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170. Your statements are not wrong, but the revolving door between industry

Fri May 17, 2013, 03:49 PM

May 2013

And government agencies, and of course the situation where the Coporate Persons can buy candidates, all that translates into what Eisenhower originally called the Military/Industrial/Governmental complex.

One of the first things out of Bill Casey's mouth when he was made head of the CIA in the 1980's was a quote to the effect that over the next 15 years, everything the press would tell the American people would be a lie.

If something is touted as a headline, I really begin to believe the opposite is true.

In one instance, that regarding the gas additive MTBE, I did a detailed and multi-year account of how the Big Media forces handled the situation. This is why I am so very dubious of what our press says, at all times, about everything. (Other than one of the fluff stories, like "Golden Retrievers make good pets.&quot

The piece is a good read, so feel free to see what you think when/if you have a chance:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/06/22/540267/-The-TRUTH-Versus-the-Mainstream-Media

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The AP's being investigated by a grand jury for who they coordinated with in Congress over the leak. [View all] msanthrope May 2013 OP

This is going to circle right back to a Republican leaking classified information, yet once again. Ikonoklast May 2013 #1

That's what I'm thinking JustAnotherGen May 2013 #3

If that is true someone should go to jail this time. still_one May 2013 #56

Someone should go to jail for leaking a covert op. nt msanthrope May 2013 #62

The House of Reps AP phone wasn't subpoenaed for nothing...and why won't they release the 'letter?' msanthrope May 2013 #4

I am starting to wonder when the Republicans in Congress will start screaming in unison Ikonoklast May 2013 #7

Here's something interesting--it wasn't done by National Security Letter.... msanthrope May 2013 #19

I believe that was on purpose. Ikonoklast May 2013 #20

No Patriot Act or NDAA--plain old DC grand jury....and here's the thing on the letter msanthrope May 2013 #24

Yep. I'm willing bet there are some Republican undies getting fudged right about now. Ikonoklast May 2013 #29

ahhhhhh dreaming of perp walks Voice for Peace May 2013 #46

I hope so.. Cha May 2013 #99

I haven't been paying close attention & appreciate your OP here. Voice for Peace May 2013 #43

Yep. And the MSM will suddenly decide this story isn't "news worthy". n/t bushisanidiot May 2013 #38

+ 1 Berlum May 2013 #112

But will anyone be paying attention by then? efhmc May 2013 #113

That's where this is heading. harun May 2013 #123

I think you got it - all with due process - AP's cred will go down with the pubbies. freshwest May 2013 #128

I would love that JustAnotherGen May 2013 #2

Well, if I was an investigative journalist, I might ask why a major news organization msanthrope May 2013 #6

It will show just how far in the tank the AP is for them, sucking up to Republicans Ikonoklast May 2013 #9

Same here JustAnotherGen May 2013 #13

If the "letter" is actually a subpoena involving a Grand Jury truedelphi May 2013 #131

Yes--on the rest of thread there is a bit of a debate about that. I would like it answered, and msanthrope May 2013 #133

Yeah, ProSense May 2013 #5

And there you have it. DevonRex May 2013 #8

You know, we have investigative journalists on this board. I want some answers. nt msanthrope May 2013 #11

Hahaha!!!! DevonRex May 2013 #32

I have a confession--dyslexia forces me to use the spell check. When I don't, msanthrope May 2013 #33

I have a confession... DevonRex May 2013 #39

this whole three-pronged fusillade of bullshit against Obama MjolnirTime May 2013 #84

That's right. DevonRex May 2013 #87

DU Rec... SidDithers May 2013 #10

Oh, this is getting good... one_voice May 2013 #12

Shove over JustAnotherGen May 2013 #15

Yep... one_voice May 2013 #21

excellent analysis... chillfactor May 2013 #14

The bad economy, the failure of Occupy, etc. has made for some understandable disgruntlement, IMO. randome May 2013 #26

+1,000 - The Nabobs have been very false, disingenuous and condescending-NT Anansi1171 May 2013 #65

There's a lot of good thinkers on this board. Cha May 2013 #100

On one of the first threads about this the other day davidpdx May 2013 #102

This is one of those scenarios in which I think I know only 50% of the relevant information LanternWaste May 2013 #16

Probably a good policy davidpdx May 2013 #103

But...but...Obama....Holder...but...but MineralMan May 2013 #17

Facts are good, and one might wonder why the AP isn't showing a major one---the msanthrope May 2013 #22

The more facts the better, I say. MineralMan May 2013 #23

The letter from the government to the AP would have the code section under which msanthrope May 2013 #27

Could well be. I imagine it will be revealed in time. MineralMan May 2013 #31

OP claims "letter" is actually a Grand Jury Subpoena in a nat'l security case. Says AP can't leveymg May 2013 #36

