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Chan790

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65. If one of you can give me the height of the turbine in meters...

Fri May 17, 2013, 01:05 PM

May 2013

I can settle this by telling you the minimum initial-velocity the turbine blade would have had to be moving to travel a horizontal range of 2200m...which is one mile. (I don't have the physics either but I have an online trajectory solver and it has the physics and does the computations for me.) http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/traj.html#tra4

v₀=R√g/2h

Virtually every other vector in this equation is either known or a constant. There are further factors to consider such as the weight of the blade and the blade has drag as it travels through the air (physics is so much easier in a vacuum)...but all those only act to reduce the range of the blade requiring yet-higher initial velocities...and I suspect that even in ideal circumstance in a vacuum we're nowhere near the needed v₀ to propel the blade 2200m.

range (R) is 2200m.
gravitational constant (g) is 9.8m/s²
height (h) is what I just asked you for.
Solving for v₀ in m/s

As an example, if the turbine were 200m tall, the blade would have needed an initial velocity along its trajectory of 344.35m/s to travel the needed distance. That's 770MPH.

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Off by more than the length of a semi trailer. nt Codeine May 2013 #324

Well what did you expect? Honest journalism? Rex May 2013 #325

We need wind generated electricity but we need the safest possible. 1500 accidents in the past 5 yrs byeya May 2013 #351

"When one of the blades failed in a windstorm a part of the blade traveled over a mile." winter is coming May 2013 #356

This is from the Caithness Windfarm analysis of accidents involving these structures, March, 2013 byeya May 2013 #361

The Caithness Windfarm appears to be an anti-wind organization. winter is coming May 2013 #363

I'm looking through their website and have downloaded the file giving details of incidents. winter is coming May 2013 #365

Okay, here's a report summarizing tornado activity in Kansas last year: winter is coming May 2013 #367

I would expect people, or a group, who either opposes something or wants change of some sort to byeya May 2013 #366

That's not a bad place to start, but taking the word of an interested party at face value winter is coming May 2013 #368

Since this Caithness group puts the events in such detail, I would wait and see what the industry byeya May 2013 #371

Saying the blade traveled a mile without mentioning it happened during a tornado is fearmongering. winter is coming May 2013 #374

He said "pieces" of blade - so not the whole blade. I can see it falling and cracking and particles sammytko May 2013 #384

If the blade has been reduced to "particles" then we also need to worry about broken glass winter is coming May 2013 #387

No but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps to mitigate against a technology that can be byeya May 2013 #393

If indeed this is the one mile incident, then the site should have clearly stated it happened in byeya May 2013 #392

There's a file you can download from the Caithness website, describing the incidents. winter is coming May 2013 #394

I stood DIRECTLY under a wind turbine earlier today MNBrewer May 2013 #372

There's one with a really short tower near me, in MineralMan May 2013 #377

Looks absolutely terrifying if you're a tumbleweed. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #381

The trail where it fell is used, regularly nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #382

That is not a home. That is a building that houses equipment for the site. sammytko May 2013 #383

Wrong, it's a home nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #385

Really? MNBrewer May 2013 #391

You called it a structure pintobean May 2013 #404

Is it really not a home like Nadin said? tammywammy May 2013 #386

I dunno, but there's nothing there but the building and a tall wooden fence to the right. winter is coming May 2013 #388

I find it very difficult to believe that that's a house. Marr May 2013 #410

Size alone wouldn't make it not a residence. winter is coming May 2013 #389

The tree could be blocking stuff. It could be a house. hrmjustin May 2013 #390

What is that thing sticking out from the top left? sammytko May 2013 #395

If it is a house it is not a pretty one but the picture is on a bad angle. hrmjustin May 2013 #396

Lots of pics here at this facebook page for the ocotillo project - no small house sammytko May 2013 #400

No those pictures do not show a house. hrmjustin May 2013 #401

There are in this picture. Nowhere near it but it is the best I can find in the set. uppityperson May 2013 #417

OMG we better outlaw trees Kali May 2013 #399

So those 53m blade appear in the photo about the same size as a 1m window muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #402

See post 404. She used a zoom. pintobean May 2013 #405

Good job! n/t sammytko May 2013 #406

I don't understand. Do you have something against wind power? Marr May 2013 #407

no. i made my feeling clear nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #408

you are part of a campaign that the Kochs and others Whisp May 2013 #409

Yes, the Koch do fund a lot of media and this seems like one of their papers. Hard to tell at times. freshwest May 2013 #416

She can't wait for the lawsuit. Rex May 2013 #422

Why are you shouting? RudynJack May 2013 #411

That is a newspaper style sheet nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #427

I'm really sorry, but... Marr May 2013 #412

Some of that money is coming from Siemens nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #425