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Buzz Clik

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97. The delusion is that you think lying is a war crime. It is not.

Tue May 14, 2013, 08:28 PM

May 2013

Congress was completely complicit in the war on Iraq. Completely. Some resistance from the Dems, but not much.

DU just loves to call Bush a war criminal, and no one calls us on it because this is a friggin' echo chamber of leftwing thought. But to believe you could actually try and convict Bush for war crimes is nuts. And to do so would grind this country to complete stop.

Ya think maybe -- just maybe -- Obama had better ways of using up every bit of political capital he had than to attempt and FAIL to convict Bush and Cheney of war crimes?

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President Obama will soon be reaping the harvest he sowed by not pursuing the Bush Admin. criminals [View all] MNBrewer May 2013 OP

Yup. Repeated Democratic cowardice in the face of repeated Republican bullying and law-breaking villager May 2013 #1

The wisdom of the rope-a-dope is taking all the other has to give, and creaming them graham4anything May 2013 #6

Yes. Five years of "rope-a-dope" is working out quite splendidly. Clear for all to see. villager May 2013 #23

If we can give the President a Democratic Congress in 2014 you'll see. xtraxritical May 2013 #124

You mean like the one he had his first two years in office? villager May 2013 #136

We should have actually attacked the party itself BanTheGOP May 2013 #111

Jackie Robinson named to Hall of Fame NOT stooping to their level. We will cream them in 16. graham4anything May 2013 #2

There is a thing called "justice" MNBrewer May 2013 #9

A public hanging? Then what? What does that accomplish? The USA never did that graham4anything May 2013 #78

Aside from the Old West, Slavery, go west young man May 2013 #107

Bill Clinton let the Iran Contra criminals off the hook and they are now back doing what they sabrina 1 May 2013 #112

The ACLU let the Bush's out of Iran/Contra. Bush also pardoned himself & everyone graham4anything May 2013 #118

What sort of bizarro history book do you read? progressoid May 2013 #123

The true one, not the Ron Paul version. Once the ACLU got ollie off, nothing was able to be done graham4anything May 2013 #126

Dude, what's your obsession with Ron Paul? progressoid May 2013 #133

Almost all who were alice got pardoned by 41 while in office.(and that meant 41 couldn't be) graham4anything May 2013 #134

I know, right? Phlem May 2013 #135

Another DUer described it as "word salad" progressoid May 2013 #137

Lol, yes we all know that a Civil Rights organization is more powerful than Congress and the POTUS! sabrina 1 May 2013 #130

FACT-the ACLU got Oliver North/Iran/Contra OFF. FACT 100%. Look it up. graham4anything May 2013 #131

Don't you ever get tired of trying to read people's minds and projecting your own sabrina 1 May 2013 #132

Exactly. The Repubs learned that they can get away with it. progressoid May 2013 #121

What about 2014? AnnieK401 May 2013 #74

That's the position you have to adopt in order to make the status quo seem reasonable. sibelian May 2013 #90

Oh it "matters little" if people don't go back to work for four more years? MrSlayer May 2013 #92

How did those 2010 protest votes go for the workers? Yeah, Walker really got what they wanted graham4anything May 2013 #93

If Obama had "put on his walking shoes" and stood by us in Wisconsin, the results would have been in grahamhgreen May 2013 #119

I agree. Let them get away with anything, and they multiply that activity exponentionally.neti juajen May 2013 #3

Oh right, repugs would treat President Obama, elleng May 2013 #4

You think they would be in power????? MNBrewer May 2013 #10

Who gives a fuck what they think? bobclark86 May 2013 #71

I surely don't care what they THINK (IF they do,) elleng May 2013 #72

I agree JustAnotherGen May 2013 #5

4 years of appeasing republicans at every turn, and this is the reward lol. who'da thought? nt msongs May 2013 #7

And how would prosecuting Bush have prevented geek tragedy May 2013 #8

This isn't about the IRS MNBrewer May 2013 #12

They did well because old white Republicans vote more regularly geek tragedy May 2013 #14

or... MNBrewer May 2013 #15

Cool story, bro. geek tragedy May 2013 #17

So is your, "bro" MNBrewer May 2013 #18

So, anything to support the theory you've concocted? geek tragedy May 2013 #20

You might be able to google as well as I can MNBrewer May 2013 #21

For starters geek tragedy May 2013 #29

LITERALLY LOL... MNBrewer May 2013 #30

wait, whut? MNBrewer May 2013 #35

Democrats have a structural deficit in midterms. geek tragedy May 2013 #46

AND. WHY. MIGHT. THAT. BE? MNBrewer May 2013 #48

Demographics. geek tragedy May 2013 #49

k.... MNBrewer May 2013 #50

I'm not saying that NOTHING can be done. geek tragedy May 2013 #55

You're right, even the mildest exposition of the Bush Era Crimes would have been disasterous. MNBrewer May 2013 #56

What I'm saying is that it really had nothing to do geek tragedy May 2013 #60

You're right. He was completely powerless. At the mercy of historical trends. MNBrewer May 2013 #61

Why don't you apply that to 2006, if you are so convinced truebluegreen May 2013 #62

Backlash against Bush and Republican misrule. geek tragedy May 2013 #63

In other words, it isn't always just "off-year" elections truebluegreen May 2013 #75

Democrats have won a grand total of 1 midterm geek tragedy May 2013 #77

So? Not always is not always. truebluegreen May 2013 #80

"Democrats stopped acting like Democrats" geek tragedy May 2013 #83

Decades ago, unfortunately. truebluegreen May 2013 #94

And why do you think this 'cycle' continues?? Maybe because when you don't prosecute criminals sabrina 1 May 2013 #113

