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Cosmocat

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102. How does that change anything?

Tue May 14, 2013, 06:08 AM

May 2013

Seriously.

How does his "going to war" with them change anything?

The republicans work with 100 percent unity against him.

How does his "going to war" change that?

All it does is provide them with some actual evidence of how they try to paint him as being difficult, and chip away at the bare minimum of public support he has.

45% of the country is pretty much going to hate him regardless.

Feckle democrats will come and go on things.

The mushy 10 percent in the middle sees the MASSIVE disconnect between what he does and says and how the republicans scream about him and generally side with him.

The moment he goes to the mattresses with the Rs it allows them to discard him as "being the same as the rest of them .."

All this going to war with republicans will do is provide US with some cathartic relief.

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NYT editorial: Time for Obama 'to abandon his hopes of reaching a grand budget bargain' with GOP [View all] Newsjock May 2013 OP

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It needs to be added to the door... davidthegnome May 2013 #95

The paper of record joins the rest of us nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #2

Agreed... MattSh May 2013 #8

It's a false narrative... Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #57

Republicans shut down the government under Clinton. JDPriestly May 2013 #60

Yep, Newtser did that along with the other Iliyah May 2013 #64

"Republicans used to be rational although wrong." Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #65

does the rest of us, include one of us? CreekDog May 2013 #17

Obama won't let up on this. MannyGoldstein May 2013 #3

The Great Manny the mind reader sees all knows all ... JoePhilly May 2013 #23

or rather, Manny's seen a five-year Obama track record... villager May 2013 #30

Sorry ... JoePhilly May 2013 #32

Hope you are right, but the evidence indicates you aren't Android3.14 May 2013 #43

We certainly don't have "change" -- but right! Hope! villager May 2013 #47

What evidence are you referring to? JoePhilly May 2013 #62

Sherlock Holmes you're not. bornskeptic May 2013 #63

Respectfully disagree. lark May 2013 #54

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You don't suppose all of that screaming A Simple Game May 2013 #86

You very confidently and haughtily predicted he'd never *offer* to cut SS. Marr May 2013 #87

Shhh. Those people don't like you bringing up that kind of thing. Jakes Progress May 2013 #90

Yeah. Let's ignore the past. Jakes Progress May 2013 #89

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And this would revere him to--just whom again? maddiemom May 2013 #46

When every time you reach across the aisle The Velveteen Ocelot May 2013 #4

I think that when you reach across the aisle you're not supposed to pump so vigorously Dragonfli May 2013 #16

With a pineapple. KamaAina May 2013 #72

When the NYT has to explain reality to you Kelvin Mace May 2013 #5

Picture this..... mick063 May 2013 #6

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+1 flamingdem May 2013 #50

Isn't he doing what the "majority" of Americans say they want him to do. sadbear May 2013 #7

Where did you get an idea like that? Got any support for your assertion? Bluenorthwest May 2013 #18

Do you live on earth? Where's your push poll? rotflmao! xtraxritical May 2013 #42

The "majority" of Americans don't want the two parties to work together? sadbear May 2013 #73

You REALLY think Americans want SS cut? lark May 2013 #55

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He put the ball back in our court. sadbear May 2013 #113

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I know this. sadbear May 2013 #84

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This is a BS article. It only tells HALF of the story BlueStreak May 2013 #9

Of all people, Matt Yglesias made that argument best Recursion May 2013 #13

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K&R! grahamhgreen May 2013 #10

Golf. Moar golf. Safetykitten May 2013 #11

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Seriously. In my opinion a successful second term would be all golf. pa28 May 2013 #96

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+2 Myrina May 2013 #38

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There are good options BlueStreak May 2013 #29

verily indeed NoMoreWarNow May 2013 #66

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who the fuck wants to become president just to do that? NoMoreWarNow May 2013 #110

This guy BlueStreak May 2013 #111

Negotiating assumes the other side is willing to actually negotiate. hobbit709 May 2013 #35

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The GOP will be thrilled when he makes that announcement. JoePhilly May 2013 #28

Defeatist. kentuck May 2013 #31

No, a defeatist is what the article wants Obama to become ... JoePhilly May 2013 #33

And forget everything he has tried to do for the last 4 years to cooperate with the Repubs? kentuck May 2013 #37

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He should go LBJ on us MannyGoldstein May 2013 #40

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"Go to war with them" JoePhilly May 2013 #70

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So you can't answer the question. JoePhilly May 2013 #105

Sigh. MannyGoldstein May 2013 #107

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Take it to the American people. progressoid May 2013 #71

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