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DonCoquixote

(13,963 posts)
171. A gen X response
Tue May 14, 2013, 02:49 AM
May 2013

OK, first, let me fire off the standard disclaimers. I do admire a lot of what the Boomers have done. I listen to Bob Dylan, Neil Young, and Pink Floyd. However, most myths, even those with a lot of hard facts behind them, have a very toxic byproduct; a layer of bullshit that can kill.

It is true that the generations after you did not make as much of an impact as you did. There were far less of us than you, and while you came in enjoying the economy and power that the "greatest generation" had handed you, we Xers were around when the tab for the Reagan years was coming due. Granted, many of us would have voted against Reagan if we could, but we did not have the chance to keep him out of office, unlike YOUR generation did. Despite that, we soldiered on, even making a former cold war project called the internet a major part of the economy. Yes, there were companies that went bust, but the fact that you are reading this message showed that what we started did not become a passing fad, to say nothing of the fact that even many boomers have Yahoo, Facebook, and Twitter accounts.

However, you still called us "slackers", even though many of us were working on jobs your greatest gen moms and ads would have never let you work at, much less work two of them. Never mind the fact our college degrees not only became worthless, but an actual burden that kept many of us in debt. Never mind that, especially in the case of the Milennials, they never knew anything but an economy that was wrecked, and a nation always in some war. The world the later generations grew up in was a lot more dangerous than your world, and we were always a lot more disposable, especially since a bunch of Boomer execs feel in love with outsourcing, you know, that industry that put a whole generation of technicians and Blue collar workers out of work:

Here is a Boomer talking about how much she loves outsourcing. She might be familiar, especially to those starting the mere that she should be our next president:



Aw, but but, she woulda fought harder for our jobs, right?

They were not handed the keys, hell, even in pop culture, the same guys that wanted to send their parents off the Ice Floe were ruthless about defending what they got. People mentioned Jay Leno. Jay Leno was handed the Tonight Show, which at that time was an American institution, thanks to Johnny Carson. His manager, Helen Mushnick, kept telling NBC they get to get rid of Johnny, that he was too old, never mind the fact everyone knew him. Well Jay got the job, and Carson was so bitter at NBC he told David Letterman to screw NBC before they screwed him. Fats forward a few years, where Jay Leno gets old. He backs off his publicly stated promise to turn the show over to the Gen X (and popular with Milennials) Conan O' Brien. You see, Carson was old, but he was special. I use this to show an example of the behavior some Boomers have shown, and why those younger than them roll their eyes when they try to enforce their cult of the best generation ever.

I know the post cold war era was supposed to be all about peace dividends, but funny how, even when Bill Clinton, the very embodiment of your generation's hopes, the one that made Doonesbury say "I have waited all my life for this administration", funny, when he came along, all that peace dividend stuff went out in Cigar smoke. Part of the reason the Russians supp rt Putin is that they remember how, after Gorbachev, the US came in and tried to pick the Russian's corpse clean, making it safe for "capitalism."

So, my point is not to say All Boomers are bad, indeed, there are many of you that, to quote Neil Young, "keep on Rocking in the Free World", they keep on making clear, principled, uncompromising stands.Heaven knows I may even butt heads with them, but I know when things go down, they are mentors and comrades. We even did our own little protest called OWS, which failed for many reasons, but part of which is that many rich Boomer Yuppies decided to fling Bullshit at the kids, or were at least silent when the media did. Of course, for the 15th time,we will vote Hillary for 2016 if she wins the primary, that same primary many people are trying to smother in the crib as we speak. Yes we are prepared for the inevitable media which will say she was better than anyone else, ever, because the Boomers will not want their two presidencies to be defined by Bill and W. Bill was someone who could have been great, but he wanted his money, his cigars, and his women. He wagged his finger and lied, and therefore became known as someone you might like, but never trust, especially when he supports the Keystone pipeline. As far as W. goes, really, do we need to got THERE? He was living proof that not all Boomers were principled peace love dope types. This country will be digging out of his mess for decades, and since China is rising (thanks to Bill giving it WTO status) our chances of ever seeing a generation of Americans as wealthy as the Boomers is very likely as dead as the Dodo. Of course, who would want to have that as a legacy, Let Hillary in there, give the Boomers eight more years of running the country to prove they can do things right, or not.

