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In reply to the discussion: Holder is not a progressive. Holder is not a civil libertarian. [View all]Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)They never argued for the KKK or anyone having a right to oppose the civil liberties of others, as the KKK did when they colluded with segregationists that tried to deny the civil liberties of those not lily white and bigoted, don't you remember the part they played? Free speech is a right granted via our civil liberties, The ACLU will argue for your right to claim the bill of rights is in opposition to law enforcement, they would not argue that you have a right to deny the rights of others by opposing the liberties granted by the bill of rights (as some misguided belief that that is your duty as a LEO). LE is actually supposed to protect our rights. We are moving backward, I have already granted, but you do not seem to grasp what civil liberties are.
Many of the groups are formed to protect the civil liberties of specific targeted groups, such have typically been minorities, semitic people, women, disabled, LGBT as well as other targets; a new target of anti civil liberties proponents are those involved in occupy or 99% movements, the principle is the same and the occupy movement may need a "letter group" to specifically try to protect their rights (which are being stomped on by LE).
I don't have the time to teach a course to you on civil liberties, but I can give you a quick primer
A Short History
The civil liberties we have today weren't created; they evolved.
Inch by inch, technicality by technicality, the British system of law that once allowed for the absolute rule of the monarch gradually became a system that respected Parliament and, when it was transplanted to the United States, eliminated the monarchy from the equation entirely. The Bill of Rights, once an unenforceable series of promises, has become the centerpiece of our criminal justice system. Here's how it happened.
1215: The Power of the Monarchy is Reduced
The Magna Carta restricts the absolute power of British monarchs, holding them accountable to the rule of law.
1689: The Rights of English Subjects Are Defined
The English Bill of Rights guarantees free speech to members of Parliament, bans cruel and unusual punishment, and supports a limited right to bear arms.
1776: The Power of the Monarchy is Rejected
In the U.S. Declaration of Independence from Britain, Thomas Jefferson argues that the sole legitimate purpose of government is to protect individual rights.
1787: A New Democratic System is Established
The new U.S. Constitution establishes limited roles for the President and Congress, but does not yet grant significant power to the Supreme Court.
1789: The Rights of U.S. Citizens Are Defined
The U.S. Bill of Rights protects the natural rights of U.S. citizens from infringement by U.S. Congress, but because the Supreme Court has no power to strike down legislation, it is in effect little more than a statement of principles. At this point in history it applies exclusively to the U.S. government--and not to U.S. states, which have their own, separate bills of rights.
1803: A Mechanism for Protecting Rights is Created
In Marbury v. Madison, the Supreme Court strikes down its first law and in so doing establishes its power to strike down unconstitutional legislation.
1868: The Rights of U.S. Citizens Are More Clearly Defined
The Fourteenth Amendment is ratified. Although its original purpose is to limit the efforts of Southern states to severely restrict the rights of recently freed slaves, it effectively makes individual states accountable to the human rights standards established in the Bill of Rights--though it will be more than a half century before the Supreme Court comes to that conclusion.
1925: State Legislatures Must Respect the Rights of U.S. Citizens
In Gitlow v. New York, the Supreme Court holds that states are bound by the U.S. Bill of Rights by way of the Fourteenth Amendment. The means by which the Fourteenth Amendment extends the power of the Bill of Rights is most commonly referred to as the incorporation doctrine.
1965: The Right to Be Left Alone is Defined
In Griswold v. Connecticut, the Supreme Court holds that the Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution imply a right to privacy. This right to privacy will later be cited in court rulings legalizing abortion (Roe v. Wade, 1973) and striking down laws prohibiting gay sex (Lawrence v. Texas, 2003).