Right on Sabrina chknltl May 2013 #138

Exposing the Bush-Crimes not only would have helped the Dems Sensible321 May 2013 #102

It have said to them, "DON'T FUCK WITH ME" Doctor_J May 2013 #100

LOL. They wouldn't have the guts or power to make it a national issue. grahamhgreen May 2013 #120

When you're nice to a bunch of criminals what do you expect? LeftInTX May 2013 #11

If only somebody had pointed this out four years ago... Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #13

Sowing the seeds if his own downfall MNBrewer May 2013 #16

The irony that Cheney thinks that Hillary should be subpoenaed is enough to make you choke... truebrit71 May 2013 #19

Now, now.... Look forward. MNBrewer May 2013 #22

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #24

Well, that's a very good question MNBrewer May 2013 #25

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Because it's what President Obama decided he wanted, clearly. MNBrewer May 2013 #27

I disagree. He is a moderate right of centrist. We have lost perspective w/ the extreme right shift on point May 2013 #37

hard to compare politicians of today to those of the 70s MNBrewer May 2013 #47

A valid comparison of Obama with Ford is they both gave de facto immunity to presidential criminals. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #53

There is a rumor that there was a Grand Bargain that included rhett o rick May 2013 #28

Barack Obama wouldn't know a "grand bargain" if it fell on top of him in a Costco. MNBrewer May 2013 #31

I think the "grand bargain" was, 'hands-off' and no one has a nasty accident in a small plane rwsanders May 2013 #33

I dont think it was quite so sinister. I think it was, hands off and we will see that a couple rhett o rick May 2013 #40

YEP!! They were down for the count, he let them get back up and in the game on point May 2013 #32

Obama needs to invite Dick and Rummy for dinner at the WH. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #34

Impeachment is off the table! OnyxCollie May 2013 #36

I could not possibly agree MORE...K & R...nt mother earth May 2013 #38

Never too late..... Junkdrawer May 2013 #39

Requires the will MNBrewer May 2013 #42

A pardon can take care of that. At least for inside the USofA. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #43

"We" tried to warn fredamae May 2013 #41

There might be some truth but I think it's all smoke, mirrors and political theatricality. MNBrewer May 2013 #44

You cant handle the facts. You will be feed what you need. Please just drink your kool-aide like rhett o rick May 2013 #45

Completely agree adieu May 2013 #51

"Fatal", probably not, but "mistake"? Yup. And a dumb one, because it had been tried before. JHB May 2013 #52

The act of prosecuting W should be looked at - - lastone May 2013 #54

Bingo. But Obama couldn't afford to push for prosecuting his predecessor. MotherPetrie May 2013 #58

What Dems need rickyhall May 2013 #57

K&R forestpath May 2013 #59

note to self: a party becoming extinct will resort to any method to survive. SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #64

When complicit hands are washing each other MNBrewer May 2013 #66

K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2013 #65

So if Obama went after Bush, the GOP would not be investigating Obama now. JoePhilly May 2013 #67

THey can only investigate if they're in control of a body of the Legislature. MNBrewer May 2013 #69

Good plan. Put you political enemies in jail. Welcome to the third world. Buzz Clik May 2013 #68

Some 3rd world war criminals wind up in jail MNBrewer May 2013 #70

Here, let me fix that for you... bobclark86 May 2013 #73

Did Congress give Bush the green light for hostilities in Iraq? Buzz Clik May 2013 #82

Yeah, they did... bobclark86 May 2013 #89

Your delusion. Welcome to it. Buzz Clik May 2013 #95

Dude... bobclark86 May 2013 #96

The delusion is that you think lying is a war crime. It is not. Buzz Clik May 2013 #97

Under our system of government you investigate first Babel_17 May 2013 #105

Torture is a war crime, and Bush/Cheney have admitted to it. grahamhgreen May 2013 #122

Maybe not, but authorizing torture sure the fuck is... truebrit71 May 2013 #125

enemies? criminals. piratefish08 May 2013 #103

Taking impeachment for Bush "off the table" really worked out well for them, didn't it? BlueStater May 2013 #76

Oh yeah, he's a shrewd political player .. I think he's incredibly naive ..>> YOHABLO May 2013 #79

no broad public support stklurker May 2013 #81

+1 Buzz Clik May 2013 #84

That's how I remember it as well Floyd_Gondolli May 2013 #85

That's not true. 70% in this Gallup poll support major investigations of Bush crimes. grahamhgreen May 2013 #129

k+r Blue_Tires May 2013 #86

Once power is given to government, it is rarely turned back. NCTraveler May 2013 #87

the republicans will probably impeach over these matters...we did nothing over war & torture spanone May 2013 #88

Every time Cheney and Rumsfeld are in the headlines thucythucy May 2013 #91

Rummy was on TV today. OnyxCollie May 2013 #101

Didn't see it so can't comment specifically, thucythucy May 2013 #106

****Ding****Ding****Ding****Ding****Ding**** 99Forever May 2013 #98

it's WE THE PEOPLE who are REAPING THE HARVEST Skittles May 2013 #99

+1 and look at the choices made available to us. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #108

Historians will shake their heads . . . another_liberal May 2013 #104

+1 G_j May 2013 #109

I posted this idea in another thread. :-) He took the ride on the crocodile, and got surprised. WinkyDink May 2013 #110

No one cares... Pelican May 2013 #114

THIS Maven May 2013 #115

On a related note - Charlie Pierce said the "elite press" decided not to take down Reagan Peregrine Took May 2013 #116

He has been since day 1. "If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind" grahamhgreen May 2013 #117

Got that right gussmith May 2013 #127

Truth. AtomicKitten May 2013 #128