In short, we do not hate you, but some of you frankly are still coasting off of what the Greatest generation gave you. There are Boomers acts like Neil Young, or Eric Clapton, who always try to listen to their times, and be relevant for those times, even if it pisses some of their old fans off who want just want them to play only the old songs. Then, there are the nostalgia acts, the Paul McCartneys that have not written a decent tune since 1980, yet still fill stadiums because fans are hoping he will play "Yesterday."

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Translation: "Get off my lawn, you damn kids!" BlueStater May 2013 #1
Joel Stein is 100% correct. and Mr. Wilson knew best. graham4anything May 2013 #3
Young people voted overwhelmingly for Barack Obama. BlueStater May 2013 #10
Dinosaurs? HappyMe May 2013 #17
graham is the one who called elderly people "dinosaurs". BlueStater May 2013 #20
Dennis the Menace still is in the comics section. N/t alp227 May 2013 #13
and the TV show is on AntennaTV (114 in the NYC area) graham4anything May 2013 #15
Here's what we made for them RobertEarl May 2013 #4
Were there any accomplishments that could be lauded, such as polio vaccine, or a man bike man May 2013 #35
I'm staying out of generational warfare, but boomers had nothing to do with developing either Tom Ripley May 2013 #73
Upon rereading the OP, one can find this tidbit "...The incidence of narcissistic bike man May 2013 #96
I didn't do that... Bay Boy May 2013 #130
No future = no morality.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #146
Trespassing can be a serious matter. Except when it's YOU, right? closeupready May 2013 #12
What do you know? graham actually has ONE supporter in this thread. BlueStater May 2013 #25
The implication of that tired retort is, the rules don't apply when closeupready May 2013 #34
My implication was clear to everyone except for you. BlueStater May 2013 #38
I think you're confusing 'inference' with 'implication'... LanternWaste May 2013 #39
Likely - it is Monday, after all. Anyway, I don't expect closeupready May 2013 #56
"Don't you have about 200 billion 'Hillary 2016' posts to make?" Apophis May 2013 #27
Then there's the seating arrangements for the inaugural ball... JHB May 2013 #85
DLC dems gotta stick together dontcha know?nt SwampG8r May 2013 #147
Garbage marions ghost May 2013 #2
Of course family is important to the ME ME ME, as they still LIVE with the family Me graham4anything May 2013 #7
How long has it been since you actually did a day's work? Marr May 2013 #9
+1 demmiblue May 2013 #42
+1 leftstreet May 2013 #48
WRONG question graham4anything May 2013 #50
You think you're special? Marr May 2013 #66
+1 Joneses generation here, feel so sorry for younger people. LiberalLoner May 2013 #77
+10 for the Generation Jones reference JHB May 2013 #114
Another +1 demmiblue May 2013 #84
+1 L0oniX May 2013 #94
I don't know when you went to college but I do know when I did dsc May 2013 #123
What a surprise. Bonobo May 2013 #161
I like Cher too.(Cher is an oldie but goodie.)Looked up Barakas. Interesting sound graham4anything May 2013 #162
Yeah, 80-20 and Al Sharpton is the only one you listen to. Bonobo May 2013 #163
why not stop being personal and argue the article. 80-20 is the 2013 PEACE symbol. graham4anything May 2013 #165
I agree it's not 50-50. Bonobo May 2013 #166
Before you go all radically and progressively sarcastic on someone, please consider Skidmore May 2013 #177
You think working a minimum wage now Bonobo May 2013 #178
I know that people...young and old... have the same needs for survival. Skidmore May 2013 #179
I have both gray hair and an aching body. Bonobo May 2013 #186
Good for you. Many of us have walked that road but Skidmore May 2013 #193
+1 Thank you for the courage to speak up. graham4anything May 2013 #190
+1 On This JustAnotherGen May 2013 #60
