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125. I think this and the Authorization vote

Mon May 13, 2013, 12:50 PM

May 2013

still haunt us. More than a decade, and the AUMF is still running the show?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists

It's a pity that Kucinich didn't vote against that.

I think a lot about how we got to where we are today - we seem on autopilot to engage in an endless series of military excursions.

There is some Libertarian overlap between the left and the right on certain issues, but that is not a bad thing. The military and militarist thinking are holding too much sway in this country, and Eisenhower's warning seems prophetic.

I'm willing to concede that my personal concerns shouldn't run the country, and that there may be good arguments for some of this, but I think there can be no objective support for the idea that this should all be happening with so little public debate about it.

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KUCINICH (corrected) is getting on my nerves. There he is on Faux giving aid and comfort to Fauxers [View all] UTUSN May 2013 OP

I have never trusted that man. He's more Republican than he is Democrat BlueCaliDem May 2013 #1

"all hat no cattle", Yep. That's what I always thought. Little Star May 2013 #2

Um, Um, better watch yourself. Dennis is exalted by some on this site. My sense is that bluestate10 May 2013 #6

Well, that's tough. I share your sense because if it walks, talks, and obstructs like a Republican BlueCaliDem May 2013 #11

Kucinich has always had a self serving ego. FarPoint May 2013 #78

. LWolf May 2013 #10

! BlueCaliDem May 2013 #12

unlike, say, hfojvt May 2013 #14

Aside from a good speech filled with fire and losing Democratic primaries, what has DK ever BlueCaliDem May 2013 #20

If you are going to say Carter cut benefits dsc May 2013 #24

Carter went above and beyond any chained CPI proposed by President Obama. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #32

the difference is in amount not kind dsc May 2013 #45

Thanks for posting this. PragmaticLiberal May 2013 #148

oh, DK has won a few elections to Congress hfojvt May 2013 #33

Ron Paul (R) voted against the IWR as well. Does that make him a Democrat? BlueCaliDem May 2013 #38

In the House of Reps, 126 Democrats voted NO on the IRW. 6 Repubicans did so. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #94

I know the vote totoals. I was trying to make a point that just because DK voted no against the IWR BlueCaliDem May 2013 #98

If that's what you meant to say, your post was very poorly composed. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #103

No. It was correctly composed based on the thread. Perhaps you should have BlueCaliDem May 2013 #108

Teddy Kennedy voted NO. Boxer, No, Stabenow NO, Levin, No.... Bluenorthwest May 2013 #95

Why Is Obama Supporting Any Benefit Cuts If He Is A True Liberal? cantbeserious May 2013 #54

He's not a "true" liberal. Chan790 May 2013 #89

He's never campaigned as a Liberal, true or otherwise. I've known that from the start. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #90

noted: G_j May 2013 #102

Do you even read my posts before commenting?? BlueCaliDem May 2013 #140

I'm pretty sure I read all of them G_j May 2013 #141

I love it when right-wing Democrats call people to their left Republicans. Marr May 2013 #18

I can't decide LWolf May 2013 #19

I love it when ultra-Left "Democrats" call people to their right right-wing Republicans BlueCaliDem May 2013 #34

Ooh- "ultra"! Marr May 2013 #74

Yep. Remember that (unintentionally) hilarious thread where Kooch won the DU primary? Number23 May 2013 #81

Thanks, Number 23. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #91

"lightweight lying con man" Number23 May 2013 #150

What policies do Teabaggers and liberals both support? /nt Marr May 2013 #100

Well, when I see y'all screaming Bobbie Jo May 2013 #112

On the contrary, it obviously was directed at liberals, or "my team" as you call them. Marr May 2013 #127

I'm a liberal Bobbie Jo May 2013 #138

My mistake-- I read "term" as "team" in your previous post. /nt Marr May 2013 #139

Perfect response, Bobbie Jo. I'll leave you to respond to that one though I am surprised Number23 May 2013 #145

Of course, because I'm so afraid of you Marr May 2013 #159

I don't know why you did it. Just know that you did and got your ass roasted as a result Number23 May 2013 #160

Grade A comedy? Marr May 2013 #164

Sure you didn't sparky. You keep telling that tale and some day somebody will buy it Number23 May 2013 #165

"...full circle and join the TeaBaggers on the Right" G_j May 2013 #104

Naw. Pure, 100% truth. eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #105

then prove it G_j May 2013 #106

Jane Hamsher, for one. That's Firedoglake. Many posters here, for more proof. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #111

