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nadinbrzezinski

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306. Well, here we really don't have that much wind

Sat May 18, 2013, 12:39 AM

May 2013

Also...we have noticed that for the most part failure stories are not in a central repository. This place I found tonight is the closest to a central repository I have seen.

For the record, the cancer cluster locally was identified last year. It is not due to wind. I have heard two working theories, one makes perfect sense to me, not wind, the other makes zero sense to me. Again, it's not wind.

They need to test both, and let me repeat this, neither is wind.

Given the nature of this kind of research it will take at least five years to confirm or discard either of the two theories. In that sense public health is slow.

There are a few other clusters world wide, again way early in the research, and again, none of the working theories says wind.

It s sad this has to be clarified, but hey, such is life.

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RESIDENTS OF OCOTILLO AND BOULEVARD SPEAK OUT, SHARE SAFETY FEARS AFTER TURBINE BLADE FALLS [View all] nadinbrzezinski May 2013 OP

"... could have landed in a house.� Except there's no house. Scuba May 2013 #1

Houses are less than a mile from the complex. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #3

The chances of a broken turbine hitting a local house and causing injury are very slim. nt ladjf May 2013 #4

And it has happened nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #5

If you have a point, I missed it. Do you feel that the turbine shouldn't have been erected ladjf May 2013 #8

For many reasons that facility is indeed at the wrong place nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #9

How about listing say the top five. ladjf May 2013 #17

Erratic winds nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #23

Those are ALL things that can be discussed and are reasonable to take into consideration. MNBrewer May 2013 #45

What woo? nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #55

That's not "PBS" MNBrewer May 2013 #170

As they say, those who are married to attacking developing nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #174

It's one person's opinion MNBrewer May 2013 #178

well at least it wasn't just another article Kali May 2013 #194

These 5 are doozies: Liberty Belle May 2013 #292

Fail. All from the same biased source, no thank you. NYC_SKP May 2013 #340

You mean the newspaper doing the work nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #353

And the blade fell within the foot print of the swept area of the turibine jpak May 2013 #10

LOL madokie May 2013 #161

It fell on a trail. If this had been daytime on this public land popular with off-roaders Liberty Belle May 2013 #294

Do you have a link backing up your 3/4 of a mile claim? Codeine May 2013 #333

Cities have wind farms, too. baldguy May 2013 #12

Hell, I've got eight of them less than a mile from my house, and other homes are much closer... Scuba May 2013 #6

You go argue with PBS who ran this nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #7

A mile???? MNBrewer May 2013 #16

I know you don't nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #24

I'd be glad to MNBrewer May 2013 #26

Go hug one nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #53

I just did, and i'm still alive. MNBrewer May 2013 #172

Whatever, have a good long fracking life repeating nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #175

Well whose talking points are YOU repeating? MNBrewer May 2013 #180

You cannot compete with someone that has 50 degrees. Rex May 2013 #234

50 degrees pintobean May 2013 #248

Remember when she dissed Doctors Without Borders for showboating in Haiti? Junkdrawer May 2013 #286

we aren't allowed to ask the omni-expert for evidence of ridiculous claims Kali May 2013 #61

Ain't that a riot!? Rex May 2013 #66

not even criticism Kali May 2013 #70

I guess it is hard being Perfect Rex May 2013 #145

Maybe they can go into partnership with Amy and Samy in Scottsdale. GoneOffShore May 2013 #157

If one of you can give me the height of the turbine in meters... Chan790 May 2013 #65

Will this help? Hong Kong Cavalier May 2013 #73

You forgot Kim Jong Un, Californinia Wildfires, and Police Scanners. FSogol May 2013 #101

You got a very rich imagination nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #119

According to Wikipedia jeff47 May 2013 #188

You forgot Poland MattBaggins May 2013 #260

Alternative calculation - yields a maximum theoretical range for the blade of about 275m muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #249

she said they don't move, but this one decided to throw itself at someone Rise Rebel Resist May 2013 #287

If I felt it was worth ten minutes of my time, I could calculate... Buzz Clik May 2013 #217

Mach 2. Rex May 2013 #246

Mach 2. Hm. I guarantee they don't spin that fast. Not Mach 1.. Buzz Clik May 2013 #265

