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truebluegreen

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80. So? Not always is not always.

Tue May 14, 2013, 03:17 PM

May 2013

If I had the time or inclination to examine the record you posted, there are a number of other factors I might point to. One of them being that Democrats stopped acting like Democrats.

But whatever.

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President Obama will soon be reaping the harvest he sowed by not pursuing the Bush Admin. criminals [View all] MNBrewer May 2013 OP

Yup. Repeated Democratic cowardice in the face of repeated Republican bullying and law-breaking villager May 2013 #1

The wisdom of the rope-a-dope is taking all the other has to give, and creaming them graham4anything May 2013 #6

Yes. Five years of "rope-a-dope" is working out quite splendidly. Clear for all to see. villager May 2013 #23

If we can give the President a Democratic Congress in 2014 you'll see. xtraxritical May 2013 #124

You mean like the one he had his first two years in office? villager May 2013 #136

We should have actually attacked the party itself BanTheGOP May 2013 #111

Jackie Robinson named to Hall of Fame NOT stooping to their level. We will cream them in 16. graham4anything May 2013 #2

There is a thing called "justice" MNBrewer May 2013 #9

A public hanging? Then what? What does that accomplish? The USA never did that graham4anything May 2013 #78

Aside from the Old West, Slavery, go west young man May 2013 #107

Bill Clinton let the Iran Contra criminals off the hook and they are now back doing what they sabrina 1 May 2013 #112

The ACLU let the Bush's out of Iran/Contra. Bush also pardoned himself & everyone graham4anything May 2013 #118

What sort of bizarro history book do you read? progressoid May 2013 #123

The true one, not the Ron Paul version. Once the ACLU got ollie off, nothing was able to be done graham4anything May 2013 #126

Dude, what's your obsession with Ron Paul? progressoid May 2013 #133

Almost all who were alice got pardoned by 41 while in office.(and that meant 41 couldn't be) graham4anything May 2013 #134

I know, right? Phlem May 2013 #135

Another DUer described it as "word salad" progressoid May 2013 #137

Lol, yes we all know that a Civil Rights organization is more powerful than Congress and the POTUS! sabrina 1 May 2013 #130

FACT-the ACLU got Oliver North/Iran/Contra OFF. FACT 100%. Look it up. graham4anything May 2013 #131

Don't you ever get tired of trying to read people's minds and projecting your own sabrina 1 May 2013 #132

Exactly. The Repubs learned that they can get away with it. progressoid May 2013 #121

What about 2014? AnnieK401 May 2013 #74

That's the position you have to adopt in order to make the status quo seem reasonable. sibelian May 2013 #90

Oh it "matters little" if people don't go back to work for four more years? MrSlayer May 2013 #92

How did those 2010 protest votes go for the workers? Yeah, Walker really got what they wanted graham4anything May 2013 #93

If Obama had "put on his walking shoes" and stood by us in Wisconsin, the results would have been in grahamhgreen May 2013 #119

I agree. Let them get away with anything, and they multiply that activity exponentionally.neti juajen May 2013 #3

Oh right, repugs would treat President Obama, elleng May 2013 #4

You think they would be in power????? MNBrewer May 2013 #10

Who gives a fuck what they think? bobclark86 May 2013 #71

I surely don't care what they THINK (IF they do,) elleng May 2013 #72

I agree JustAnotherGen May 2013 #5

4 years of appeasing republicans at every turn, and this is the reward lol. who'da thought? nt msongs May 2013 #7

And how would prosecuting Bush have prevented geek tragedy May 2013 #8

This isn't about the IRS MNBrewer May 2013 #12

They did well because old white Republicans vote more regularly geek tragedy May 2013 #14

or... MNBrewer May 2013 #15

Cool story, bro. geek tragedy May 2013 #17

So is your, "bro" MNBrewer May 2013 #18

So, anything to support the theory you've concocted? geek tragedy May 2013 #20

You might be able to google as well as I can MNBrewer May 2013 #21

For starters geek tragedy May 2013 #29

LITERALLY LOL... MNBrewer May 2013 #30

wait, whut? MNBrewer May 2013 #35

Democrats have a structural deficit in midterms. geek tragedy May 2013 #46

AND. WHY. MIGHT. THAT. BE? MNBrewer May 2013 #48

Demographics. geek tragedy May 2013 #49

k.... MNBrewer May 2013 #50

I'm not saying that NOTHING can be done. geek tragedy May 2013 #55

You're right, even the mildest exposition of the Bush Era Crimes would have been disasterous. MNBrewer May 2013 #56

What I'm saying is that it really had nothing to do geek tragedy May 2013 #60

You're right. He was completely powerless. At the mercy of historical trends. MNBrewer May 2013 #61

Why don't you apply that to 2006, if you are so convinced truebluegreen May 2013 #62

Backlash against Bush and Republican misrule. geek tragedy May 2013 #63

In other words, it isn't always just "off-year" elections truebluegreen May 2013 #75

Democrats have won a grand total of 1 midterm geek tragedy May 2013 #77

So? Not always is not always. truebluegreen May 2013 #80

"Democrats stopped acting like Democrats" geek tragedy May 2013 #83

Decades ago, unfortunately. truebluegreen May 2013 #94

And why do you think this 'cycle' continues?? Maybe because when you don't prosecute criminals sabrina 1 May 2013 #113

Right on Sabrina chknltl May 2013 #138

Exposing the Bush-Crimes not only would have helped the Dems Sensible321 May 2013 #102

