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In reply to the discussion: The AP scandal *is* serious [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)99. Just tell me which "law? I "need to change." Surely you know.
That's what your post said. But you don't know what law, or what it says?
You think there is a law that says you can simply subpoena phone records in secret, PERIOD?
You're kidding, right? And you're talking about how many brain cells people have?
I'm thinking of the First Amendment here. You know, the one a "brain cell or two" will tell you protects the freedom of the press.
I'm aware there are limited powers to subpoena phone records to find a leak. I'm not aware of anything that permits wholesale, long-term, spying on the press.
If you are, let's hear it. If you're not, what the hell are you talking about?
Last Friday afternoon, AP General Counsel Laura Malone received a letter from the office of United States Attorney Ronald C. Machen Jr. advising that, at some unidentified time earlier this year, the Department obtained telephone toll records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to the AP and its journalists. The records that were secretly obtained cover a full two-month period in early 2012 and, at least as described in Mr. Machen's letter, include all such records for, among other phone lines, an AP general phone number in New York City as well as AP bureaus in New York City, Washington, D.C., Hartford, Connecticut, and at the House of Representatives. This action was taken without advance notice to AP or to any of the affected journalists, and even after the fact no notice has been sent to individual journalists whose home phones and cell phone records were seized by the Department.
There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know.
That the Department undertook this unprecedented step without providing any notice to the AP, and without taking any steps to narrow the scope of its subpoenas to matters actually relevant to an ongoing investigation, is particularly troubling.
The sheer volume of records obtained, most of which can have no plausible connection to any ongoing investigation, indicates, at a minimum, that this effort did not comply with 28 C.F.R. §50.10 and should therefore never have been undertaken in the first place. The regulations require that, in all cases and without exception, a subpoena for a reporter's telephone toll records must be "as narrowly drawn as possible.'' This plainly did not happen.
There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know.
That the Department undertook this unprecedented step without providing any notice to the AP, and without taking any steps to narrow the scope of its subpoenas to matters actually relevant to an ongoing investigation, is particularly troubling.
The sheer volume of records obtained, most of which can have no plausible connection to any ongoing investigation, indicates, at a minimum, that this effort did not comply with 28 C.F.R. §50.10 and should therefore never have been undertaken in the first place. The regulations require that, in all cases and without exception, a subpoena for a reporter's telephone toll records must be "as narrowly drawn as possible.'' This plainly did not happen.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/05/13/doj-seizes-ap-phone-records/2156819/
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I found an interesting take on it, thought you might be interested. I don't know if it is serious
uppityperson
May 2013
#2
So you think that spying on journalists is no longer a scandal? I thought it was, at least it was
sabrina 1
May 2013
#165
So that's who you are? Talk about childish. Add me to your list, please! -NT
Anansi1171
May 2013
#108
Wow! Circular arguments and empty assertions lacking any detail. You go, girl!
Anansi1171
May 2013
#111
Issa might just hand Obama the juice he needs to be really effective if so.
Exultant Democracy
May 2013
#32
Why the condescending tone and arrogant tone? Your "dear" at least takes the time
Anansi1171
May 2013
#114
LOL!! She thinks Holder HAD to recuse himself so he must've done something BAAAAD.
DevonRex
May 2013
#63
Why anyone would trust nadin as a "reporter" is beyond me. Do you remember.....
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#92
Exactly. It's a matter of integrity, journalistic or otherwise. You don't disappear your mistakes,
Tarheel_Dem
May 2013
#211
Actually, they can. If you want them to not be able to, you'll need a change in the law. (nt)
jeff47
May 2013
#82
So what would you say is 'not broad'? Two lines at a time? Two reporters at a time?
randome
May 2013
#86
Worth searching MediaMatters on the Associated Press. Wouldnt take AP "SPIN" at face value.
emulatorloo
May 2013
#162
They are long dead, and you and Nadin are doing in the patsy care nothing of the coup
Anansi1171
May 2013
#117
"I find it offensive that people suddenly care about surveillance."
woo me with science
May 2013
#185
AP already decided to thumb their nose at the Administration when they published what they had...
randome
May 2013
#88
The probles that I am seeing is that most people have not clue what this has done.
Lady Freedom Returns
May 2013
#78
David Schulz explains it the best in his interveiw with "NEWSHOUR"
Lady Freedom Returns
May 2013
#100
nadinbrzezinski know a little more about the repercussions that this is causing
Lady Freedom Returns
May 2013
#116
What posible reason did the Press have to tell us about Watergate?
Lady Freedom Returns
May 2013
#220
this a leaker trying to damage the Presidency, not a **whistleblower*** *** *** ** *
Kolesar
May 2013
#128
From a journalistic standpoint, this is a scandel, but from a "political" standpoint..
LeftInTX
May 2013
#203
I agree, just stop as the other poster said, already there is info coming out on this of who, why
EV_Ares
May 2013
#155
Because she has no understanding of how a grand jury works, and it's painful to read so
msanthrope
May 2013
#199
The grand jury wasn't allowed to subpeona reporter's phone records? What fool thinks that?
msanthrope
May 2013
#196