My guess is that they would launch at less than 50 mph. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #277

for posterity Kali May 2013 #62

Maybe someone can translate this because I have no f'ing clue maddezmom May 2013 #64

it looks like she is claiming a broken turbine can fling a blade up to a mile away. Kali May 2013 #74

And the wind was 25. Jamastiene May 2013 #282

warp factor? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #283

ok, this is MAJOR speculation, because I don't really know WTF she is refering to... Kali May 2013 #284

A broken blade can fly as far off as a mile Rex May 2013 #76

Ok, got it... but what is the 25 about? maddezmom May 2013 #80

25 mph winds? winter is coming May 2013 #100

Ya, no clue not even going to guess on that one. Rex May 2013 #106

Flying Terror Turbines of Death. winter is coming May 2013 #78

This one is a terrible threat to almost 4 million people in the city of Toronto... SidDithers May 2013 #94

But where's the gargoyle, perching on the blade? OMFG, invisible gargoyles!!!! n/t winter is coming May 2013 #102

Sid you are going to make the List! Rex May 2013 #130

Oh, I made the list a long, long time ago... SidDithers May 2013 #133

Dam I am jealous, I currently made the List Rex May 2013 #136

OMG greytdemocrat May 2013 #240

Alberici Construction has one at I-170 and Page pintobean May 2013 #258

Heck I live across the lake and it is a threat to me! whistler162 May 2013 #281

she's the saying the sky is falling dlwickham May 2013 #173

if they fly upwards like that, they could take down an airliner! Whisp May 2013 #163

Nadin - Houses are less than 1/2 mile from turbines; another blade flew 3/4 of a mile in Boulevard. Liberty Belle May 2013 #291

No. No way did a blade fly 3/4 of a mile anywhere, ever. Pure nonsense! NYC_SKP May 2013 #341

if you look at the picture the fallen blade zerosumgame0005 May 2013 #403

There are hundreds, if not thousands of radio towers/TV towers littering our cities and suburbs titaniumsalute May 2013 #421

And in the right site, this is not it, nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #424

Awe the kinship you must feel with these movers of hot air! obliviously May 2013 #247

Houses are less than a half mile away, and another blade locally flew 3/4 of a mile. Liberty Belle May 2013 #289

you have posted claim that several times with no links or evidence - got anything? Kali May 2013 #295

"and aren't you affiliated with this publication as well?" winter is coming May 2013 #297

I recall a discussion with that poster over a related matter Kali May 2013 #301

In one of the other threads she is identified as the editor kiva May 2013 #343

the editor makes the reporter seem reasonable Kali May 2013 #344

Hadn't seen that one, kiva May 2013 #345

! Kali May 2013 #346

The "editor" links to "windaction.org" which is to a Tea Party and Koch Brothers supported group: NYC_SKP May 2013 #347

Well, that explains a lot, then. MineralMan May 2013 #364

And another piece falls into place... SidDithers May 2013 #348

No. Another blade most certainly did NOT fly 3/4 of a mile. WTH do you get this crap? NYC_SKP May 2013 #419

Was a time, back in the early eighties when.... Brother Buzz May 2013 #420

"Siemens issued a statement indicating it has suspended operations worldwide of the failed turbine Brickbat May 2013 #2

Did you expect 'fair and balanced' reporting? Rex May 2013 #245

When it comes to reporting, I expect nothing from the OP. Brickbat May 2013 #259

The Siemens SWT-2.3-108 Turbine has blades that are 53m long. Codeine May 2013 #331

That's what I figured. Brickbat May 2013 #334

The OP is mildly amusing to me Vinnie From Indy May 2013 #11

Before you laugh too hard nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #18

You don't have to follow bad style conventions from other sites muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #251

That's her MO Floyd_Gondolli May 2013 #89

you forgot WaterAPgate inbetween there. Whisp May 2013 #166

sweet, we have kids driving energy policy snooper2 May 2013 #13

Did you bother reading the whole story? nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #20

I lost interest after the first two snooper2 May 2013 #75

Well, I can't help it. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #82

I'm just a bit interested in who Donna is. Whisp May 2013 #169

Actually, you *can* help it. Brickbat May 2013 #222

Heh. Brickbat May 2013 #21

is it leaking radiation into the ground or the atmosphere yet? piratefish08 May 2013 #14

Ten years you will eat those words nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #15

