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In reply to the discussion: Iran's Arsenal Of Sunburn Missiles Is More Than Enough To Close The Strait [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)37. Keep digging!
First off you were comparing the intercontinental ballistic missile that travels into space and carries nuclear warheads with the tiny sunburn missile that travels just above the ocean water comparing the two is completely absurd
No, I'm mentioning that during the cold war, the Russians spent a lot of money and effort on making mobile launchers to hide from the US. And since the cold war ended, it has been reveled we knew exactly where every single one of them was. Using far older satellite technology.
The Iranians don't have anywhere near the Soviet Union's military budget, and the Soviets failed. And in the subsequent 2 decades, I assume our surveillance technology has gotten much better.
Second you're implying that since the sunburn would be hidden in the mountain ranges around the straits that it would be easy to shoot down once it's launched , that is simply not accurate we cannot shoot down that missile without a whole Lotta luck
No. Try reading again.
When you move the missile further away to hide it in the mountains, you extend reaction time because the missile is traveling much farther.
And you cannot tell me that we have missiles that travel that fast as they're leaving the launch tube, that statement is completely not accurate , go ahead and show me the missile we have that's traveling twice the speed of sound as it leaves the launch tube
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot
Edited to add: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIM-161_Standard_Missile_3
And as for the missile taking out a ship without even detonating it could totally happen look at the shape charges that were going off in Iraq
So your argument is that explosives demonstrate how non-explosives work. Did you take a moment to think about how dumb this example is? How a pressure wave from explosives is nothing like a strike from a bullet?
Energy equals mass , Einstein taught us this
Only in nuclear explosions where mass is actually converted into energy. In conventional explosions, the energy is entirely dependent on chemistry, and no mass is actually lost. High-energy compounds rapidly oxidize into low-energy compounds.
And then we get down to the case where an SS-N-22 runs into a ship and doesn't explode. Again, no mass will be converted into energy. Instead, the missile will try to punch a hole through the ship's armor. It will likely succeed, but at best we're talking about a relatively small hole compared to the size of a warship. They might have to turn on a bilge pump, if the swells are pretty high that day. Sure, the ship will need repair, and people will die. But the ship will still be floating.
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Iran's Arsenal Of Sunburn Missiles Is More Than Enough To Close The Strait [View all]
Purveyor
Feb 2012
OP
I seriously doubt they would try to sink a carrier after being attacked by the 'West' but I do
Purveyor
Feb 2012
#5
The Straits are 25 miles wide and the center channel is about 12 miles from Iran...
Old and In the Way
Feb 2012
#8
Wouldn't that place the missile launchers themselves in a confined, target-able space?
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2012
#51
I believe they are built on both fixed and mobile launch platforms - land based and sea based.
Old and In the Way
Feb 2012
#53
can you provide me with a list of engagements, successful or not, that consisted of just bombing?
frylock
Feb 2012
#40
I would call dismantling a million man army in less than a month a fucking success.
Muskypundit
Feb 2012
#44
So you honestly think no one would notice Iranian ships stopping thousands of times
jeff47
Feb 2012
#23
That's good to hear. Seems like the coming Iran War should be a relative cakewalk
Hugabear
Feb 2012
#32
He linked the two different kinds of anti-tank weapons to show you the difference
jeff47
Feb 2012
#68
I've tried to verify but I do remember reading that Iran has 1000's of various missiles
Purveyor
Feb 2012
#21
And after the first missile is fired, we will be dropping 10s of thousands of bombs.
jeff47
Feb 2012
#26
Translation: Give more money to the MIC or the bogeyman will eat you.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2012
#12
And the 'silkworms', well we can just make pretty, pretty scarfs out of them all. eom
Purveyor
Feb 2012
#24
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Purveyor
Feb 2012
#27
Every weapons platform Iran has that could be a threat to an American asset is being monitored
stevenleser
Feb 2012
#35
missile strikes on any US ship would lead to air strikes on Iranian missile sights
Motown_Johnny
Feb 2012
#36
The drift of this story is the Iranians don't need no missile sites for the Sunburns
Brother Buzz
Feb 2012
#41