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catnhatnh

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58. You posted about acoustic "syndromes" ...

Sat May 18, 2013, 02:14 AM

May 2013

...and then link to a speculative piece from which I posted excerpts which refute your original (rhetorical) question. Now as a last ditch defense you bring up bird deaths addressed nowhere else in the thread and cancer clusters not at a wind power site but rather near a manufacturer.

There is NOTHING to confirm or debunk as you well know no confirmed claims of damage are made. I just really don't even get what your argument is. Earlier I asked and you ignored the question-could a shed blade have reached the homes you admitted were a mile away? I just don't see any harm, just ill-informed morons claiming noise disturbs them. And as a guy who has lived in an urban area and near airports and factories I can tell you it is both true and irrelevant. You can dislike it-and i do-but you are not suffering a "syndrome" you are merely annoyed.

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Could Wind Turbines Be Toxic To The Ear? [View all] nadinbrzezinski May 2013 OP

Not a problem. NYC_SKP May 2013 #1

Wind also has a lot of corporate allies nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #4

That seems like a talking point. CJCRANE May 2013 #2

Infrasound is a form of pollution nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #7

Wrong - infrasound (< 20 hz) cannot stimulate the inner hair cells of the cochlea jpak May 2013 #77

Yup, that is why we have a report in audiology nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #89

That would be the metastudy you linked to that concluded we don't know one way or the other? winter is coming May 2013 #163

Here's some science jpak May 2013 #177

What part of I want a few studies to confirm or debunk are you afraid off? nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #180

The statistics are these - 280,000 MW of global wind turbine capacity jpak May 2013 #207

From your PDF nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #183

Gee - do people live under the flight paths of major airports? jpak May 2013 #206

I got your number nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #212

It's a bit disingenuous claiming the frequency response of a wind turbine is measured at the hub. Hugin May 2013 #174

I hope they can solve this, if there is a problem Politicalboi May 2013 #3

There are turbines without blades under development nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #5

That seems the most hopeful development treestar May 2013 #94

I found another to last night nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #95

If you don't use an impeller (turbine wheel) how do you drive the generator? leveymg May 2013 #119

No, here for the other two designs nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #120

Very clever - and it just might work! leveymg May 2013 #124

You need it with current blade technology nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #126

No it doesn't. A DC generator needs no "starter" current. leveymg May 2013 #144

They do have a motor at the bottom of each tower nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #149

That's not what I mean. leveymg May 2013 #169

They do, due to the size of the units. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #175

Any comment on their claimed maximum of 100W from 100 square metres? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #165

Most birds will see a 10X10 panel depending upon lighting conditions. leveymg May 2013 #173

Wind power is Toxic to the ears of oil company executives daleo May 2013 #6

Giving BP and Shell are invested in renewables nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #8

That's just hedging their bets. CJCRANE May 2013 #9

They are the largest investors nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #10

Do you have a link for that? CJCRANE May 2013 #14

Well, what do you know, BP s backing away from wind in the US nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #17

Giving? Giving BP and Shell what? DevonRex May 2013 #57

At this point, there is no telling what will be posted next. Rex May 2013 #231

I guess complete sentences are just SO yesterday DevonRex May 2013 #234

You talking about Don Coyote? Rex May 2013 #237

US wind power capacity is about 60,000 MWatts of which Shell is 550 MW and BP is 2600 MW FarCenter May 2013 #84

Smart oil companies would invest in renewables daleo May 2013 #235

What you said also applies to utilities nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #238

It's true daleo May 2013 #239

This is interesting GiaGiovanni May 2013 #11

Actually yes nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #97

How bad are these symptoms? GiaGiovanni May 2013 #222

Bad enough nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #229

YOU keep a skeptical view? catnhatnh May 2013 #12

I wonder CJCRANE May 2013 #16

No there is not nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #18

Of course there's an anti-wind power PR industry - it's talked about in your own link muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #67

Beyond sad now. Rex May 2013 #232

I've been having flashbacks to a guy named Robert McElwaine. winter is coming May 2013 #233

SOMEONE posted against it three times today... catnhatnh May 2013 #23

I am so against it nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #26

And how much power can that produce? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #68