What mechanism do you propose for wind turbines to cause cancer? MNBrewer May 2013 #19

That is what Cal State San Marcos Researchers are asking nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #22

"That is what we call science."... SidDithers May 2013 #25

This is all Woo-WOO BS MNBrewer May 2013 #29

I see an iggy list in your future...nt SidDithers May 2013 #31

WHat's an iggy list? MNBrewer May 2013 #32

Posters who question nadin are often added to her ignore list... SidDithers May 2013 #36

Ah, Mine is quite small, but then I'm not a paying member so... MNBrewer May 2013 #42

Same here, ya something happened all right. Rex May 2013 #134

Ask these dudes Warren DeMontague May 2013 #39

I remember seeing Iggy talking HappyMe May 2013 #215

So Cal State found woo nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #90

Would love to hear about it but you won't provide any links? Why is that? maddezmom May 2013 #92

Could we have a journal citation? A link to the technical report? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #129

Research is starting nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #135

If research is "starting", they don't have a conclusion yet. winter is coming May 2013 #139

Just for you nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #140

Heather Goldstone holds a PhD in Ocean Science... SidDithers May 2013 #148

"We do not yet have controlled, peer-reviewed studies that nail down exactly how many people are winter is coming May 2013 #149

That is science speak for we are just starting the research nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #151

"Just starting the research" *is* science-speak for "we can't prove shit". winter is coming May 2013 #155

We will see. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #160

I'm not repeating industry talking points. Unlike you, I have some understanding of science. winter is coming May 2013 #164

"I got some understanding of science, unlike you " nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #171

Whoa! pecwae May 2013 #181

"I have", not "I got". winter is coming May 2013 #182

That's not even a hypothesis, it's an observation Progressive dog May 2013 #179

Slowly now nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #183

So amillion to one it wasn't turbines Progressive dog May 2013 #192

I will wait the decade or so for research nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #197

You didn't wait even five minutes for research. Progressive dog May 2013 #203

It doesn't really matter, it is not like this was meant to be argued over. Rex May 2013 #239

That has people saying "your DNA acts as an antenna" muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #255

Careful, now... MineralMan May 2013 #142

Do have a link to the Cal state researchers? maddezmom May 2013 #38

I looked and found something about a study being done by Cal State San Marcos MNBrewer May 2013 #47

Yeah, it is mentioned here as well but no links to the actual study maddezmom May 2013 #57

still - I'd rather live underneath a wind turbine than live 50 miles from a nuke plant...... piratefish08 May 2013 #41

I'd rather live under roof top solar nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #46

Would you like me to provide the information about all the horrific things that batteries can do jeff47 May 2013 #196

They call the wind "Moriah," you know. MineralMan May 2013 #58

+1 Buzz Clik May 2013 #214

Infrasound cannot damage DNA or induce oncogenes jpak May 2013 #266

Cancer due to wind farms? maddezmom May 2013 #28

Of course not, it's SCIENCE! MNBrewer May 2013 #30

Cancer from wind farms? Apophis May 2013 #81

Cancer clusters are happening nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #83

You have no science to back up your bogus claim. Apophis May 2013 #85

Cal State San Marcos does have a cluster in their hands nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #87

Nowhere in the link you keep providing does it indicate actual, proven cancer clusters MNBrewer May 2013 #184

Of course it doesn't but it isn't going to stop her from s maddezmom May 2013 #213

It's all woo. Apophis May 2013 #288

So the cluster is woo? nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #296

Saying there is a cluster is woo MNBrewer May 2013 #311

There are no cancer clusters MNBrewer May 2013 #177

Wait. Cancer? From windmills? Is that what you're saying? Buzz Clik May 2013 #211

the clusters are there nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #227

Nadin, you have tossed out a lot of stuff that defies science. Truly. Buzz Clik May 2013 #237

once sgain. slowly....not from wind nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #242

No one but you is saying the cluster is from the wind farm maddezmom May 2013 #244

So share with us -- what is causing this cluster? Buzz Clik May 2013 #264

I shared with you what we know nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #268

I guess that's the science part, right? You see a cluster, decide the cause, and research it? Buzz Clik May 2013 #270

I report my dear nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #275

rotating objects cause cancer? MNBrewer May 2013 #310

And *that* is why you should never taunt Happy Fun Ball. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #314

