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leveymg

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12. Thnx. The twisting of the narrative by the GOP probably benefits Obama in the long run by obscuring
Fri May 17, 2013, 04:51 PM
May 2013

the real issues at stake - the unanticipated costs of serial blowback and the failure of the "humanitarian" regime change model. That's an irony that the Repugs probably don't grasp.

But, blowback from the Libyan and Syrian regime changes, and the earlier covert operations in Chechnya, Kosovo and Bosnia, are actually part of a larger ongoing disaster for the US. The Soviet Union's collapse has resulted not in a peace dividend but the rise of ambitious and wealthy adversaries, and further overextension of the U.S. Each failure to restabilize after a setback illustrates how little real power we still have to effect outcomes in the MENA region and South Asia. Like the Russians before us, our interventions only weaken us and show the rest of the world just how vulnerable and rusted out we have become. The American people are the only ones fooled by all the secrecy and disinformation that goes along with these operations.

We are only beginning to feel the real domino effect - serial blowback from a whole series of misconceptualized covert operations and failed regime changes carried out over several decades. Secret wars never end. They are now cascading into each other -- the terrorists we supported in the Transcaucasus, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq now turn on us -- making the situation ever more chaotic and uncontrollable. In the midst of this we aren't even trying to contain the rise of Saudi Arabia/GCC as the dominant power in the region, and the Saudis and their Sunni proxies really, really don't like us at all, in the same way the Egyptians and Persians hate the British. But, this is far worse than the collapse of the British Empire, because we have been continually at war for well over a decade, and haven't even begun to create an exit strategy for ourselves. We can't even admit that it is our "allies" who have been funding AQ and are reaping the benefits as they fill our vacuum of power.

The bipartisan Cold War establishment in Washington now has to operate largely in secret because of public revulsion to the colossal debacle of Iraq and its costs, the buildup to which which was itself a semi-covert operation backed by the same people who are still largely in charge. They continue to run US foreign policy by the same strategy of propaganda and deception aimed at the American people as they did during Iran-Contra and the buildup to the invasion of Iraq. I don't have a lot of confidence that the thing can change course and save itself.

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+10000. THIS is really the story. What was the US Ambassador doing there knowing all of that? riderinthestorm May 2013 #1
Yes yes yes! +1000000 dkf May 2013 #4
K&R Solly Mack May 2013 #2
Holy cow I had never heard this part before... dkf May 2013 #3
And this is why the Bengazi 'scandal' is going nowhere. reformist2 May 2013 #5
No. If Benghazi goes nowhere it's because 2 governments DevonRex May 2013 #16
There was s story out about a year ago. Wellstone ruled May 2013 #6
I'll take trying to create an Iran 1979 moment to turn Obama into the ReTHUG conceptualization malaise May 2013 #7
When this first happened and I'd put on my tinfoil hat deutsey May 2013 #8
Blowback. nt bemildred May 2013 #9
This is a valuable and well-written summary of the back story behind the attack. But, nothing leveymg May 2013 #10
+1. I remember leveymg. Very few people participated in those threads but you were there... nt riderinthestorm May 2013 #11
Thnx. The twisting of the narrative by the GOP probably benefits Obama in the long run by obscuring leveymg May 2013 #12
Syria and Iraq are far from over -- the whole region is a tinder-box FarCenter May 2013 #17
I smell a steenkin' Petraeus in this story. Whisp May 2013 #13
you know how the Pugs accuse the opposition of the same things they themselves do. Whisp May 2013 #14
"A source told Fox News" and "Rand Paul told CNN"... DevonRex May 2013 #15
Arms smuggling to Islamic Extremists in Syria TakeALeftTurn May 2013 #18
The "Arab Spring" will be the point at which Sunni Islamist Arabs began to consolidate their power FarCenter May 2013 #19
Weekend kick for a really important story nt riderinthestorm May 2013 #20
"Move along. Nothing to see here." - Generalissimo Pet Ray Us (R) Berlum May 2013 #21
Is this the old Rand Paul story being recycled? HereSince1628 May 2013 #22
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