Sounds like a waste of good water MNBrewer May 2013 #70

OH-and I never said there was a "anti-windpower industry" catnhatnh May 2013 #25

It was a rhetorical question CJCRANE May 2013 #27

Could Nadine be an anti-science woo-freak flack? catnhatnh May 2013 #30

Nice personal attack nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #34

I was merely copying your title posting style catnhatnh May 2013 #37

Well then nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #40

See here...ain't no one objecting to advancing designs... catnhatnh May 2013 #42

And I am all for actual science nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #47

You posted about acoustic "syndromes" ... catnhatnh May 2013 #58

The piece links to an actual medical journal nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #60

Pardon my French but Horsecock. catnhatnh May 2013 #62

I will use my French bullshit nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #90

yeah, that's it Kali May 2013 #59

The Journal of Audiology article MNBrewer May 2013 #73

The strange thing about that is that their patent application clearly does have blades muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #71

Unless they've applied for more than one, the patent application is more likely to be accurate. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #111

I think they may have dropped the blades as unnecessary muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #155

Looks like an aluminum pie plate flapping in the breeze MNBrewer May 2013 #191

Agreed - I think it would be very noisy muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #198

They also claim that their energy is storable, while that from turbines isn't. MNBrewer May 2013 #199

I would think that if one type is capable of storing energy, other types could be adapted. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #201

They *might* be saying that they could use the hydraulic pressure muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #203

They are purposefully vague, I think. MNBrewer May 2013 #204

Well, I guess finding out these things are not as green as I nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #19

No Nadine. Never an enemy. catnhatnh May 2013 #32

So you like this latest oil, I mean wind turbine design nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #33

This is how she really is. Rex May 2013 #209

You just hate research. winter is coming May 2013 #218

Not so! I tied myself to a propeller today to demonstrate how far it would fling Rex May 2013 #219

Damn, now you'll have to visit the oncologist. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #220

The center of mass blade would have to going 175 mph. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #236

Well, the Foehn is an Alpine wind that is reputed to cause... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #13

No thelordofhell May 2013 #15

I'd much rather have my ears damaged Control-Z May 2013 #20

There are better designs in the pipeline nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #22

Yeah. Like I've closed my mind? Control-Z May 2013 #29

Yup, that is why Shell is paying me to find THIS, which I mentioned during the day nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #31

4. eom uppityperson May 2013 #35

Seriously? 4? eom Control-Z May 2013 #48

hell, one has been self-kicked 4 or 5 times Kali May 2013 #52

Case posting in favor of oil derr...I mean blade less nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #54

How much are the oil companies paying you to post this crap here? Apophis May 2013 #21

So NPR is in the pocket of big oil? nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #24

It is a blog, nadin. mim madinmaryland May 2013 #39

I missed the NPR logo. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #41

Do you really think that wind turbines are "bad news" madinmaryland May 2013 #43

I really think we need to look at claims made by nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #51

bladeless, not blade less. n/t Whisp May 2013 #72

Right wing bullshit. MADem May 2013 #28

great paragraph in that Kali May 2013 #36

+1,000 -- it's a paranoid scare tactic with a "think of the CHILDREN" line of horseshit, to boot! MADem May 2013 #46

Kali! Control-Z May 2013 #49

there is about 8 miles of track snaked through this place Kali May 2013 #50

Oh crap! Control-Z May 2013 #61

+1 Canuckistanian May 2013 #130

The only thing that wind turbines "harm" is the bottom line of the corporate pigs in charge of MADem May 2013 #138

NO ! olddots May 2013 #38

Given those symptoms and the timing... politicat May 2013 #44

Also, headsets for cell phones. Some people seem to always wear a bluetooth device. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #45

Yup, but we can't very well do that nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #53

"I want this study repeated, and then repeated some more, and confirmed or debunked." winter is coming May 2013 #168

Quick! Everybody panic!! Electric Monk May 2013 #55

My mother told me not to stick anything in my ear smaller than my elbow. longship May 2013 #56

Can anyone provide a link to any study done showing the safety of these turbines? Hugin May 2013 #63