You assume the OP cares about being 'fair and balanced'. Rex May 2013 #326

I must admit to having caught the annoyance virus when it comes to her. Buzz Clik May 2013 #329

Just keep disagreeing with her and she will put you on her ignore list. Rex May 2013 #330

So now it could be Roundup not the wind farm, turbines or infrasound...... maddezmom May 2013 #272

This message was self-deleted by its author CBGLuthier May 2013 #221

What does that mean? Matariki May 2013 #256

we have a cancer cluster near a wind farm nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #257

OH MY GOD! We've got a wind leak! n/t backscatter712 May 2013 #40

!!! Kali May 2013 #67

Aren't those called "farts"? FSogol May 2013 #105

Amazing how much gas those wind turbines pass! n/t backscatter712 May 2013 #121

Toxic turbine farts Progressive dog May 2013 #156

Oh My LondonReign2 May 2013 #27

It has begun. Hong Kong Cavalier May 2013 #33

IT COULD HAVE CLOBBERED SOMEONE Warren DeMontague May 2013 #34

Wind-power illnesses? Sounds like someone needs to see a psychiatrist. backscatter712 May 2013 #35

Yup, predictable nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #48

I don't think this link means what you think it means. MNBrewer May 2013 #199

Nadin, "yeah, but PBS sez....." is not a definitive argument for anything Canuckistanian May 2013 #315

Yup, we know, wind is pure nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #317

Just because NPR ran it doesn't mean the study holds any weight maddezmom May 2013 #319

You do seem to be worked up about this Canuckistanian May 2013 #320

Head in sand? So the blade the other day did not fall nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #321

Seems like at least half of the people in this thread are on your ignore list. winter is coming May 2013 #323

OH NO! A WIND SPILL! JaneyVee May 2013 #37

When a turbine fire starts a major wild fire we'll talk nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #51

Southern CA is one of the places NEEDS periodic fires MNBrewer May 2013 #312

Woo me with garbage science? Rex May 2013 #43

Isn't that the blade, lying right behind MineralMan May 2013 #44

RADIOACTIVE TURBINES! Rex May 2013 #49

Well, I have no doubt that a loose turbine blade MineralMan May 2013 #60

WHO CARES JUST BE SCARED OF THE ALL CAPS!! Rex May 2013 #69

ALL CAPS DON'T SCARE ME! MineralMan May 2013 #71

THE UPPER CASE LETTERS HELP! CreekDog May 2013 #50

Once again, for the dim witted nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #52

This is a newspaper? Wow. Also, it's "dim-witted" not "damn witted" CreekDog May 2013 #54

Yes, yes it is... nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #56

No, no it's not. This is a discussion forum and it's rude to shout on the Internet. winter is coming May 2013 #72

So you are telling me that the County of San Diego nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #79

No, I'm telling you that DU is not a newspaper. If you've got time to cut and paste an article, winter is coming May 2013 #86

Sorry, will follow the paper's style nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #88

Please quote the relevant sentence(s) from the Terms of Service. winter is coming May 2013 #98

I will continue to do that nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #116

This is GD and all caps are annoying rude to use on a discussion board. maddezmom May 2013 #120

Psst! This in not in LBN. Ptah May 2013 #122

And your point nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #127

Yes, it is petty of you to quote a rule for LBN when this is in GD. Ptah May 2013 #131

You do not have to read it nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #137

This is General Discussion, and the LBN title rule says *nothing* about fonts. winter is coming May 2013 #126

I will continue to copy paste nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #152

What is petty and egotistical is ignoring netiquette that's been convention for decades. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #159

It's never an issue, unless it's an inconvenient subject nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #162

A title that spans two lines is a lot more offensive than something only three words long. winter is coming May 2013 #165

Easy peachy, put me on ignore nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #168

It's - easy peasy maddezmom May 2013 #209

Why are you angry about caps? hrmjustin May 2013 #354

I find it annoying to see OP titles in all caps because it's like shouting. This one was winter is coming May 2013 #355

well I am confused because you just posted in the thread I linked below and as of 1:05 PM hrmjustin May 2013 #357

Does that title span two full lines in your browser? It doesn't, in mine. winter is coming May 2013 #358

So two lines are not good but one is fine. hrmjustin May 2013 #359

Two lines are egregious. One, I don't care for but might not complain about. winter is coming May 2013 #360