I didnt make the claim G_j May 2013 #114

Nice cop out. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #115

no you didn't. eom G_j May 2013 #121

Oh, but I think he definitely did. It was a smackdown of epic proportions. That you're unwilling.. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #126

repeat, I did not make the claim G_j May 2013 #128

We'll let others be the judge, mmmkay? Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #129

ok, you can accept this sweeping and definative statement, G_j May 2013 #132

Exactly. When I think of farthest left people I can like Michael Moore or Chris Hedges it rings true raouldukelives May 2013 #109

Governing is compromise. Everyone has an opinion how this country should be BlueCaliDem May 2013 #117

Who the hell are you calling Bobbie Jo May 2013 #97

Wonder if the person you responded to will be so busy starting needless shit as usual Number23 May 2013 #161

! Bobbie Jo May 2013 #163

No he is not. The problem with Dennis is he believes cutting off your nose to spite your face is still_one May 2013 #31

Good points. Admonishment humbly accepted. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #42

Perhaps he is too LEFT for you but he's no Libertarian think May 2013 #50

NAACP average 92%; ACORN 100%; NRA 0%; AFL-CIO average 95%... WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #113

Thanks for the link. Certainly puts things in perspective think May 2013 #119

My pleasure. WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #142

BEAUTIFUL POST! Puglover May 2013 #133

It's the Stepford language and "reasoning" lifted from Crap Blogs... WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #143

It's not loyalty. Puglover May 2013 #147

Understood, and admonishment was not intended or meant still_one May 2013 #61

Universal health care, no cuts to Medicare, SS Yo_Mama May 2013 #40

In the House of Reps, 126 Democrats voted NO on the IRW. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #96

I think this and the Authorization vote Yo_Mama May 2013 #125

Sounds like his answer to Wallace couldn't have been better? senseandsensibility May 2013 #3

Yup. OnyxCollie May 2013 #7

He's the new Alan Colmes... SidDithers May 2013 #4

^^^This^^^ BlueCaliDem May 2013 #25

Dennis never met a camera he didn't like, and of course there's the $$$$$$. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #47

Exactly right. -nt CakeGrrl May 2013 #86

I agree. He thinks they're "laughing with" .. . . HughBeaumont May 2013 #93

+1 uponit7771 May 2013 #116

"How could it not be"? trumad May 2013 #5

enforcing campaign finance laws Enrique May 2013 #8

Try again. former9thward May 2013 #15

IRS has an enforcement role too Enrique May 2013 #26

The IRS is responsible OnyxCollie May 2013 #39

I don't follow Beck so I don't know anything about his rallies. former9thward May 2013 #48

Pay attention to the big picture, not Beck. OnyxCollie May 2013 #83

+1 nt Zorra May 2013 #53

It's "Kucinich." nt LWolf May 2013 #9

Not getting the name right... CanSocDem May 2013 #21

No surprise here. nt LWolf May 2013 #23

Stretching simple things like typos to arrive at totally slanted interpretations is very telling. nt UTUSN May 2013 #36

I hope.... CanSocDem May 2013 #46

Who, exactly, are the "anti-progressive voices" with whom this thread is rife? Orrex May 2013 #49

no.it tells about your assumptions. the "information" is opposition research like what UTUSN May 2013 #58

By the bye, I'm 7 mos older than DK & volunteered into the service and have been voting UTUSN May 2013 #63

Watching FOX "news" LWolf May 2013 #13

Kucinich has always worked tirelessly for Kucinich. Orrex May 2013 #16

"Fawning acolytes" LWolf May 2013 #22

Hey, there's one now! Orrex May 2013 #35

Where is one what? nt LWolf May 2013 #44

I don't like the evolution of his views on reproductive rights either... ljm2002 May 2013 #66

Best post in the thread. (eom) CanSocDem May 2013 #120

"Well I've been standing here for the last 45 minutes, praying think May 2013 #122

Good post. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter May 2013 #146

Absolutely hilariously ironic, shall we say, DevonRex May 2013 #84

Not STILL. LWolf May 2013 #88

"Fawning acolytes"... SidDithers May 2013 #30

dont you two know each other ?let me make the introduction then SwampG8r May 2013 #167

True. Just as Obama has always been working for Obama, and Clinton working for Clinton n/t eridani May 2013 #82

introductions seem to be in order SwampG8r May 2013 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex May 2013 #168

oops SwampG8r May 2013 #170

LOL No problem--it happens! Orrex May 2013 #171

he never got respect from Dems, he travels his own road larkrake May 2013 #17

Antiwar is now a third party platform. Both Dems & Repubs are pro war spending think May 2013 #37