Why Wind Turbines Can Mean Death For Bats - Science Daily. Hugin May 2013 #65

Holy Barotrauma, Batman! nt treestar May 2013 #100

If we had approached petroleum production and carbon emissions with some skepticism loyalsister May 2013 #64

Exactly. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #91

lessons learned loyalsister May 2013 #186

the meltdown continues. Democracyinkind May 2013 #66

Let's take your reading comprehension to task nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #92

You haven't shown us any evidence of that 'cancer cluster' muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #184

Ocatillo fits a pattern, for sure MNBrewer May 2013 #69

People were once certain that traveling inside a train doing sixty miles an hour would flatten them. Ikonoklast May 2013 #88

Stephen Colbert explains wind turbine syndrome & says Obama will kill us all: Honeycombe8 May 2013 #74

What a bunch of Flat Earth Crap jpak May 2013 #75

Easy answer. YES. Wind power blows. Laelth May 2013 #76

Global wind power capacity will grow to 300,000 MW this year jpak May 2013 #79

Smile. I am quite aware of your opinion on this subject. Laelth May 2013 #81

I "sell" something you can't handle jpak May 2013 #82

Forget it Canuckistanian May 2013 #134

That's an idiotic answer muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #185

Yes, and the problem with wind power is that when the wind isn't blowing ... Laelth May 2013 #192

What's your opinion on solar power? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #195

Only makes sense if I damaged myself burnodo May 2013 #78

So now you are back to infrasound. maddezmom May 2013 #80

Community panic induced by anti-wind activism -- From the NPR article FarCenter May 2013 #83

What we are not imagining is the cancer cluster nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #93

No cancer cluster has been confirmed. At this point, it's people thinking, winter is coming May 2013 #172

My fan made me impotent. pintobean May 2013 #85

You're not supposed to stick your willy in it... SidDithers May 2013 #98

I read the whole owners manual pintobean May 2013 #99

I suppose you used it to trim your hedges, too. winter is coming May 2013 #112

Damn Skippy, that's DUzy worthy! Brother Buzz May 2013 #113

I'd say it *is* DUzy-worthy... winter is coming May 2013 #116

If you do, it could fly up to a mile. Brickbat May 2013 #143

Gallagher would say.... Omaha Steve May 2013 #86

FLASHING BLADES OF DEATH MADE ME NAUSEOUS AND DIZZY. Ikonoklast May 2013 #87

I got Morgellons from a wind turbine... SidDithers May 2013 #96

MediaMatters: NPR Gives Wind Power Hypochondriacs A Platform maddezmom May 2013 #101

"including her husband,an anti-wind activist who compares his struggle to the civil rights movement" redqueen May 2013 #108

It's good science and research to HappyMe May 2013 #136

Well, if my husband refuses to review my papers, we won't be perpetuating science any time soon. winter is coming May 2013 #153

I am sure I am on ignore so the OP won't see how flawed the study is she is maddezmom May 2013 #139

When someone wakes up they're going to smack you. GoneOffShore May 2013 #110

Check out the history of anti-wind power articles posted in the East County fishwrap... SidDithers May 2013 #115

Yes, it is obvious to those of us paying attention. maddezmom May 2013 #122

Telephone interviews and self-selected peer reviewers... JimDandy May 2013 #123

NPR proved themselves to be willing to push a corporate agenda against public interest before Iraq. redqueen May 2013 #154

Excellent article! Canuckistanian May 2013 #176

Nice catch. Hong Kong Cavalier May 2013 #202

If this was the case, you'd think that everyone would be suffering. backscatter712 May 2013 #102

That is why I want science perpetrated here nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #103

Perpertrate is not something science does. Ptah May 2013 #107

I guess creative use of the language is not in your dictionary nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #109

I thought your specialty was creative use of measurements, not language. nt Codeine May 2013 #118

That's not creative use of the language, Ptah May 2013 #121

I love the personal attack nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #127

I didn't say you are dimwitted. Ptah May 2013 #128

Sorry...if you don't like it nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #129

Welcome to my ignore list. Ptah May 2013 #131

Consider it mutual nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #135

"Creative use of the language" is well-suited to works of fiction. winter is coming May 2013 #137