It have said to them, "DON'T FUCK WITH ME" Doctor_J May 2013 #100

LOL. They wouldn't have the guts or power to make it a national issue. grahamhgreen May 2013 #120

When you're nice to a bunch of criminals what do you expect? LeftInTX May 2013 #11

If only somebody had pointed this out four years ago... Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #13

Sowing the seeds if his own downfall MNBrewer May 2013 #16

The irony that Cheney thinks that Hillary should be subpoenaed is enough to make you choke... truebrit71 May 2013 #19

Now, now.... Look forward. MNBrewer May 2013 #22

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Well, that's a very good question MNBrewer May 2013 #25

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Because it's what President Obama decided he wanted, clearly. MNBrewer May 2013 #27

I disagree. He is a moderate right of centrist. We have lost perspective w/ the extreme right shift on point May 2013 #37

hard to compare politicians of today to those of the 70s MNBrewer May 2013 #47

A valid comparison of Obama with Ford is they both gave de facto immunity to presidential criminals. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #53

There is a rumor that there was a Grand Bargain that included rhett o rick May 2013 #28

Barack Obama wouldn't know a "grand bargain" if it fell on top of him in a Costco. MNBrewer May 2013 #31

I think the "grand bargain" was, 'hands-off' and no one has a nasty accident in a small plane rwsanders May 2013 #33

I dont think it was quite so sinister. I think it was, hands off and we will see that a couple rhett o rick May 2013 #40

YEP!! They were down for the count, he let them get back up and in the game on point May 2013 #32

Obama needs to invite Dick and Rummy for dinner at the WH. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #34

Impeachment is off the table! OnyxCollie May 2013 #36

I could not possibly agree MORE...K & R...nt mother earth May 2013 #38

Never too late..... Junkdrawer May 2013 #39

Requires the will MNBrewer May 2013 #42

A pardon can take care of that. At least for inside the USofA. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #43

"We" tried to warn fredamae May 2013 #41

There might be some truth but I think it's all smoke, mirrors and political theatricality. MNBrewer May 2013 #44

You cant handle the facts. You will be feed what you need. Please just drink your kool-aide like rhett o rick May 2013 #45

Completely agree adieu May 2013 #51

"Fatal", probably not, but "mistake"? Yup. And a dumb one, because it had been tried before. JHB May 2013 #52

The act of prosecuting W should be looked at - - lastone May 2013 #54

Bingo. But Obama couldn't afford to push for prosecuting his predecessor. MotherPetrie May 2013 #58

What Dems need rickyhall May 2013 #57

K&R forestpath May 2013 #59

note to self: a party becoming extinct will resort to any method to survive. SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #64

When complicit hands are washing each other MNBrewer May 2013 #66

K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2013 #65

So if Obama went after Bush, the GOP would not be investigating Obama now. JoePhilly May 2013 #67

THey can only investigate if they're in control of a body of the Legislature. MNBrewer May 2013 #69

Good plan. Put you political enemies in jail. Welcome to the third world. Buzz Clik May 2013 #68

Some 3rd world war criminals wind up in jail MNBrewer May 2013 #70

Here, let me fix that for you... bobclark86 May 2013 #73

Did Congress give Bush the green light for hostilities in Iraq? Buzz Clik May 2013 #82

Yeah, they did... bobclark86 May 2013 #89

Your delusion. Welcome to it. Buzz Clik May 2013 #95

Dude... bobclark86 May 2013 #96

The delusion is that you think lying is a war crime. It is not. Buzz Clik May 2013 #97

Under our system of government you investigate first Babel_17 May 2013 #105

Torture is a war crime, and Bush/Cheney have admitted to it. grahamhgreen May 2013 #122

Maybe not, but authorizing torture sure the fuck is... truebrit71 May 2013 #125

enemies? criminals. piratefish08 May 2013 #103

Taking impeachment for Bush "off the table" really worked out well for them, didn't it? BlueStater May 2013 #76

Oh yeah, he's a shrewd political player .. I think he's incredibly naive ..>> YOHABLO May 2013 #79

no broad public support stklurker May 2013 #81

+1 Buzz Clik May 2013 #84

That's how I remember it as well Floyd_Gondolli May 2013 #85

That's not true. 70% in this Gallup poll support major investigations of Bush crimes. grahamhgreen May 2013 #129

k+r Blue_Tires May 2013 #86

Once power is given to government, it is rarely turned back. NCTraveler May 2013 #87

the republicans will probably impeach over these matters...we did nothing over war & torture spanone May 2013 #88

Every time Cheney and Rumsfeld are in the headlines thucythucy May 2013 #91

Rummy was on TV today. OnyxCollie May 2013 #101

Didn't see it so can't comment specifically, thucythucy May 2013 #106

****Ding****Ding****Ding****Ding****Ding**** 99Forever May 2013 #98

it's WE THE PEOPLE who are REAPING THE HARVEST Skittles May 2013 #99

+1 and look at the choices made available to us. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #108

Historians will shake their heads . . . another_liberal May 2013 #104

+1 G_j May 2013 #109

I posted this idea in another thread. :-) He took the ride on the crocodile, and got surprised. WinkyDink May 2013 #110

No one cares... Pelican May 2013 #114

THIS Maven May 2013 #115

On a related note - Charlie Pierce said the "elite press" decided not to take down Reagan Peregrine Took May 2013 #116

He has been since day 1. "If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind" grahamhgreen May 2013 #117

Got that right gussmith May 2013 #127

Truth. AtomicKitten May 2013 #128