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happyslug

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95. How? Each state has the right to regulate trade within its borders
Mon May 13, 2013, 05:58 PM
May 2013

A State can NOT forbid the importation of items made outside the state, if the same item made in the state is legal to sell. On the other hand a State can FORBID the sale of items within its borders, if such a law applies to both sellers within the state and sellers outside the state.

Alcohol is a big exception, when Prohibition was repealed, the repeal also redefined how alcohol can be sold within the states. Here is the appeal of Prohibition Amendment:

AMENDMENT XXI
Passed by Congress February 20, 1933. Ratified December 5, 1933.

Section 1.
The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2.
The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.


Notice the language of Section 2, previous to Prohibition the Federal Courts had ruled it was unconstitutional for a State to make it illegal to import alcohol into the borders of a State, even if that State made such importation, possession, and use illegal. The Federal Courts had ruled if it was legal in a "Wet" State to make and ship Alcohol, the fact it was being shipped to a "Dry" State, which forbade Alcohol could NOT be made a crime for all acts were done in the "Wet" State not the "Dry" State. The courts did rule once in the "Dry" State the "Dry" State could confiscate the Alcohol, but only if it was clearly for use within the "Dry" State. Section 2 of the Repeal of Prohibition was to address this problem, a problem that had been one of reason for passing Federal Prohibition in the first place. Thus a state can make it a crime to IMPORT alcohol to into that state, even if the importers NEVER stepped into that state.

Notice, this is a narrow exception to the previous rule. applying only to Alcohol.

On the other hand, the Federal Courts that had ruled that it was unconstitutional for a State to forbid the importation of Alcohol into that same State, had also ruled against other forms of State Economic Regulation, a position reversed in the 1930s when the Courts started to permit the States to better regulate commerce.

Thus today, States have more leeway in regulation of commerce then the State had prior to the Great Depression. In many ways, Section 2 of the Repeal of Prohibition, while itself restricted to Alcohol, became the general rule from the Great Depression onward.

This gets to be complicated when it comes to large ticket items, like cars. If a regulation is clearly intended to favor in state car sellers, it violates the rights of sellers in other states. On the other hand, if a state just passes a law that all cars, sold to residence, must be through a dealer, even of the dealer is NOT within the borders of the State, that is a "Neutral" meant to regulate commerce not favor in state businesses over out of state businesses.

In the case of Tesla, this is an issue Car Dealers have fought since the end of WWII, i.e. trying to force all new car sales through dealers instead of through other means of commerce. Can the States regulate Commerce? The answer is clearly yes, UNLESS the regulation has more to do with discriminating against sellers of the item who happen to be from other States then with protecting consumers. The Federal Court will defer to the State Legislature when it comes to such determination UNLESS it can be clearly shown protection of in state interests was more important then protecting consumers.

Tesla is the largest seller of high price items whose business model do NOT use local dealers (Computers are no longer high price, even when home computers cost a couple of thousand dollars, no one considered them a true high price item like an automobile, computers could be purchased locally, but also shipped in, thus no push for special laws to protect sellers of Computers, unlike Automobile dealers who have fought for such laws since WWII).

Tesla has a valid constitutional argument, that such a law restricts out of state "dealers" from doing business within those states with such restrictions. Please note that is an argument not the law. The States also have a valid constitutional argument, the State's right to regulate commerce to protect consumers permit them to require all Automobile sale occur through dealers. It will be interesting how the courts will rule.