'Gen X'ers are Cynical Assholes' bullet! LondonReign2 May 2013 #88
That's because JustAnotherGen May 2013 #111
Not dodged, it's just implicit in these Millenial vs Boomer catfights. cemaphonic May 2013 #124
Ironic, isn't it? wickerwoman May 2013 #173
+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 May 2013 #74
+1 Newest Reality May 2013 #78
+1 hammer time L0oniX May 2013 #95
K an R DonCoquixote May 2013 #137
I'd say he's ''working'' right now. I'm starting to Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #138
. Junkdrawer May 2013 #143
just one of many nt SwampG8r May 2013 #150
I've had that thought since day one. Apophis May 2013 #170
So wrong marions ghost May 2013 #19
Why are you so determined JNelson6563 May 2013 #187
This kind of crap helps, how? geek tragedy May 2013 #5
This is just another shit stirring thread Rex May 2013 #106
Sometimes I wonder if you're actually *trying* to drive people away. /nt Marr May 2013 #6
This is TIME magazine's cover story. May 20, 2013. sheesh. graham4anything May 2013 #8
The mailman? Didn't you order the subscription? Bluenorthwest May 2013 #52
I bet if one of those whiny alt-media worked for time, others would have posted it graham4anything May 2013 #61
Whiny Alt-Media HangOnKids May 2013 #80
President Obama speaks for the liberal democratic party & so does his first SOS graham4anything May 2013 #102
The act is getting old, nice to see people catching on. Rex May 2013 #107
You are hilarious. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #93
There are a number of possibilities JHB May 2013 #197
You throw around the term "alt-media" burnodo May 2013 #132
there is NO media that supports President Obama. Therefore there is a faux analogy graham4anything May 2013 #135
"alt-media" because you don't like what they have to say burnodo May 2013 #136
The Alt-media is all playing their angle, oh so predictable Ron Paul style. graham4anything May 2013 #139
you have left out SwampG8r May 2013 #154
I'm a young guy in my 20s, y'know in the post-print generation. alp227 May 2013 #98
He's trying to make DU look bad, IMHO. The haters come here to spread their hate and kestrel91316 May 2013 #75
It's all an act to make liberals look like morons Guy Whitey Corngood May 2013 #148
I agree with this. closeupready May 2013 #11
Every generation has it's lazy, self-involved asshats. HappyMe May 2013 #14
The Greatest Generation can claim Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon. BlueStater May 2013 #41
Of course not. HappyMe May 2013 #53
There's selfish people in every generation. BlueStater May 2013 #67
If you don't stand for something, you're graham4anything. HughBeaumont May 2013 #16
Hell, 'the greatest generation' and others said the same thing about boomers, for that matter Cirque du So-What May 2013 #18
Thank you marions ghost May 2013 #22
I hope NObody from ANY generation buys into it Cirque du So-What May 2013 #72
Exactly marions ghost May 2013 #109
I love that quote. sibelian May 2013 #191
You don't like Bob Graham? Why? President Obama is OLD School in a New body. graham4anything May 2013 #23
I'm a Floridian. Bob Graham was my senator at one point. BlueStater May 2013 #29
TIME MAGAZINE cover story, this weeks issue. I didn't write it. graham4anything May 2013 #51
You're agreeing with it, aren't you? I can attribute its words to your own viewpoint. BlueStater May 2013 #65
i have actually met gov graham SwampG8r May 2013 #158
Does anyone have a GPS to the point? HughBeaumont May 2013 #40
Galloping tangent alert LondonReign2 May 2013 #91
Haha, any attacks on Millennials by Boomers is ridiculous. Hosnon May 2013 #21
What utter bulshit. marions ghost May 2013 #24
Not at all. See the rebuttal article posted upthread. Hosnon May 2013 #26
I think that's bullshit too. HappyMe May 2013 #37
Boomers also liberalized the culture and stopped the war in Vietnam flamingdem May 2013 #81
vietnam (with soviet help) stopped the war in vietnam BOG PERSON May 2013 #145
