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Megalo_Man

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7. When the tea party started out

Tue May 14, 2013, 08:57 AM

May 2013

it was very outspokenly against the Patriot Act. That seemed to change over time as it became co-opted by other interests. Nothing "new" started in terms of domestic spying capability when the patriot act was made into law. The CIA, NRO and FBI had the capability to monitor domestic cellular communications without a warrant, they just couldn't use any of that information to legally prosecute someone based on any evidence gained by that monitoring. They were already mirroring fiber data into those "closets." The Patriot Act laid the legal foundation for information that was already being retained to be used against individuals in the name of National Security. There was no such thing as modern-day NSL's prior to that. It essentially just made what they were already doing illegally - legal, and admissible in court.

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So the Patriot Act is biting the Tea Baggers on the ass. Awww. [View all] Atman May 2013 OP

It's Whose Ox Is Being Gored... KharmaTrain May 2013 #1

Good post. I Agree. Atman May 2013 #3

Where are you reading the phones were tapped? LannyDeVaney May 2013 #19

That is also what I have read. It's all being conflated into something "worse." Atman May 2013 #45

+ 1 Berlum May 2013 #44

"If you got nothing to hide" mikeysnot May 2013 #2

Tea Partiers supported the patriot act? Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #4

Teabaggers support everything Republicans support. tridim May 2013 #5

TeaBaggers only supported the Patriot Act under a Republican president. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #6

The tea party didn't exist until 2008. Megalo_Man May 2013 #8

Yeah, actually they did. Back then they just called themselves Republicans or Conservatives. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #10

That may be the case now, but in the beginning Megalo_Man May 2013 #13

If you're referring to the Tea Party people in 1773, you're correct. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #14

Exactly Progressive dog May 2013 #23

Yep. And anyone who says differently is lying to you. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #27

+1, TECHNICALLY EVERY Tea Party member in Congress is a registered Republican and caucuses uponit7771 May 2013 #26

TECHNICALLY there was a Tea Party caucus - just don't tell Michele Bachmann it's DOA Brother Buzz May 2013 #40

Yep. If it walks with the Republicans, talks with the Republicans, filibuster with the Republicans BlueCaliDem May 2013 #49

Well, that settles it. You're right, and I'm wrong. Megalo_Man May 2013 #33

You can't blame DUers doubting your info if you don't provide us with links dmr May 2013 #39

My apologies. Megalo_Man May 2013 #43

Thank you, "Snowflake-Noob" with the 22 posts! BlueCaliDem May 2013 #41

Not me, and I don't care what the exact makeup was. Megalo_Man May 2013 #46

Right On bahrbearian May 2013 #15

By the same token. Savannahmann May 2013 #22

The Patriot Act under Bush is not the same as the one under President Obama. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #37

When the tea party started out Megalo_Man May 2013 #7

Yep. When they started out they were against the Patriot Act only because a Black man and Democrat BlueCaliDem May 2013 #11

I know Tea Baggers that hated the patriot act from the get go. bahrbearian May 2013 #16

You likely know Randite libertarians who wear the teabagger label for some reason. tridim May 2013 #18

No they weren't , bahrbearian May 2013 #21

The Pat Buchanan paleo-cons despise the Patriot Act too Ter May 2013 #32

I don't. If they hated the Patriot Act from the get go, then why did they vote BlueCaliDem May 2013 #24

This was in 2004 to today, and they hated Chimpy. bahrbearian May 2013 #25

Bullshit. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #29

No they didn't vote for Chimpy. Do you get all your personal contacts off the TV. bahrbearian May 2013 #31

I disagree. I think you'll find pretty much all of them did. Atman May 2013 #35

I agree,but you can't pigeon hole everyone, labels don't always stick. That is the Point I'm making bahrbearian May 2013 #42

You're right, they did vote for *, twice. tridim May 2013 #48

Unfortunately... ljm2002 May 2013 #9

I'm very disappointed in President Obama about this as well. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #12

A certain segment of the population will always insist on learning things the hard way. redgreenandblue May 2013 #17

My dad use to say... Whiskeytide May 2013 #20

Hope the IRS bags a few of these teabilly tax cheats Blue Owl May 2013 #28

The real Tea Baggers always opposed the Patriot Act Ter May 2013 #30

There are no "real Tea Baggers." Atman May 2013 #36

That's a good description Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #38

Excuse me for not getting upset on their behalf. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #34

Remember the pro-war rallies in 2003? Teabaggers! Dawson Leery May 2013 #47