The reason I bring it up is because you have seemed to make Nadin your cause and I just want hrmjustin May 2013 #362

Um, no. winter is coming May 2013 #369

No you don't post in everyone of her posts but neither do her fan club. hrmjustin May 2013 #370

That OP is NOT in all caps. Occulus May 2013 #375

LOL I did not see that but I don't think it changes anything. hrmjustin May 2013 #376

Different style sheet, maybe. Occulus May 2013 #378

Or mabye it is Nadin and people can't let that pass by without comment. This poster was not hrmjustin May 2013 #380

This is GD not LBN without the strict posting guidelines. Nt uppityperson May 2013 #150

That isn't in the TOS...it is a LBN rule to use actual title of an article. maddezmom May 2013 #103

The words, yes, but there's no requirement to use the same font/style. Oy. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #117

Yup! maddezmom May 2013 #123

Wrong. Rex May 2013 #114

You have now crossed the line, boyo! MineralMan May 2013 #63

Couldn't you just re-tpe the headline w/o the caps? maddezmom May 2013 #59

how dare you! i'm putting you on my ignore list. CreekDog May 2013 #68

Since the article you link/copynpasted was written by you, seems you could modify it for DU. uppityperson May 2013 #146

I'm sure your shelves are crammed with Miss Congeniality awards. Whisp May 2013 #186

You are wrong. There's no case styling at all for the H1 titles. greyl May 2013 #335

I am wrong? So that is not the paper's style sheet? nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #336

Yes, wrong. Maybe you're using some different, non-CSS definition of "style sheet", but greyl May 2013 #337

You are thinking page coding nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #338

It didn't hit a house and they don't cause headaches. Apophis May 2013 #77

As long as I get my morning coffee nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #84

Putting a quote in a lead Floyd_Gondolli May 2013 #91

A quote from a kid, no less. Brickbat May 2013 #216

Awesome thread... SidDithers May 2013 #93

Wind turbines are not very efficient and are subject to failure like the article describes. Wind, byeya May 2013 #95

There are also alternative blade less nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #99

Thanks for that information. Concentration and monopolization are preferred by large corporations byeya May 2013 #111

Except they're not more efficient. jeff47 May 2013 #208

Except for that whole "night" problem. jeff47 May 2013 #202

Yeah, but how often does that happen? Orrex May 2013 #423

I wonder how often this happens? hrmjustin May 2013 #96

In this county the last failure was in 2010 nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #104

I remember driving with my father through California and seeing over a hundred of these hrmjustin May 2013 #110

Some of them are actually sited nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #115

There has been some proposals to put these off the coast of NYC and LI. hrmjustin May 2013 #118

Well connected communities nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #124

You got crickets because the idea is so dumb the audience was shocked into silence. MindPilot May 2013 #204

place looks pretty barren and windswept to me Sheepshank May 2013 #97

When I get home, just for you nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #108

Seems to me you might learn a good journalistic lesson here. Brickbat May 2013 #231

I believe the one she post was one she had. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #308

I guess you could ask pintobean May 2013 #313

I assume you're home by now. Codeine May 2013 #332

As far as I can tell maddezmom May 2013 #109

Almost... SidDithers May 2013 #113

REPLY #51...AND ALL THOSE FIRES Sheepshank May 2013 #132

Cave people made the first fires with wind turbines. n/t Whisp May 2013 #191

BINGO! Rex May 2013 #143

Just for you nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #373

Oh, the magic of the telephoto lens Brother Buzz May 2013 #379

there are other issues as well...like killing eagles... codemoguy May 2013 #107

Yup. Raptor takes have been part and parcel of lawsuits nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #112

got some links for tribal objections/loss of assets? Kali May 2013 #141

Thought I had your number.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #125

So you think we should not report on inconvenient nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #128

YEP. Rex May 2013 #138

? hrmjustin May 2013 #153

Wind turbines are loathesome greenwash. hunter May 2013 #144

You got it nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #147

people that disagree with you haven't bought the corporate line, Kali May 2013 #187

More and more people are figuring that out every day... SidDithers May 2013 #198

Well she is not a reporter Rex May 2013 #220

She is too a reporter at present, with media card and everything. Brother Buzz May 2013 #230