Correct - Democratic Leadership Has Left Democratic Party Principles Behind In A Dust Pile cantbeserious May 2013 #56

You say "now". Was there ever an antiwar plank in the platform? Being anti MIC is... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #64

You are correct. Dems were never "antiwar" and I did misspeak. think May 2013 #71

So the answer is NEVER? Thought so. And this country won't elect an antiwar POTUS. Not gonna..... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #123

Unfortunately you are correct. The Empire loves its glorious wars. think May 2013 #134

We don't particularly care for warmongers, but we don't want anyone who's afraid to give the order, Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #135

Wouldn't know, wouldn't watch Faux Lies if you paid me. 99Forever May 2013 #27

Gotta earn a living SoCalDem May 2013 #28

Dennis gave us the health care. HE DID IT. Nah nah Dennis, if you didnt believe, why did you? graham4anything May 2013 #29

Dude's got bills to pay. AtomicKitten May 2013 #41

Obama must really drive you nuts when he "compromises" (sells out) to Republicans. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #43

Change the channel Lil Missy May 2013 #51

Thank you for the laugh. /nt think May 2013 #52

Does Dennis play golf with powerful Republicans? Invite them to lunch at his house? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #55

Maybe not, but he does sit on one of their Advisory Boards for money. Does that count? Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #124

Dennis's progressive views and ideals have a long history of getting on some people's nerves. Zorra May 2013 #57

Kooch is the epitome of "sound and fury, signifying nothing". He's the new Dick Morris. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #59

Tell me, what percentage of bills introduced ever become law? Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #70

Quite a double standard there. Union Scribe May 2013 #85

Obama wasn't in the US legislature for over a decade, that's where bills start. Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #87

Agreed. I remember being so impressed with him in 2003 ecstatic May 2013 #149

Loser, with a capital "L", that's who Kooch really is. It's always been about him, and he never.... Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #152

lol nt ecstatic May 2013 #154

Dennis needed a job once his gov. Gig ended......now he jumps to the tune of his masters. Gin May 2013 #60

No, you've got it all wrong Orrex May 2013 #67

"..fighting some higher-level battle that you and I can't comprehend." Scurrilous May 2013 #75

On your nerves or not. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #62

So as a Fox viewer, you don't like Kucinich. egduj May 2013 #65

for dems to get on fox news, it helps if they are kinda funny looking and critical of Obama arely staircase May 2013 #68

I'll try not to take that personally! Nt stevenleser May 2013 #72

not that there is anything wrong with that - funny looking and critical of obama arely staircase May 2013 #79

He's a bit of an engima. I like about 90% of what he says and then.. DCBob May 2013 #69

I believe that DK is sincere DonCoquixote May 2013 #73

The Ron Paul Institute advisory board includes Dennis Kucinich. I'd say he jumped the shark but that PeaceNikki May 2013 #76

Wow. You're right... SidDithers May 2013 #77

Yikes, that is news to me maddezmom May 2013 #136

"The Ron Paul Institute advisory board includes Dennis Kucinich." Now, it's official Number23 May 2013 #80

He's always bothered me. PeaceNikki May 2013 #151

Wow! And that's from 2008!! The Krazy Koochies have been in effect for a while, huh? Number23 May 2013 #155

My disdain for him has made some here dislike me for years. PeaceNikki May 2013 #156

Nikki, you're probably running with a much better crowd now Number23 May 2013 #157

Yeesh, there's some awfully sexist bullshit in there, too! PeaceNikki May 2013 #158

He's a STAR now! snooper2 May 2013 #92

"Making some bank, getting to sit next to Hannity while having makeup done--- " Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #130

So you as a FoxNews viewer don't like him? Why are you watching? They want you to Bluenorthwest May 2013 #99

Is there an echo in here? Bobbie Jo May 2013 #101

Why would you presume to know what I support? I don't support FoxNews, the OP Bluenorthwest May 2013 #107

Whooooosh Bobbie Jo May 2013 #110

+1 Tarheel_Dem May 2013 #131

Since you address me so personally, I'll respond the same UTUSN May 2013 #137

He's a hack , always was , always will be bowens43 May 2013 #118

Simply said and entirely accurate. Thank you..... Rowdyboy May 2013 #169

after seeing the duers slamming him SwampG8r May 2013 #144

I laugh at him being on FOX and advisory board of Ron Paul's Institute. Better there than Congress. PeaceNikki May 2013 #153

I am sorry but what he said was not wrong. It is a troubling story. hrmjustin May 2013 #162