.
riqster
May 2013
#78
Anyone who hides out in an embassy for months, refusing to comply with the legal orders issued
riqster
May 2013
#88
Thank you! For all the women in my family, I say T-H-A-N-K YOU!!!! No one should be immune to.....
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#114
Struggle4progress, have you posted as obsessively about the Steubenville case?
Matariki
May 2013
#93
Why? The Steubenville rapists got to face their accusers. That's how the justice system works.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#115
Thanks. With that paragraph admitted by one's own attorney, if he was not named Assange,
freshwest
May 2013
#102