We can all be journalists, too maddezmom May 2013 #233

ignorant SJSwitz May 2013 #261

Thanks for explaining maddezmom May 2013 #263

thx SJSwitz May 2013 #273

Well you know everything posted on the Internet has to be true Rex May 2013 #241

Thanks, you are correct. I've been reading this thread with amusement watching the ignorance about sabrina 1 May 2013 #339

As I said in another thread nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #426

By that logic, we should build nothing in tornado-prone states. Throd May 2013 #154

I like lizards, you insensitive bastard. Buzz Clik May 2013 #219

I know someone whose dissertation was about lizard snot. Seriously. winter is coming May 2013 #226

So how DO you collect lizard snot? Occulus May 2013 #397

Wipe their noses with Q tips??? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #398

I guess the only answer is fossil fuels forever. Problem solved. ZRT2209 May 2013 #158

Nope, they are not the solution nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #167

Wind's EROI (Energy Return On Input) is something like 50. Tar Sands? Something like 5.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #176

Nothing is perfect, but for myself I would rather have a wind farm close by than Cleita May 2013 #185

Which my local utility nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #189

But turbines can't poison the water table, so where's the thrill of risk? winter is coming May 2013 #193

Tar sands will give a return on investment faster...assuming YOU don't have to pay.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #200

Wind energy isn't as impact free as its proponents would like you to believe... badtoworse May 2013 #190

interesting information to be discussed, for sure. Whisp May 2013 #195

To most experts, though, there's a problem with the bird-mortality argument: HiPointDem May 2013 #201

It depends on who you ask badtoworse May 2013 #205

Even that estimate is only about 1% of the mortality attributed to lighted communication towers. winter is coming May 2013 #207

In practice, the location of the turbines is important badtoworse May 2013 #223

That makes perfect sense to me. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #224

Some interesting posts from certain people that joined this thread! backscatter712 May 2013 #206

ROUNDUP is being sprayed now at wind farms including Ocotillo. The AGent Orange active ingredient. Liberty Belle May 2013 #293

Astroturf (plastic grass). First used at the now demolished Astrodome and other enclosed stadiums. freshwest May 2013 #413

Bookmarking this thread for the next time some idiot tells me ... Buzz Clik May 2013 #210

Note, that in a DUzy-like moment of serendipty, the following OP was listed right below this one: winter is coming May 2013 #212

And, for the record - Ms. Toad May 2013 #278

Very useful thread.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #218

because we all know nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #228

well..some of us are for it nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #225

If you want renewable generation that is not owned by big energy companies... badtoworse May 2013 #229

I've heard of the shit hitting the fan Warren DeMontague May 2013 #250

Go to Starbucks to clean the fan? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #252

Apparently, you get cancer. Buzz Clik May 2013 #267

Just me? Warren DeMontague May 2013 #271

Seems fair to *me*. winter is coming May 2013 #274

So you are one of those NIMBY people. Skidmore May 2013 #232

not quite nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #235

Iowa is investing heavily in wind power Skidmore May 2013 #236

these monsters have some nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #238

La Jolly? The "a" and the "y" are not that close together. MindPilot May 2013 #243

Well that settles it then. Fossil fuel it is. Matariki May 2013 #253

Please kindly do not put words in my mouth nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #262

huh? Matariki May 2013 #290

Read the pile on nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #298

Watch the documentary Windfall by Laura Isreal Jacoby365 May 2013 #254

I know nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #269

Rec. One of the funniest threads in a long time. pintobean May 2013 #276

She's just started another one. winter is coming May 2013 #279

It that you Beetlejuice? Junkdrawer May 2013 #280

Oh, the humanity. n/t Jamastiene May 2013 #285

Yeah. let's ban all wind turbines because of this Canuckistanian May 2013 #299

Go to the link nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #300

QUICK! SOMEONE CALL DON QUIXOTE Hugabear May 2013 #302

Go here nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #303

oh .... madrchsod May 2013 #305

Well, here we really don't have that much wind nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #306

Nadin: That link of yours is to a Tea Party and Koch Brothers supported group: NYC_SKP May 2013 #342

It is a repository of articles and editorials. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #349

I agree that remote generation is prefered and tests need to continue. NYC_SKP May 2013 #350

My problem with *industrial wind* nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #352