Top of the google list shows you're not right flamingdem May 2013 #168
The boomers were the last generation to have it better off than their parents tabbycat31 May 2013 #90
boomers' parents were handed an incredible society/economy BOG PERSON May 2013 #131
Yep, the "greatest generation" took damn good care of themselves. bemildred May 2013 #195
Horseshit. They cannot even agree on what "narcissistic personality disorder" is. bemildred May 2013 #28
When a person spends all day long with an iPod or cell phone glued to their ear BlueStreak May 2013 #43
Right, young people can be immature, and old people can be grumpy. Big deal. bemildred May 2013 #47
Have you been in a position of trying to hire any of these people? BlueStreak May 2013 #59
What business is it of yours? nt bemildred May 2013 #64
I don't believe it is the usual generational immaturity. BlueStreak May 2013 #116
OK, thank you for an intelligent argument. bemildred May 2013 #127
OK, let's see if we can find some common ground here. bemildred May 2013 #194
I think that's part of it for sure BlueStreak May 2013 #196
Copacetic. bemildred May 2013 #198
Turtle on the fencepost BlueStreak May 2013 #200
I think they gave us a chance to vote on it, and we did. bemildred May 2013 #201
I hear you, but I don't think they are stereotypes. The division is real. BlueStreak May 2013 #202
Well, I get stuck on that, let me think about it. nt bemildred May 2013 #203
Takes an awfully simplistic mind to come up with stuff and an even more simplistic mind to agree... LanternWaste May 2013 #30
I'm right on the cusp of Boomer/GenX RevStPatrick May 2013 #31
Exactly. Thanks for posting this. bayareamike May 2013 #70
Millenials should wait to "save the world" flamingdem May 2013 #83
some courageous millenial must go + start this century's world war cycle BOG PERSON May 2013 #133
good point however flamingdem May 2013 #142
Mostly true snooper2 May 2013 #32
Sending emails at 2AM is not necessarily "working" BlueStreak May 2013 #57
Previous generations did not have to send emails at 2am tabbycat31 May 2013 #100
I actually agree with every word of that. I am talking effect and you are talking cause. BlueStreak May 2013 #119
When I'm on call, sending and receiving phone calls is part of the job description-- hence, it is in LanternWaste May 2013 #113
Odd... I thought only idiots reached a conclusion based on anecdotal and incomplete information. LanternWaste May 2013 #112
Oh look, another "Young people are shit with their Snapples and their skateboards Arkana May 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Dash87 May 2013 #36
We can't get high paying jobs and the ones we can get don't pay enough that we can afford rent. Initech May 2013 #44
I shared an apt with 4 others. If you don't get along with others then I guess you are on your own.. L0oniX May 2013 #97
Here in Southern California rent averages $1400/month. Initech May 2013 #115
I like the younger generations. Arugula Latte May 2013 #45
Any discussion involving generations is corporate BS, designed to snagglepuss May 2013 #46
You should make this an OP leftstreet May 2013 #49
Yes, it's a cliche, babble. bemildred May 2013 #55
Divide & Conquer Corporatists, Inc. Berlum May 2013 #58
Yes, but I hear negative talk about Boomers by Millenials anyway flamingdem May 2013 #82
It's often BS, but "corporate BS"? Silent3 May 2013 #63
Of course it's corporist. Who but the corporate media create and perpetuate these memes? snagglepuss May 2013 #76
You mean like the corporate media in ancient Rome... Silent3 May 2013 #101
That it was pushed by one interest once upon a time doesn't deny that it is being pushed by another, LanternWaste May 2013 #122
One should also be aware... Silent3 May 2013 #169
yeah, all the generational BS is awful tired n/t fishwax May 2013 #156
Damn It Feels Good To Be JustAnotherGen May 2013 #54
