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20. Huge K&R, and let's keep it in context, too.

Thu May 16, 2013, 05:33 PM

May 2013

This violation of the press is hardly an aberration in the increasingly broad, intrusive, authoritarian state that has been cultivated and protected since 9/11. Anyone who has not read it should take a long look at the ACLU's detailed, damning indictment of what is being done to our fundamental rights and privacies, first under Bush and now under Obama:

Report - A Call to Courage: Reclaiming Our Liberties Ten Years After 9/11
http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/acalltocourage.pdf

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I Think I'll Side With The ACLU On This... [View all] WillyT May 2013 OP

du rec. nt xchrom May 2013 #1

I think I'll side with protecting American lives and not giving them up for sake of scoop uponit7771 May 2013 #2

this had nothing to do with protecting American lives. and yes, holder is lying cali May 2013 #4

Oh ah? GoneOffShore May 2013 #13

The government can go in front of a judge and explain their reasons Luminous Animal May 2013 #29

What judge? Where? nt msanthrope May 2013 #34

You can protect American lives AND not trash the Constitution. Hissyspit May 2013 #35

What? Now you tell us. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #73

What makes you think anything of the sort happened? MNBrewer May 2013 #39

freedum!!1 frylock May 2013 #56

What a very good American you are. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #58

Wow... Where Do You Live... And Why Is It So Dangerous There ??? WillyT May 2013 #62

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." - George W. Bush, 2001 Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #70

You have the right idea. Give up your rights and just go with fascism. rhett o rick May 2013 #71

Looks like a "drop a turd and run" kinda post. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #74

Sounds eerily reminiscent ... GeorgeGist May 2013 #3

The ACLU opposes a national registry. Let's assume that the NRA does as well. So what? AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #47

The thing that annoys me is that the DOJ's able to do this with just a subpoena. backscatter712 May 2013 #5

The subpoena was issued by a grand jury Warpy May 2013 #28

But they were to tell so AP what they were doing so AP could take it before a judge. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #38

Great Info..,. Thank You !!! WillyT May 2013 #67

Which is why I am withholding judgement for now SteveG May 2013 #43

"The subpoena was issued by a grand jury"? Says who? Someone else speculated about this, but AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #48

I actually think a warrant would have been difficult wercal May 2013 #76

That's the point of requiring a warrant. backscatter712 May 2013 #77

Oh I agree wercal May 2013 #79

Well, ProSense May 2013 #6

Pushing the passage of the Shield Law is the good that can come out of this? Matariki May 2013 #21

You will not gen an answer but 10 links to other posts. n-t Logical May 2013 #49

DOJ wasn't going after the AP, they are going after the government leaker. Tx4obama May 2013 #7

If there really was a leaker "that could put lives at risk".... former9thward May 2013 #12

I don't remember the full story, but when the fact of the leak came out ... Tx4obama May 2013 #16

This is what happens when you burn double-agents within Al Qaeda. Zen Democrat May 2013 #8

I support the ACLU 100% of the time MNBrewer May 2013 #42

The ACLU was thrown under the bus here long ago. DesMoinesDem May 2013 #9

If it was a Republican administration that did this, DU would be hopping mad. Matariki May 2013 #10

Actually, ProSense May 2013 #14

Actually yes. Most folks here would be VERY angry over sweeping surveillence of reporters Matariki May 2013 #15

Well, ProSense May 2013 #17

The Plame case targeted specific reporter(s) for a specific reason Matariki May 2013 #18

Again ProSense May 2013 #19

They were spied on. Matariki May 2013 #25

Really? ProSense May 2013 #32

I though that many Dems your wrong about targeting reporters in regards to the Plame case... Luminous Animal May 2013 #30

You are correct tavalon May 2013 #26

Same here. And I'll list off the good stuff that Obama has accomplished in his defense. Matariki May 2013 #33

It would seem to me, that anyone who has been here for a long time, tavalon May 2013 #37

Some people have a very 'team sport' approach to politics Matariki May 2013 #40

You just hit my personal irk nail on the head tavalon May 2013 #45

+10000 LittleBlue May 2013 #41

Yes, no doubt the DU is as biased as the GOP was about Bush at times. n-t Logical May 2013 #50

SO TRUE. forestpath May 2013 #60

If the ACLU opposes the probe, will Teabaggers favor it? Viking12 May 2013 #11

Huge K&R, and let's keep it in context, too. woo me with science May 2013 #20

The ACLU got this one right. - nt badtoworse May 2013 #22

I side with the ACLU tavalon May 2013 #23

I'm waiting a little longer to pass judgement. We may learn later that someone was killed or placed kelliekat44 May 2013 #24

Probably the first time I haven't just jumped on board w/the ACLU -- I agree, gateley May 2013 #27

"There ought to be some limits on what media or journalists publish...." mike_c May 2013 #31

There already ARE limits demwing May 2013 #44

well, I'm talking about JOURNALISM, not just writing generally.... mike_c May 2013 #63

So, we've established my proposal as sound in principle demwing May 2013 #64

BTW - if you started from the premise that journalists have objective standards demwing May 2013 #65

There was/is a grand jury investigation going on about the AP...... Little Star May 2013 #36

I'll side with the outed agent who saved hundreds of lives on that Detroit Airplane. DevonRex May 2013 #46

there is a small bunch here who don't believe that there are any real terrorists OKNancy May 2013 #52

Same bunch who believe Dzhokhar DevonRex May 2013 #53

Ya Know... You Are Under Attack In Oklahoma... Just By Conservative Republicans... WillyT May 2013 #69

ACLU!? Aren't they under the bus yet!? Why.. they oughtta be! villager May 2013 #51

I'm confused. Didn't the "Patriot" ACT They_Live May 2013 #54

ACLU has had an axe to grind with Obama lately. mwrguy May 2013 #55

"The media's purpose is to keep the public informed..." randome May 2013 #57

I don't have a problem with the AP "scandal" but I also realize that the ship has sailed underpants May 2013 #59

Finding a national security leak JimDandy May 2013 #61

I agree with the ACLU. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #66

The government needs to quit taking people's phone records without a warrant right away. nt limpyhobbler May 2013 #68

Give it up already madokie May 2013 #72

Are You An American Or Not ??? WillyT May 2013 #78

I'm with you. NaturalHigh May 2013 #75