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Donald Ian Rankin

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Thu May 16, 2013, 02:48 PM May 2013

I.D can explain more of the observed facts evolution can: how evidence works. [View all]


Intelligent Design is capable of explaining more of the things we see than the theory of evolution can.

There are a great many questions which biologists have not answered yet, and many which they may well never answer. There are even some things which at first glance look seemingly paradoxical from an evolutionary PoV (counteradaptive display characteristics like the peacock's tail are a classic example, and there are some very ingenious suggestions as to how something like that evolved; genetic predisposition to homosexuality is another one).

By contrast, "God did it" is a perfectly plausible answer to every question, peacock's tails included. As a way of explaining why we *do* see what we *do* see, ID and similar supernatural theories are more powerful than any kind of science.

The reason evolution is both more plausible and more useful than supernatural theories is that evolution *couldn't* explain a great many things that we *don't* see. That means that it has predictive power, and can thus be used to develop technology and plan further experiments.

By contrast, the "God did it" theory can support and evidence you already have, but it doesn't help you at all when it comes to guessing what else God might do.

The definition of evidence for a hypothesis is *not* "an observation consistent with that hypothesis", its "an observation that would be more likely to occur if the hypothesis were true than if it were false".

The probability of the world being as it is under ID is low - God could make it this way, or he could make it any number of other ways. But only a small subset of those possibilities are compatible with evolution, and so seemingly being in one of those possibilities (or almost in it, if you accept seeming paradoxes as weak evidence against, which if you're being consistent you should) is evidence for the stronger hypothesis.


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Deus ex machina, literally. eShirl May 2013 #1
The peacock's tail, the extravagant proboscis of the male tblue37 May 2013 #2
"Are" is overly confident, I think. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #4
The peacock's tail as a consequence of sexual selection is also supported by HereSince1628 May 2013 #21
The Problem With That, Sir, Is That It Is Untestable The Magistrate May 2013 #3
That's a red herring, I think. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #5
If You Cannot Test The Validity Of An Explanation, It is An Article Of Faith The Magistrate May 2013 #6
Or a guess. But that's an orthogonal question to whether or not it's right. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #7
Claiming It Does Explain, Sir, Claims Validity For It, Making It An Article Of Faith The Magistrate May 2013 #10
That's not my view, stated or otherwise - was that a deliberate or an accidental misstatement? Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #13
Then This Whole Thing, Sir, Is Not Worth Disturbing the Path Of a Single Electron Over The Magistrate May 2013 #14
I strongly disagree. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #16
"I think that a lot of people don't really understand how evidence works" MattBaggins May 2013 #44
Well, no. Of course it doesn't, and I didn't say it did. Please read before commenting. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #57
you know what Intelligent Design is, don't you? CreekDog May 2013 #17
What do you mean by "scientifically strong"? Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #22
um, no zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #53
I'm afraid that's a complete non-sequitur; I think you may have misunderstood. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #54
a fine example zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #55
Please read before commenting. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #56
A perfect debunk DonB May 2013 #34
We seriously have proponents of Intelligent Design at DU?... SidDithers May 2013 #8
I've never seen any, but it's a useful illustration. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #9
"God did it" is not an explanation of anything. It is a suspension of explanation. Bolo Boffin May 2013 #11
No and yes respectively. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #12
No it is purely a suspension of explanation MattBaggins May 2013 #45
why does existence exist? DeadEyeDyck May 2013 #31
Why is yellow yellow? n/t Bolo Boffin May 2013 #40
You make a good point about the meaning of "explain" mathematic May 2013 #15
ID pretends that the Intelligent Designer is the only reasonable explanation. It's not. DetlefK May 2013 #18
I much prefer "we wouldn't be having this discussion" TrogL May 2013 #19
2 is not provable, it's wrong Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #23
For someting to be wrong-it has to be provable doesn't it? Johonny May 2013 #25
No, absolutely not. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #28
In the process of proving something right or wrong- I.E. is it provable Johonny May 2013 #33
Huh??? hobbit709 May 2013 #20
Yours is the first truly appropriate response to the OP CBGLuthier May 2013 #24
When criticising language use, make sure not to omit apostrophes... Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #29
I do believe that my intent was clear CBGLuthier May 2013 #32
Against, of course, as is made plain in the OP - try actually reading it. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #42
Bayes requires facts and relevant data MattBaggins May 2013 #47
Then try praying instead of taking antibiotics. n/t Ian David May 2013 #26
Try reading posts instead of guessing what you think they might say. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #27
I don't think anyone seems to understand what you're trying to say. n/t Ian David May 2013 #30
As a theory I.D. Is useless as it is not falsifiable. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #35
Absolutely, but I think the point is possibly better cast in terms of predictive power. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #43
So utterly wrong alarimer May 2013 #36
Intelligent Design Does NOT automatically mean "God". What part of that simple truth do you not get? KittyWampus May 2013 #37
Uh no, ID is crypto creationism. Warren Stupidity May 2013 #41
"It therefore had to exist from the very beginning since like begets like." MattBaggins May 2013 #48
Almost all of that is nonsense, apart from the last line, which is just comedy. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #49
No it isn't. MNBrewer May 2013 #38
A key requirement for a good logical theory is that it not prove too much. struggle4progress May 2013 #39
For ignorant bible-thumping republicans, perhaps SoCalDem May 2013 #46
So, I'm guessing you didn't read the OP either? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #51
I do not need answers, I just am Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #50
Kick...nt SidDithers May 2013 #52
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