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After a century of buying legislation in 50 states, never underestimate the power of the Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #1
"Automobile industry" is inaccurate naaman fletcher May 2013 #53
All new NC cars now have to be 60's muscle cars. longship May 2013 #2
You forgot the F-350 dualies and Suburbans n2doc May 2013 #8
20 MPG??? What are ya, a communist? longship May 2013 #12
Diesel n2doc May 2013 #13
Diesel? In a car????? longship May 2013 #14
Diesel's a bastard fuel. Thor_MN May 2013 #66
And all the Humvees I see all over the place in my county. Jamastiene May 2013 #71
...on blocks rucky May 2013 #9
i want one frodoland May 2013 #35
I had a 65 Mustang back in the day it was the late 70-early 80's when I had it TeamPooka May 2013 #37
I hate you. malthaussen May 2013 #55
I looked good in that car too. TeamPooka May 2013 #56
Get another one rickford66 May 2013 #88
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #40
Yayyy! Welcome! n/t dogknob May 2013 #49
TBH, I don't think so, man. In fact, they'd probably have outlawed those, too, if given the chance. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #44
You may have something there, my friend. ;) longship May 2013 #50
This has nothing to do with it being an electric car naaman fletcher May 2013 #54
Exactly..... paleotn May 2013 #81
Re-issue the blue metalic 1968 Plymouth GTX w/440w ...only a Super Bee beat me... L0oniX May 2013 #59
And NO car is permitted to get better than 4.5 mpg. n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #76
I was thinking NC's state car would be the El Camino. Apophis May 2013 #94
Since the last election, North Carolina Laurian May 2013 #3
You can say that again. Jamastiene May 2013 #72
Interesting how businesses want less government interference... ljm2002 May 2013 #4
I've noticed that too. Lunacee_2013 May 2013 #36
Stupidity reigns in the Carolina legislatures. silverweb May 2013 #5
That's a good point. gateley May 2013 #7
An S costs $100K? I know the Roadster did, but I thought this model was gateley May 2013 #6
The long distance battery brings it up to $90k. joshcryer May 2013 #29
Ah, I guess I was thinking of the "entry level" model. gateley May 2013 #33
Yeah, it's going to be interesting if they can bring the price down. joshcryer May 2013 #48
I wish them success! gateley May 2013 #51
Tesla will shoot it out in federal court. kenny blankenship May 2013 #10
and win; elleng May 2013 #27
How? Each state has the right to regulate trade within its borders happyslug May 2013 #95
Agreed. HooptieWagon May 2013 #87
Communist bastards! baldguy May 2013 #11
Government picking the winners. moondust May 2013 #15
I'll have to run that offer by the sales manager.......... rdharma May 2013 #16
I like you folks, tell ya' what I'm gonna do. Now, the boss ain't gonna like it.. IDemo May 2013 #26
NC again? Canuckistanian May 2013 #17
At least we're not Mississippi! rdharma May 2013 #28
My, how far we have fallen in NC. Jamastiene May 2013 #73
fucking with interstate commerce? GeorgeGist May 2013 #18
There ya go with that pesky Constitution again! mbperrin May 2013 #19
:) GiaGiovanni May 2013 #21
Well, basically, this current legislature in NC is totally eschewing the US Constitution Jamastiene May 2013 #74
The Texas Legislature just passed a bill that makes it a felony for state or local law enforcement mbperrin May 2013 #80
in fairness the religion thing didn't pass dsc May 2013 #84
Well, all righty then! mbperrin May 2013 #85
much less that mucho fabulous, God given gift paleotn May 2013 #82
years ago dune buggies were all the rage--put a new body on an old drivetrain dembotoz May 2013 #20
It doesn't matter anyway. mick063 May 2013 #22
As I've said: we're not going to just crash the ship into the dock.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #25
Didn't NC "legislate" maximum sea level rise a few years ago.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #23
Xerxes ... Trajan May 2013 #30
Silly me. It's a successful strategy after all. Junkdrawer May 2013 #32
"That'll show it!" sofa king May 2013 #60
THAT is a keeper!!! Junkdrawer May 2013 #90
Reposted as an OP here: Junkdrawer May 2013 #91
Very cool! sofa king May 2013 #92
You're under arrest, God. Dash87 May 2013 #89
I'd love to hear them explain ThoughtCriminal May 2013 #24
Easy answer .. Trajan May 2013 #31
lol - you just gave me a vision of Abbott & Costello doing a Benghazi version of Who's on 1st TeamPooka May 2013 #39
Yep! BENGHAZI = LIBERTY & FREEDUMB! Just do as they tell you! freshwest May 2013 #46
Why is it I'm not surprised? ruffburr May 2013 #34
They should call it the "we want our piece of the action" law TeamPooka May 2013 #38
I Foresee a Commerce Clause Court Case in NC's Future dballance May 2013 #41
Sounds reasonable. They can only prohibit intrastate. *Not an attorney* freshwest May 2013 #47
that is F'D up ZRT2209 May 2013 #42
FREE MARKET HYPOCRITES ZRT2209 May 2013 #43
Not surprised at this kind of stupidity. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #45
There should be a NASCAR for Electric cars only riverbendviewgal May 2013 #52
Next we will hear them claim all USED cars must be from a dealer... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #57
They may or may not be trusted adieu May 2013 #58
Unconstitutional msskwesq May 2013 #61
The phrase "restraint of trade" came into my head when I read this. Demoiselle May 2013 #96
They believe in Freedom Smog! 20score May 2013 #62
my home state legislature is doin' bluemarkers May 2013 #63
They will probably use their business licensing laws to justify this jmowreader May 2013 #64
I can't fathom why gopiscrap May 2013 #65
RWers, "Let the market decide. Except when it desides agin us!!" Plus what are the chances that Monk06 May 2013 #67
Free the markets! lrellok May 2013 #68
Isn't that interfearnce in the free flow of commerce... WCGreen May 2013 #69
North Carolina is not allowed... nikto May 2013 #70
Yes, this proposed NC law is crass ... but ... mwooldri May 2013 #75
Of course this has nothing to do with the Tesla... Bay Boy May 2013 #77
It's not that the Tesla is an electric car. GETPLANING May 2013 #78
Someone from NC can fly to CA to buy Autumn Colors May 2013 #79
So? bobclark86 May 2013 #83
There's no need for a law for this Tab May 2013 #86
Well, those who could afford a Tesla EC May 2013 #93
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