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Zen Democrat

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8. This is what happens when you burn double-agents within Al Qaeda.

Thu May 16, 2013, 05:06 PM

May 2013

I have no love for the AP. I've read so many false, exaggerated and slanted stories emanating from the AP that I don't respect them as some fountain of first amendment rights.

The ACLU isn't the be all and end all for me either. I agree with them about 60-70% of the time. Not this time.

This glorification of press "freedom" involves a fantasy about an Ideal America that never was. Some members of the press are are honorable and even heroic. Most of them are lazy ideologues who say and write what they are told, or expected to say, and don't fight for shit. People who read the foreign press are generally more educated about what goes on in America than people who read the domestic scripted and scrubbed "news" sanitized for the clean American mind.

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I Think I'll Side With The ACLU On This... [View all] WillyT May 2013 OP

du rec. nt xchrom May 2013 #1

I think I'll side with protecting American lives and not giving them up for sake of scoop uponit7771 May 2013 #2

this had nothing to do with protecting American lives. and yes, holder is lying cali May 2013 #4

Oh ah? GoneOffShore May 2013 #13

The government can go in front of a judge and explain their reasons Luminous Animal May 2013 #29

What judge? Where? nt msanthrope May 2013 #34

You can protect American lives AND not trash the Constitution. Hissyspit May 2013 #35

What? Now you tell us. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #73

What makes you think anything of the sort happened? MNBrewer May 2013 #39

freedum!!1 frylock May 2013 #56

What a very good American you are. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #58

Wow... Where Do You Live... And Why Is It So Dangerous There ??? WillyT May 2013 #62

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." - George W. Bush, 2001 Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #70

You have the right idea. Give up your rights and just go with fascism. rhett o rick May 2013 #71

Looks like a "drop a turd and run" kinda post. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #74

Sounds eerily reminiscent ... GeorgeGist May 2013 #3

The ACLU opposes a national registry. Let's assume that the NRA does as well. So what? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #47

The thing that annoys me is that the DOJ's able to do this with just a subpoena. backscatter712 May 2013 #5

The subpoena was issued by a grand jury Warpy May 2013 #28

But they were to tell so AP what they were doing so AP could take it before a judge. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #38

Great Info..,. Thank You !!! WillyT May 2013 #67

Which is why I am withholding judgement for now SteveG May 2013 #43

"The subpoena was issued by a grand jury"? Says who? Someone else speculated about this, but AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #48

I actually think a warrant would have been difficult wercal May 2013 #76

That's the point of requiring a warrant. backscatter712 May 2013 #77

Oh I agree wercal May 2013 #79

Well, ProSense May 2013 #6

Pushing the passage of the Shield Law is the good that can come out of this? Matariki May 2013 #21

You will not gen an answer but 10 links to other posts. n-t Logical May 2013 #49

DOJ wasn't going after the AP, they are going after the government leaker. Tx4obama May 2013 #7

If there really was a leaker "that could put lives at risk".... former9thward May 2013 #12

I don't remember the full story, but when the fact of the leak came out ... Tx4obama May 2013 #16

This is what happens when you burn double-agents within Al Qaeda. Zen Democrat May 2013 #8

I support the ACLU 100% of the time MNBrewer May 2013 #42

The ACLU was thrown under the bus here long ago. DesMoinesDem May 2013 #9

If it was a Republican administration that did this, DU would be hopping mad. Matariki May 2013 #10

Actually, ProSense May 2013 #14

Actually yes. Most folks here would be VERY angry over sweeping surveillence of reporters Matariki May 2013 #15

Well, ProSense May 2013 #17

The Plame case targeted specific reporter(s) for a specific reason Matariki May 2013 #18

Again ProSense May 2013 #19

They were spied on. Matariki May 2013 #25

Really? ProSense May 2013 #32

I though that many Dems your wrong about targeting reporters in regards to the Plame case... Luminous Animal May 2013 #30

You are correct tavalon May 2013 #26

Same here. And I'll list off the good stuff that Obama has accomplished in his defense. Matariki May 2013 #33

It would seem to me, that anyone who has been here for a long time, tavalon May 2013 #37

Some people have a very 'team sport' approach to politics Matariki May 2013 #40

You just hit my personal irk nail on the head tavalon May 2013 #45

+10000 LittleBlue May 2013 #41

Yes, no doubt the DU is as biased as the GOP was about Bush at times. n-t Logical May 2013 #50

SO TRUE. forestpath May 2013 #60

If the ACLU opposes the probe, will Teabaggers favor it? Viking12 May 2013 #11

Huge K&R, and let's keep it in context, too. woo me with science May 2013 #20

The ACLU got this one right. - nt badtoworse May 2013 #22

I side with the ACLU tavalon May 2013 #23

I'm waiting a little longer to pass judgement. We may learn later that someone was killed or placed kelliekat44 May 2013 #24

Probably the first time I haven't just jumped on board w/the ACLU -- I agree, gateley May 2013 #27

"There ought to be some limits on what media or journalists publish...." mike_c May 2013 #31

There already ARE limits demwing May 2013 #44

well, I'm talking about JOURNALISM, not just writing generally.... mike_c May 2013 #63

So, we've established my proposal as sound in principle demwing May 2013 #64

BTW - if you started from the premise that journalists have objective standards demwing May 2013 #65

There was/is a grand jury investigation going on about the AP...... Little Star May 2013 #36

I'll side with the outed agent who saved hundreds of lives on that Detroit Airplane. DevonRex May 2013 #46

there is a small bunch here who don't believe that there are any real terrorists OKNancy May 2013 #52

Same bunch who believe Dzhokhar DevonRex May 2013 #53

Ya Know... You Are Under Attack In Oklahoma... Just By Conservative Republicans... WillyT May 2013 #69

ACLU!? Aren't they under the bus yet!? Why.. they oughtta be! villager May 2013 #51

I'm confused. Didn't the "Patriot" ACT They_Live May 2013 #54

ACLU has had an axe to grind with Obama lately. mwrguy May 2013 #55

"The media's purpose is to keep the public informed..." randome May 2013 #57

I don't have a problem with the AP "scandal" but I also realize that the ship has sailed underpants May 2013 #59

Finding a national security leak JimDandy May 2013 #61

I agree with the ACLU. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #66

The government needs to quit taking people's phone records without a warrant right away. nt limpyhobbler May 2013 #68

Give it up already madokie May 2013 #72

Are You An American Or Not ??? WillyT May 2013 #78

I'm with you. NaturalHigh May 2013 #75