ONWARD! randome May 2013 #304

YES!!! MNBrewer May 2013 #327

You win the thread! And the Internets! GoneOffShore May 2013 #328

This blade might not have hurt anyone, but.. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #307

How could it have cause major damage in a storm? Codeine May 2013 #318

By landing on a house. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #415

It can't go far enough to do so. Codeine May 2013 #418

Really? Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #428

Nice technology there. I wonder where it's being used now. freshwest May 2013 #414

According to the most complete list Democracyinkind May 2013 #309

"a blade the length of a jumbo jet plane" Codeine May 2013 #316

That's one hell of a discrepancy n/t OhioChick May 2013 #322

Off by more than the length of a semi trailer. nt Codeine May 2013 #324

Well what did you expect? Honest journalism? Rex May 2013 #325

We need wind generated electricity but we need the safest possible. 1500 accidents in the past 5 yrs byeya May 2013 #351

"When one of the blades failed in a windstorm a part of the blade traveled over a mile." winter is coming May 2013 #356

This is from the Caithness Windfarm analysis of accidents involving these structures, March, 2013 byeya May 2013 #361

The Caithness Windfarm appears to be an anti-wind organization. winter is coming May 2013 #363

I'm looking through their website and have downloaded the file giving details of incidents. winter is coming May 2013 #365

Okay, here's a report summarizing tornado activity in Kansas last year: winter is coming May 2013 #367

I would expect people, or a group, who either opposes something or wants change of some sort to byeya May 2013 #366

That's not a bad place to start, but taking the word of an interested party at face value winter is coming May 2013 #368

Since this Caithness group puts the events in such detail, I would wait and see what the industry byeya May 2013 #371

Saying the blade traveled a mile without mentioning it happened during a tornado is fearmongering. winter is coming May 2013 #374

He said "pieces" of blade - so not the whole blade. I can see it falling and cracking and particles sammytko May 2013 #384

If the blade has been reduced to "particles" then we also need to worry about broken glass winter is coming May 2013 #387

No but that doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps to mitigate against a technology that can be byeya May 2013 #393

If indeed this is the one mile incident, then the site should have clearly stated it happened in byeya May 2013 #392

There's a file you can download from the Caithness website, describing the incidents. winter is coming May 2013 #394

I stood DIRECTLY under a wind turbine earlier today MNBrewer May 2013 #372

There's one with a really short tower near me, in MineralMan May 2013 #377

Looks absolutely terrifying if you're a tumbleweed. Ganja Ninja May 2013 #381

The trail where it fell is used, regularly nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #382

That is not a home. That is a building that houses equipment for the site. sammytko May 2013 #383

Wrong, it's a home nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #385

Really? MNBrewer May 2013 #391

You called it a structure pintobean May 2013 #404

Is it really not a home like Nadin said? tammywammy May 2013 #386

I dunno, but there's nothing there but the building and a tall wooden fence to the right. winter is coming May 2013 #388

I find it very difficult to believe that that's a house. Marr May 2013 #410

Size alone wouldn't make it not a residence. winter is coming May 2013 #389

The tree could be blocking stuff. It could be a house. hrmjustin May 2013 #390

What is that thing sticking out from the top left? sammytko May 2013 #395

If it is a house it is not a pretty one but the picture is on a bad angle. hrmjustin May 2013 #396

Lots of pics here at this facebook page for the ocotillo project - no small house sammytko May 2013 #400

No those pictures do not show a house. hrmjustin May 2013 #401

There are in this picture. Nowhere near it but it is the best I can find in the set. uppityperson May 2013 #417

OMG we better outlaw trees Kali May 2013 #399

So those 53m blade appear in the photo about the same size as a 1m window muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #402

See post 404. She used a zoom. pintobean May 2013 #405

Good job! n/t sammytko May 2013 #406

I don't understand. Do you have something against wind power? Marr May 2013 #407

no. i made my feeling clear nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #408

you are part of a campaign that the Kochs and others Whisp May 2013 #409

Yes, the Koch do fund a lot of media and this seems like one of their papers. Hard to tell at times. freshwest May 2013 #416

She can't wait for the lawsuit. Rex May 2013 #422

Why are you shouting? RudynJack May 2013 #411

That is a newspaper style sheet nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #427

I'm really sorry, but... Marr May 2013 #412

Some of that money is coming from Siemens nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #425