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jeff47

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29. Wait a minute here.

Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:31 PM

Feb 2012

So we need to fear Sunburn missiles on mobile launchers because other missiles have mobile launchers?

Um....No. If you switch to a slower missile, you don't get to keep using the "they're too fast!!1!!!1!!eleven" argument. That footage you highlight wasn't an SS-N-22 launch. And Iranian media isn't exactly a credible source.

And I'm not arguing that mobile launchers in general are as easy to hit as fixed. I'm arguing you can't just duct-tape a SS-N-22 onto a vehicle and call it a weapons system. It takes a non-trivial amount of R&D and I haven't found anyone credible showing the Iranians actually did so with an SS-N-22.

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Iran's Arsenal Of Sunburn Missiles Is More Than Enough To Close The Strait [View all] Purveyor Feb 2012 OP

Du rec. Nt xchrom Feb 2012 #1

Can't? No. Won't. TheWraith Feb 2012 #2

Sounds like we'd better hit them back first gratuitous Feb 2012 #3

Aegis and Phalanx CIWS has it covered. Indydem Feb 2012 #4

I seriously doubt they would try to sink a carrier after being attacked by the 'West' but I do Purveyor Feb 2012 #5

The Straits are 25 miles wide and the center channel is about 12 miles from Iran... Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #8

Wouldn't that place the missile launchers themselves in a confined, target-able space? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #51

I believe they are built on both fixed and mobile launch platforms - land based and sea based. Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #53

They would be able to shoot once. jeff47 Feb 2012 #6

What he said. renie408 Feb 2012 #9

Another 'cakewalk', eh? The last one with Iraq worked so well, indeed. eom Purveyor Feb 2012 #10

This is a bombing, not an invasion jeff47 Feb 2012 #17

yes, see "shock and awe" as well as our bombing of laos.. frylock Feb 2012 #28

Once again, Bombing isn't invasion. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #31

can you provide me with a list of engagements, successful or not, that consisted of just bombing? frylock Feb 2012 #40

Bosnia Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #42

Bosnia, Libya in the 80's, Libya in the '10s jeff47 Feb 2012 #43

And it depends how the invasions are judged. stevenleser Feb 2012 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author stevenleser Feb 2012 #34

I would call dismantling a million man army in less than a month a fucking success. Muskypundit Feb 2012 #44

Iran has been working hard on anti-tank and anti-helicopter missiles FarCenter Feb 2012 #74

Just that easy, eh? Hugabear Feb 2012 #11

So in your mind, do mines magically teleport into the water? jeff47 Feb 2012 #16

Again - just that easy, eh? Hugabear Feb 2012 #18

So you honestly think no one would notice Iranian ships stopping thousands of times jeff47 Feb 2012 #23

Doesn't "just that easy" snark play equally against Iran? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #52

Simply not true surfdog Feb 2012 #14

It also assumes that all the missile sites are stationary Hugabear Feb 2012 #15

Link? jeff47 Feb 2012 #20

Are you saying that Iran does not have ANY mobile anti-ship missiles? Hugabear Feb 2012 #25

Wait a minute here. jeff47 Feb 2012 #29

That's good to hear. Seems like the coming Iran War should be a relative cakewalk Hugabear Feb 2012 #32

Try actually paying attention to what I'm saying jeff47 Feb 2012 #38

Thank-you! Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #56

So....many....errors..... jeff47 Feb 2012 #19

DO NOT BRING FACTS INTO THIS! Indydem Feb 2012 #22

A few problems with your post surfdog Feb 2012 #33

Keep digging! jeff47 Feb 2012 #37

You seem a bit confused surfdog Feb 2012 #45

So are they small or large? jeff47 Feb 2012 #49

Your physics is lacking ....... oldhippie Feb 2012 #39

Checkmate surfdog Feb 2012 #47

You're replying to a different person. jeff47 Feb 2012 #50

Get a clue already surfdog Feb 2012 #57

Again, so much wrong jeff47 Feb 2012 #67

Thanks, surfdog, you have just proved ....... oldhippie Feb 2012 #61

And begging you now surfdog Feb 2012 #62

Wikipedia is your friend ..... oldhippie Feb 2012 #63

So let me get this straight surfdog Feb 2012 #64

Do you even realize surfdog Feb 2012 #65

He linked the two different kinds of anti-tank weapons to show you the difference jeff47 Feb 2012 #68

Perhaps you can answer the question surfdog Feb 2012 #70

Yes. That's how it's different from a KE weapon. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #72

From his own link surfdog Feb 2012 #71

No, it doesn't. There's no projectile. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #73

I've tried to verify but I do remember reading that Iran has 1000's of various missiles Purveyor Feb 2012 #21

And after the first missile is fired, we will be dropping 10s of thousands of bombs. jeff47 Feb 2012 #26

Maybe. Maybe not. krispos42 Feb 2012 #58

reminds me of the buildup to attacking iraq....fear works spanone Feb 2012 #7

Translation: Give more money to the MIC or the bogeyman will eat you. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #12

Sunburn missles? We can spray them with Coppertone lol nt msongs Feb 2012 #13

And the 'silkworms', well we can just make pretty, pretty scarfs out of them all. eom Purveyor Feb 2012 #24

For the interested. The following link will produce all headlines on DU2 & 3 related to Purveyor Feb 2012 #27

Every weapons platform Iran has that could be a threat to an American asset is being monitored stevenleser Feb 2012 #35

missile strikes on any US ship would lead to air strikes on Iranian missile sights Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #36

The drift of this story is the Iranians don't need no missile sites for the Sunburns Brother Buzz Feb 2012 #41

There is no credible reports of Iran having Sunburns. hack89 Feb 2012 #46

And Isreal claims... surfdog Feb 2012 #59

But we have actual evidence of Israeli nukes hack89 Feb 2012 #60

How about the Yakhonts missile? FarCenter Feb 2012 #75

There is no evidence that they have those either. hack89 Feb 2012 #77

Why would any country sell weapons to another country? ronnie624 Feb 2012 #79

Let them close it... UAE has and KSA have pipelines to bypass it... JCMach1 Feb 2012 #48

It's Iran's 2,000 NAVAL MINES, ProgressiveEconomist Feb 2012 #54

Iran isn't going to preemtively attack anyone. ronnie624 Feb 2012 #55

I wish that was going true, but that may not be the case. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #76

All we have to go on is Iran's history, ronnie624 Feb 2012 #78

Sadly, that history stopped in 1979. AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #80

To close the straight? They don't need them. Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #66

Rumsfeld war gamed this scenario--and Lost Hawkowl Feb 2012 #69