This study has *nothing* to do with scientific rigor. LiberalAndProud May 2013 #205

But I want science nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #213

Excuse me? LiberalAndProud May 2013 #214

No I won't. I want actual epidemiology done here. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #215

In the late 70s and early 80s, it was common "knowledge" that power lines cause cancer. LiberalAndProud May 2013 #216

It's the big blades that do that, right? Other designs don't produce those vibrations. nt patrice May 2013 #104

Yes, they are suspected of doing that nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #105

YES. AND to the rest of the body. WinkyDink May 2013 #106

In the world of risk assessment as practiced by me Generic Other May 2013 #114

And in the world I inhabit nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #117

Maybe the bladeless technology will solve the problem? Generic Other May 2013 #140

The problem is that nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #148

"in the pocket of big oil" Generic Other May 2013 #156

I know. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #158

Here's Trump's reason for hating them Generic Other May 2013 #159

That has to be photoshop nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #160

In my world it is as it should have happened Generic Other May 2013 #162

BLADLESS TURBINE MAKERS CLAIM TURBINES COULD PRODUCE MORE POWER WITH LESS PROBLEMS SidDithers May 2013 #125

Pathetic! maddezmom May 2013 #132

That article is completely fucking insane. Codeine May 2013 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author JimDandy May 2013 #141

Is that related to bladderless? backscatter712 May 2013 #142

It would give new meaning pintobean May 2013 #150

DUzy! HappyMe May 2013 #152

Should you DUZY a comment when the OP has the poster/s on ignore? Generic Other May 2013 #164

I have no idea who anybody HappyMe May 2013 #166

Some of us are aware that when we respond to her posts Generic Other May 2013 #170

So what is it you want from me? HappyMe May 2013 #171

Well now you know Generic Other May 2013 #178

Into every life, a little rain must fall. HappyMe May 2013 #197

It's not "behind her back" if she chose to turn her back. winter is coming May 2013 #179

The only way anyone can post behind someone's back pintobean May 2013 #182

DUzy!...nt SidDithers May 2013 #188

Oddly enough, most are not responding to that poster at all. MineralMan May 2013 #190

Wow. Brickbat May 2013 #146

Then there is this from the same article: MineralMan May 2013 #181

Well, we know it can't mean "bladeless", because that design has blades muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #193

"it does appear to be bladderless" winter is coming May 2013 #196

You can try muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #200

I Wondered Not Only about the Spelling but the Engineering Theory. How do you have a turbine w/ no.. dballance May 2013 #210

Is it really a news outlet? Anyone here ever actually read it before today? Rex May 2013 #223

It's a typo. They're actually vlad-less, a vast improvement over the turbines that use vampires. winter is coming May 2013 #224

HA! This is all comedic gold I tells ya! Rex May 2013 #225

Well, it didn't work out so well in Gilroy. winter is coming May 2013 #227

Kick... SidDithers May 2013 #240

What in the world do you have against wind turbines Progressive dog May 2013 #145

Nadin and her joke of a "newspaper" have an obvious anti-windpower agenda. Codeine May 2013 #151

Why? Cui bono? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #157

Meta question. Can an online-only news outlet still be called a fishwrap?... SidDithers May 2013 #187

(Swedish fish)wrap? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #189

And, are the volunteer contributors (of articles) paid, or is it just a way to see their bike man May 2013 #221

East County Magazine is funded by Wells Fargo sgtbenobo May 2013 #211

Interesting, if true I wonder if Nadin has any comments. maddezmom May 2013 #217

Well you know how certain reporters like to put 100's of people on their ignore list. Rex May 2013 #226

You know what actually is toxic? 99Forever May 2013 #147

+1 MNBrewer May 2013 #194

It was a FAIL 5 threads ago, but some people have no shame gene. Rex May 2013 #228

Toxic? How could that be? MineralMan May 2013 #161

No, the turbines themselves are not toxic, but 'some say' the low frequency sound generated bike man May 2013 #167

HAHAHAHA!!! Rex May 2013 #208

wind power makes noise ProdigalJunkMail May 2013 #230