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Savannahmann

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61. I am always suspicious when something is endorsed by Big Business.
Mon May 13, 2013, 07:06 PM
May 2013

In this case, Amazon.com. Now in honesty and fairness, I've bought many things from Amazon, things that either were not available locally, or were exceedingly inconvenient to get locally, generally speaking.

Now, that the honesty is out of the way, to the opinion. At this time, there is no software that will do everything for you that this legislation will require. When there is some such software, that will categorize products based upon their proper tax category, it will be exceedingly expensive. Now, what I mean by that is here in Georgia, food stuff for example, is taxed at a lower rate than other types of products. So someone is going to have to categorize every product, and check that categorization against every single taxation zone in the nation. In many cities, one part of the city will have a higher sales tax, because it is a separate city, than another part of the larger metropolitan area. Then there is the question of physical location. If I live in Georgia, but buy something in South Carolina, I pay south carolina sales tax, because I bought it there. But if I live in a suburb of Savannah GA, and am having the product shipped there, but am in downtown Savannah when I order it, which local gets the sales tax? If I had physically bought it in Savannah, I would have paid Savannah Sales tax right?

The biggest reason I am wary, is because of the reporting requirement. If I own a business, and do sales in Georgia, brick and mortar sales, I can be audited by the state department of revenue at any time that I submit my monthly reports and payments. However, under this law, would I have to make myself available to any of the states that I make sales to? Technically wouldn't I fall under their laws, and their auditing procedures? If the software maker enters some data wrong, and I submit it thinking it's honest and correct, will I still have to fly across the country to appear as commanded by some auditor? Or will I have to hire a lawyer, sight unseen, to appear for me locally in whatever jurisdiction that is demanded?

Amazon doesn't care, they have the lawyers, they have the accountants, they are big enough to afford that without huge overhead. Small business's don't have the money to do it. They say oh, it's a million dollars in sales before you qualify. OK, a million dollars in sales, which if the business has a large mark up of 10%, means that they are bringing in less than $100k profit gross. That is before whatever overhead they have.

This feels like it is targeting the little guy, in favor of the big business, wrapped in the flag of fairness. I don't think it's going to bring in a fraction of the money they claim it will. I don't think that the small business folks will play the game, I think they'll shut down before they get to the threshold for the year, and refuse any business until the next year. If they don't make the money, they don't have to get taxed and have the cost of compliance.

I also think that Amazon and the other big boys are trying to use this to get rid of the annoying little competition that dares to sell on the internet from their basement or garage.

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Internet Sales Tax [View all] liberalmike27 May 2013 OP
Full Text of Article liberalmike27 May 2013 #1
"if we buy something we should come home and pay taxes on that" jberryhill May 2013 #2
Living in AL liberalmike27 May 2013 #8
Adding liberalmike27 May 2013 #9
You seem to be misdirected jberryhill May 2013 #12
"only a moron is going to cut a check to the State, for stuff they've bought elsewhere" jberryhill May 2013 #10
You most certainly do NOT pay that tax to the other state joeglow3 May 2013 #22
So I buy a product from Italy and install it here and then ship it to customer in another state... L0oniX May 2013 #37
Italy is not in the United States jberryhill May 2013 #40
Ummm, are you really in business? joeglow3 May 2013 #43
Cal Thomas is an ultra-conservative Ron Paul/Bush/Steve Forbes republican graham4anything May 2013 #3
Thing Is liberalmike27 May 2013 #6
But it's not an extra tax kcr May 2013 #11
But, it wasn't being collected because ... oldhippie May 2013 #18
Sounds like regulation of interstate commerce to me jberryhill May 2013 #19
Uh, no. That would be .... oldhippie May 2013 #23
I referred to two things jberryhill May 2013 #26
Agree on Thing 1 ... oldhippie May 2013 #33
Can you honestly tell me ...... oldhippie May 2013 #27
Flat taxes are regressive. DebJ May 2013 #4
Flat taxes are regressive, yes liberalmike27 May 2013 #5
There is a hidden assumption in your figures jberryhill May 2013 #21
I have no problem with the internet sales tax as long as the tax goes to the Larkspur May 2013 #7
"...but I don't pay it because it's a hassle and easily forgotten. " oldhippie May 2013 #20
I use Turbo Tax to do my 1040 form Larkspur May 2013 #30
OK, I understand now ...... oldhippie May 2013 #36
Yep jberryhill May 2013 #42
I would rather the States .... oldhippie May 2013 #44
No, they are not going to be contacting anyone and lying to them jberryhill May 2013 #47
Hello? oldhippie May 2013 #48
My eyes aren't that bad jberryhill May 2013 #52
If the state wants the tax, then they have to find a way to enforce it Larkspur May 2013 #49
My state has a line in it's tax code concerning out of state purchases. bluestate10 May 2013 #65
Tax is for things that cost the nation and state and county and city money. L0oniX May 2013 #13
How do those purchases appear at your door? jberryhill May 2013 #14
Gas, tire, property and other taxes already pay for that. L0oniX May 2013 #15
Then why did you include it in your list? jberryhill May 2013 #17
So hows that tax thing working out for Delaware? L0oniX May 2013 #24
"a counter attack on you"? jberryhill May 2013 #29
But those goods don't magically appear on store shelves. joeglow3 May 2013 #25
Yes, and? jberryhill May 2013 #32
I agree with you, but in a stronger sense joeglow3 May 2013 #35
Ah jberryhill May 2013 #38
Once can argue the merits and demerits of sales taxt, but this is collecting taxes already owed. JHB May 2013 #16
Most store front operations sell online too as I am sure you know... L0oniX May 2013 #31
It seems like you are making an odd connection here joeglow3 May 2013 #39
Oh jeeze ...another reframe to promote an argument on DU. Whatever pffft n/t L0oniX May 2013 #41
So, won't answer the question, huh? oldhippie May 2013 #45
Whether I buy online or in a brick and mortar has nothing to do with taxes. RC May 2013 #46
"Sales tax is small potatoes compared to the income taxes that are not being paid" jberryhill May 2013 #53
The federal Government does not have a sales tax. RC May 2013 #56
The federal government is not proposing one either jberryhill May 2013 #57
Not just personal income tax, but ALL Federal income tax, corporate and personal. RC May 2013 #58
Am I in the right place? FreeJoe May 2013 #28
"to not bias them in favor of the well off" jberryhill May 2013 #34
it's only good if it's a federal tax alc May 2013 #50
"So I'd use some service to manage it" jberryhill May 2013 #54
One principle should be abundantly clear: only regressive taxes need indepat May 2013 #51
What are the demographics of internet purchasers? jberryhill May 2013 #55
I know not, but suspect the big-league professional basketball, football, and hockey players, who indepat May 2013 #59
Nothing like good, hard data jberryhill May 2013 #60
A relatively well off, well educated group of people. They should pay the damned taxes. nt bluestate10 May 2013 #66
I am always suspicious when something is endorsed by Big Business. Savannahmann May 2013 #61
Good business people understand money flow and document every movement. bluestate10 May 2013 #67
Here be the rub. Savannahmann May 2013 #68
Yeah, because... jberryhill May 2013 #69
Have you ever noticed that the rich folks never get audited? Savannahmann May 2013 #70
Great post SavannahMann liberalmike27 May 2013 #62
I support an Internet sales tax and want it implemented asap. bluestate10 May 2013 #63
Republicans LOVE sales taxes alarimer May 2013 #64
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