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In reply to the discussion: Solo Drivers should be appreciative of buses, bicyclists, pedestrians and carpoolers -not resentful [View all]CreekDog
(46,192 posts)15. I can't believe your hostility to pedestrians as well as the environmental benefits of not driving
First, I'm singling out drivers to not be hostile or resentful of non-drivers on the road (not to "not be morons"
. Second, I'm pointing out that drivers should appreciate non-drivers because
a) they aren't slowing traffic as much as they would if they drove
b) there are environmental benefits of not driving, or driving less and we all, including drivers, benefit from people making that choice --even when we do not.
Really? They heat/cool their homes with a solar system?
I said reduce one's carbon footprint, not eliminate. Heating and cooling are fairly universal to people, but those who don't drive are the rarity, and thus, really do reduce their carbon footprint compared to people who drive or drive regularly.
Weird, because my system was the very first like it in the US, let alone California.
They're all Childfree? Weird, because those vans with video screens that so like to try to drive in two lanes are full of kids.
The broadside broad-brush animosity towards families with children seems unnecessary.
Pedestrians: use crosswalks. If you don't feel like crossing legally, try not to wear all dark colors at night and running in front of cars on ECR.
Perhaps you'd like to send a note to the families of the victims hit in the Millbrae crosswalks on ECR to inform them that their beloved family members were hit through their own fault.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Millbrae-crosswalk-claiming-more-victims-4104091.php
Again, blaming pedestrians for being hit is pretty crass on your part. I can forgive you for that.
What I can't forgive you for is saying it ignorantly, which you are. Crosswalks on El Camino for example have been the scene of multiple pedestrian deaths. Crosswalks in San Francisco are the scenes of hit pedestrians all the time, some 40% of them are elderly.
Your insensitivity and ignorance of this topic hasn't produced caution in posting on the topic.
You probably don't care about my posts that have pointed out how crosswalks are in fact unsafe by design to pedestrians and how they should be improved.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112739730
Most signaled intersections are unsafe for pedestrians, here's why (we need to encourage walking!)
Bikes (motor and pedal): try to stay out of a car's blindspot. There's no need to camp in a blindspot in freely-moving traffic.
How does a bicyclist avoid the blindspot of a car? Cars move fast, cars come up unseen from behind, cars speed up quickly in ways that bicycles cannot. Again, the hostility and frankly, blame towards pedestrians and bicyclists for being hit is what animates your post --and it's ignorant.
I like my car a lot. I have no interest in hitting a pedestrian or bike; fixing my car isn't cheap and it takes too damn long (how do I know? Got hit by a moron who couldn't see her red light or my red car.)
I like my car too. Not having an interest in not hitting anyone is not sufficient to be safe, it takes more than that. Also, the easiest way to get hit isn't to walk against a red light, it's to walk with a "walk signal" and a green light and have a car overtake you while turning behind you. You don't seem to know this, and yet, you speak as an expert. Nothing required you to speak on this, nothing required you to make misstatement after hostile misstatement about pedestrians, you chose to.
But you are wrong, and actually, incredibly anti-environmental and anti-safety in your post.
I guess the OP and this post could be summed up with, "Californians, stop being morons on the road."
Not really, but you are responding to a straw man of your own creation.
Or one snow. Just one. I'll stay home that day.
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Solo Drivers should be appreciative of buses, bicyclists, pedestrians and carpoolers -not resentful [View all]
CreekDog
May 2013
OP
When the bicycle is traveling the speed limit, passing is done for no good reason
Gormy Cuss
May 2013
#81
Some people who live in rural areas still manage to car pool and some think up solutions
Luminous Animal
May 2013
#21
At least half the accidents here involve a spandex butt breaking the law himself.
hobbit709
May 2013
#3
Hey, go ahead and post the numbers of deaths caused by pedestrians and cyclists
CreekDog
May 2013
#16
It is precisely because cars are so dangerous that bicyclists need to be very careful.
JDPriestly
May 2013
#55
Sorry, but I've seen or heard of way too many stupid, reckless actions
liberalhistorian
May 2013
#23
A pedestrian or cyclist death does not automatically mean the car was at fault
GiaGiovanni
May 2013
#35
I quote the first 4 paragraphs out of 6--4 paragraphs is the limit here for fair use
GiaGiovanni
May 2013
#72
Because the bicyclist should't have to stop if the car already is stopped.
Luminous Animal
May 2013
#24
BREAKING: STUDY FINDS MORE THAN 50% OF TX ACCIDENTS CAUSED BY CYCLISTS
DisgustipatedinCA
May 2013
#7
I can't believe your hostility to pedestrians as well as the environmental benefits of not driving
CreekDog
May 2013
#15
My OP described LEGAL CROSSINGS using crosswalks and walk signals, you ignored that
CreekDog
May 2013
#110
It bothers me to no end when I'm in a car and the driver complains the pedestrian is going too slow
CreekDog
May 2013
#17
Actually, you asked about pedestrians in general and I answered your query.
GiaGiovanni
May 2013
#36
Post #29 asked about pedestrians in general; that was answered with an NTSB report
GiaGiovanni
May 2013
#76
The poster was using a common strategy of trumping logical argumentation with emotional manipulation
GiaGiovanni
May 2013
#82
Ah you're offended by the dead child -cause you don't want anything done about it
CreekDog
May 2013
#95
Actually, I don't like the misuse of dead children to score political points
GiaGiovanni
May 2013
#100
you're saying there are more injuries caused by bicycles as there are from cars?
CreekDog
May 2013
#104
A 200 lb bicycle, irresponsibly driven, can be more dangerous than a 4000 lb car driven well
GiaGiovanni
May 2013
#90
Force = mass * acceleration, and classical physics brooks no arguments. n/t
DisgustipatedinCA
May 2013
#113
Nonsense. Other properties like agility, visibility and the driver's reactions play a role in
GiaGiovanni
May 2013
#114
Sometimes there are people driving who don't give a rat's ass about the safety of others.
auntAgonist
May 2013
#46
i only asked people to not be resentful and to consider their safety --my OP was not anti-car
CreekDog
May 2013
#63
I didn't offer instruction, just a caution. Second, I think intersections need to be redesigned
CreekDog
May 2013
#83
that's my point with the OP and with my comment on intersections, keeping cars and people apart
CreekDog
May 2013
#85
do you think ANY of the drivers that need to change think they are bad drivers?
CreekDog
May 2013
#88
you're offended at being asked to not be resentful of bicyclists and pedestrians? wow, really???
CreekDog
May 2013
#61
There is also a lack of responsibility on the part of some cyclists in this thread
GiaGiovanni
May 2013
#86
i keep asking you about pedestrians crossing legally and you keep saying "too bad"
CreekDog
May 2013
#89
When did you start harboring this dislike toward people who are alone in cars?
Honeycombe8
May 2013
#116