Well, wait a second--has the AP said it isn't legally releaseable? Why are they being msanthrope May 2013 #45

Ah, but gang of 8 means the Majority and Minority Leaders plus Chair and Ranking Members of Intel Co hedda_foil May 2013 #95

Somehow, I don't see Boehner in that role, but Cantor? Wouldn't surprise me. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #109

They could redact it or they could state it is a GJ matter. Or they could say they can't say. randome May 2013 #52

I believe the OP is incorrect. Fed Rule of Cr P 6(e) states that a witness can reveal info re FedGJ leveymg May 2013 #64

Post 74 outlines the local rules exception and the grand juror exception. msanthrope May 2013 #75

Interesting. Very, very interesting. City Lights May 2013 #18

"Anybody remember how in the Spring... ProSense May 2013 #25

Oh--how interesting. Romney blamed Obama for the leak, and now, the AP is msanthrope May 2013 #30

Here's the AP email address: info@ap.org. Unless someone knows of a better one. randome May 2013 #28

I'm trying to find Gary Pruitt's...there's a 2nd letter he's not releasing, and msanthrope May 2013 #35

Here's the email I just sent. randome May 2013 #34

I got the DC desk email--- wdcdesk@ap.org msanthrope May 2013 #40

Thanks! I'll send one to that address, too! randome May 2013 #44

Curious ~ have you heard back on this?? n/t CaliGal May 2013 #151

Not a thing. nt msanthrope May 2013 #160

Pretty good speculation there... I hope you are right OKNancy May 2013 #37

k/r Dawson Leery May 2013 #41

thankyou! Whisp May 2013 #42

People have worked themselves into such a conspiracy frenzy about this President Voice for Peace May 2013 #49

I remember when the Clenis fascinated Democrats, as well as Republicans. msanthrope May 2013 #54

Let's hope this tidbit settles down all the freakazoids calling for Holder's head railsback May 2013 #47

It's amazing what comes out of the woodwork. nt msanthrope May 2013 #50

Probably Scooter Libby again.. those damn leakers Voice for Peace May 2013 #48

I also think it's highly likely that the leaker is a Republican. winter is coming May 2013 #51

More interesting is the role of the AP in this--if the leaker is a Republican, then msanthrope May 2013 #53

Looks like a vaible timeline, and points directly at a Republican operation. Ikonoklast May 2013 #60

Between this and the story about the Repubs deliberately falsifying emails re: Benghazi Number23 May 2013 #70

I was wondering how the AP confrimed the veracity of the "tip." Liberal In Texas May 2013 #156

Fascinating stuff. Thanks for posting n/t emulatorloo May 2013 #55

I am giving this a standing ovation. Very good news that is fit to print!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anansi1171 May 2013 #57

This is why Senate Republican's are standing down on this Quixote1818 May 2013 #58

Precisely--this could be Gang of Eight. msanthrope May 2013 #61

exactly, msanthrope! hopemountain May 2013 #59

OP- Please cite a source for your claim that a subpoenaed witness cannot publish an subpoena leveymg May 2013 #63

You are forgetting the DC circuit local rules. msanthrope May 2013 #66

Local Ct. Rules don't trump Fed Rules of Criminal Procedure. leveymg May 2013 #67

If you look at rule 6e you will see the exception. And post 74 outlines msanthrope May 2013 #73

It's possible there's a sealed indictment that may have sealed records including subpoenas (Rule 6). leveymg May 2013 #83

Well, if I am wrong about the rule, then why haven't they published? msanthrope May 2013 #90

If there's a sealed indictment, the subpoenas may also be sealed. The witness can talk about their leveymg May 2013 #106

You're conflating a few different things ...but again, why haven't they published? msanthrope May 2013 #110

When an indictment is sealed, the court docs - including the subpoenas - normally are, as well. leveymg May 2013 #126

Like I said....you are conflating a few different things. But you seem to have conceded the point msanthrope May 2013 #134

Put some links out, and I'll read it. leveymg May 2013 #140

I can't link off my Lexis account.*** msanthrope May 2013 #143

I have a Lexis Acct. and Pacer. leveymg May 2013 #144

No...I mean I cannot hotlink off this friggin' phone. If you are in Lexis, though, msanthrope May 2013 #146

Sounds like interesting bedtime reading! leveymg May 2013 #149

Nah...the Clinton grand jury report is what you want for bedtime. nt msanthrope May 2013 #150

I remember that 'proof'! LOL! randome May 2013 #153

In addition to the absence of support for such a claim, it seems that there is an absence of AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #68

My dear former IRS lawyer...would you care to look at 6e (3)(B)(5) in the DOJ handbook msanthrope May 2013 #74

If the very nature of the grand jury means that it operates in secrecy Number23 May 2013 #72

Then they should be upfront about that -state that they cannot publish because of that reason. randome May 2013 #78

