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jazzimov

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16. NO, but maybe - allow me to explain....
Wed May 15, 2013, 10:27 PM
May 2013

First of all, this was done without knowledge of the WH, or even of the guys who report to the WH. So, although the POTUS is ultimately responsible for the people underneath him, he trusts the people who report to him. If they don't know about something, they can't report it. But, technically, they SHOULD know because it's their job to know, which means they SHOULD be able to report it to the POTUS. The POTUS is only human, after all, and he has to be able to delegate duties. The people that he delegates these duties to he trusts to do their job - which means that if anyone screws up beneath them, ultimately it means that the POTUS screwed up for trusting them in the first place.

Remembering that "nobody is perfect", the POTUS has to evaluate the entire body of work of his underlings - not just individual lacks of judgement.

In the case of the IRS, they were instructed to search - not for political philosophies such as "progressive vs conservative" - but for keywords, regardless of party affiliation. Many of these keywords were associated with "anti-tax" groups that had publicly advocated "not paying taxes".

Considering the huge influx of groups requesting tax exempt status following the SCOTUS decision of Citizen's United, as a front line worker I can imagine that I would have appreciated any way to focus and/or narrow down my investigations.

Personally, since this tax exempt status was SUPPOSED to be limited to groups with some sort of "Social Impact", they were obviously taking advantage of a loophole to gain tax-exempt status.

Although I find the claims of these groups despicable, they were technically "legal". By the same token, I think that the actions of the IRS were technically "legal".

Although there is plenty of reason for BOTH sides to cry "foul" - I don't think anything illegal was done.

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Liberal Groups ‘Progress Texas,’ Emerge America,’ And ‘Clean Elections Texas’ Targeted By IRS Tx4obama May 2013 #1
Yes 1000 times yes. Exultant Democracy May 2013 #2
Yeah, when it happens to GreenPeace or PETA, etc, the M$M doesn't give a shit, either. Electric Monk May 2013 #3
We need to be wary of citizen based initiatives.... Old and In the Way May 2013 #4
The IRS inspector general says that the Tea Party groups were treated inappropriately hack89 May 2013 #5
So all the Tea Party groups scrutinized were treated unfairly but none of the other groups were? Bjorn Against May 2013 #7
Why don't you read the report? hack89 May 2013 #13
I skimmed through the report and it only reinforces the point I was making Bjorn Against May 2013 #17
It explicilty says the Tea Party groups were made to provide information hack89 May 2013 #19
Where does it say that no other groups besides the Tea Party had to provide this information? Bjorn Against May 2013 #21
Not only does it not say that Chathamization May 2013 #23
Exactly. Why does the report not mention the other groups that received the letter? Bjorn Against May 2013 #24
Because of this: Chathamization May 2013 #25
Exactly, you clearly get what is going on here. Bjorn Against May 2013 #26
Thanks. Chathamization May 2013 #29
They also said they didn't look at whether or not other groups were treated inappropriately Chathamization May 2013 #10
Read the report. It has all those details. hack89 May 2013 #14
Did you read it? Not only does it not have those details Chathamization May 2013 #18
It explicitly says the Tea Party groups were made to provide information hack89 May 2013 #20
And it explicitly says "We did not review the use of other named organizations on the BOLO listing" Chathamization May 2013 #22
What other groups would that be? hack89 May 2013 #27
Yep. Chathamization May 2013 #28
Yes. The IRS and the administration have overdone the apologies to the Tea Party groups. John1956PA May 2013 #6
Relatively few delays? Read the report hack89 May 2013 #15
According to the report... BlueCheese May 2013 #8
There are limits the political activities that 501c(4) groups can participate in Bjorn Against May 2013 #11
this has the stench of a set up all over it.... spanone May 2013 #9
Yes! Chathamization May 2013 #12
NO, but maybe - allow me to explain.... jazzimov May 2013 #16
"The other side of the aisle" does not own duh TeeVee. There will be no apology. n/t dogknob May 2013 #30
The Teabaggers are a terrorist group IMO Politicalboi May 2013 #31
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