Millenials are lazy? bayareamike May 2013 #62
You're not starting inter-generational warfare. That was done in the OP DisgustipatedinCA May 2013 #68
.... HappyMe May 2013 #69
I'm not sure what this means. bayareamike May 2013 #71
Give me a break. ForgoTheConsequence May 2013 #79
Well said. You said it better than I could've. nt bayareamike May 2013 #108
. JHB May 2013 #86
Social capital is in decline. Is it the millenials fault? Doesn't really matter. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #87
the generation was also raised to fear strangers tabbycat31 May 2013 #128
The OP and the link both amount to a steaming pantload. Quantess May 2013 #89
Yep +++++ marions ghost May 2013 #110
+++ Starry Messenger May 2013 #118
They've grown up knowing nothing but war MannyGoldstein May 2013 #92
Isn't narcissism part of being young? nt valerief May 2013 #99
103 posts on. BlueStater May 2013 #103
It is funny watching him pretend. Rex May 2013 #104
I hate generation gap type wars. Hate them! lunatica May 2013 #105
Lazy whippersnappers .99center May 2013 #117
And who was it that RAISED THEM to be lazy? Megalo_Man May 2013 #120
I think this article is crap. GaYellowDawg May 2013 #121
Says the generatiok of folks who want the party to roll on until they get theirs... Earth_First May 2013 #125
Given that the millennials were the ones with boots on the ground in Iraq muntrv May 2013 #126
This! They were some of them, maybe most!-NT Anansi1171 May 2013 #134
These kind of articles never refer to the working class nt flamingdem May 2013 #141
that is what they said about my generation back in the 60"s except people didn't use such big words Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #129
What? past generations were alot more cultured than the kids today graham4anything May 2013 #144
"I walked 15 miles to school in the snow with no shoes!" BlueStater May 2013 #149
Same people that hated Abe Lincoln seem to hate Barack Obama. graham4anything May 2013 #151
I have no idea how old you are. BlueStater May 2013 #153
Abraham Lincoln is still alive and living inside Barack Obama angle. graham4anything May 2013 #159
the dream has come to life BOG PERSON May 2013 #164
change headline to cprompt May 2013 #140
i'm a gen-xer who works 10 jobs BOG PERSON May 2013 #152
EVERY generation has its "me" moments SoCalDem May 2013 #155
nonsense (like most generation-based analysis) n/t fishwax May 2013 #157
How did I know this was you? curlyred May 2013 #160
I'm 19. I voted for Obama in the CA Primary and General Elections last year. DEMTough May 2013 #167
A gen X response DonCoquixote May 2013 #171
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #199
Needing attention again, eh graham4cash? Fumesucker May 2013 #172
I still don't know why you're allowed to post on this site Cali_Democrat May 2013 #174
Has it occurred to you that the reason OwnedByCats May 2013 #175
Last time Time Magazine sold out an entire generation... rucky May 2013 #176
I don't buy what Time is selling either fasttense May 2013 #180
Nah, I disagree.Think about past-Now,every minority and every young woman can be President. graham4anything May 2013 #183
Blame the parents and the media malaise May 2013 #181
Two can play the generational warfare game. Demo_Chris May 2013 #182
you make a good point graham4anything May 2013 #184
wow DonCoquixote May 2013 #185
May I humbly add to that? DonCoquixote May 2013 #189
Well said. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #205
I hate to say this, but damn, Graham, I am really disappointed in you today. AverageJoe90 May 2013 #188
Maybe I should have said he is 100% correct in CERTAIN cases lol graham4anything May 2013 #192
100%... in certain cases... SomethingFishy May 2013 #207
This sort of generational warfare is just one more form of 'divide and rule' LeftishBrit May 2013 #204
-1 demmiblue May 2013 #206
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