I'm not sure that you read my response right. Number23 May 2013 #86

Msanthrope, I'd take one of you over 5 dozen of the Hair on Fire Brigade any damn day of the week Number23 May 2013 #69

Well said... SidDithers May 2013 #77

+1 SunSeeker May 2013 #89

K & R malaise May 2013 #71

judith Miller forever destroyed my faith in "free press" mainer May 2013 #76

Bravo. graham4anything May 2013 #79

Two days ago, Michael Isikoff made this point: ProSense May 2013 #80

Cui bono? cvoogt May 2013 #81

And the ratfucking allies who heap it on.....nt msanthrope May 2013 #82

Regarding the foreign policy creds: YES. DevonRex May 2013 #85

The title of the OP makes a concrete claim (AP's being investigated by GJ) then doesn't back it up. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #88

Um, a subpoena means investigation. As in, if you get a subpoena, do you msanthrope May 2013 #91

If it's a fact that the AP is the object of a GJ investigation I apologixe. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #92

Is "object" a legal term, defined by statute? nt msanthrope May 2013 #94

Thanks n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #115

The M$M tried to slander it with the use of 'taps' Rex May 2013 #93

I really hope your correct. blackspade May 2013 #96

Just asking again Half-Century Man May 2013 #97

This is stupidly wrong Yo_Mama May 2013 #98

Actually, thank you for proving my point--where is that letter? They keep referring msanthrope May 2013 #105

Maybe the AP doesn't want to divulge the namrs morningfog May 2013 #107

Oh...watching it play out now? Awesome. nt msanthrope May 2013 #111

Yes, if the alternative is unfounded speculation morningfog May 2013 #120

That might be the funniest thing you've ever written to me! nt msanthrope May 2013 #135

They can redact or they can state they cannot publish. randome May 2013 #116

Very Informative OP, msanthrope.. Cha May 2013 #101

I hope it's Cantor, if he's in the Gang, is he? nt Ilsa May 2013 #104

I hope it is Issa. Rex May 2013 #119

That would be sweet! I don't know offhand Ilsa May 2013 #166

Excellent and informative post. Thank you. k&r n/t Laelth May 2013 #108

k&r... spanone May 2013 #114

"The AP's being investigated by a grand jury" michigandem58 May 2013 #117

Yes. You get a subpoena, you are being investigated. nt msanthrope May 2013 #147

Question for msanthrope pmorlan1 May 2013 #118

No, comrade, I am not a "Party official." Seriously, though, I do work for various msanthrope May 2013 #137

Thanks pmorlan1 May 2013 #145

There are some Party people on this site. I think it's up to them to say who msanthrope May 2013 #165

If Boomerang Tossing Were An Olympic Event cynzke May 2013 #121

Love yr description/analogy. truedelphi May 2013 #132

This thread makes me smile-Thanks for the information Gothmog May 2013 #122

Interesting Blog post pmorlan1 May 2013 #124

He makes the wrong point. randome May 2013 #125

In the bubble pmorlan1 May 2013 #127

'Sweeping attempt'. randome May 2013 #129

And of course, in a nation that is slipping into truedelphi May 2013 #130

Do you think we have a free press in practice? LiberalAndProud May 2013 #168

Your statements are not wrong, but the revolving door between industry truedelphi May 2013 #170

Let me get this straight.... GoCubsGo May 2013 #136

Why, yes--that's about the long and the short of it. nt msanthrope May 2013 #139

I would like to say this shocks me. GoCubsGo May 2013 #141

I recommended this because I want the conversation front and center tavalon May 2013 #138

The thing is, tavalon--this isn't new. The grand jury has always msanthrope May 2013 #142

I thought it was actually going back and listening to the conversations tavalon May 2013 #154

Absolutely no wiretap. This is a subpeona of certain business records, allowed msanthrope May 2013 #159

So, where did they find the craptastic idiots for Clinton? tavalon May 2013 #161

What??? The Clinton DC grand jury rocked! They refused to true bill msanthrope May 2013 #162

Allowing Holder to secretly gather the information tavalon May 2013 #163

What? Congress allows this, by statute--here's the link to 28 CFR 50.10 msanthrope May 2013 #164

Perhaps we, the public, should start demanding that the AP release the letter. Produce the letter. Skidmore May 2013 #148

Here is the email address to use: wdcdesk@ap.org. randome May 2013 #152

I think the AP should release the letter..redacting phone numbers msanthrope May 2013 #169

I remember Romney's smirk when he jumped on the Benghazi event with mostly wrong information. nt patrice May 2013 #155

Some of us recall PO saying on 9/12/12, or there-abouts, an INVESTIGATION was under-way AND patrice May 2013 #157

little kick. . . .n/t annabanana May 2013 #158

k&r... spanone May 2013 #167