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Jim Lane

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16. I disagree with the whole with-us-or-against-us tone of many Obama defenders.

Sat May 18, 2013, 08:06 AM

May 2013

Obama has done quite a few good things. That doesn't mean that he's above criticism for the bad things he's done, or for the good things he could've done (or could've at least tried to do) but didn't.

Kucinich as President would've been better but, I hate to break it to you, even he would not have solved everything by now. In fact, even he would probably have come in for criticism from the left -- and rightly so, if he did something worth criticizing.

The main point is that it's counterproductive, not to mention silly, to conflate all the critics of Obama, and to try to intimidate progressives by lumping us in with the wingnuts who are now in "a noun, a verb, Benghazi" mode.

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I'm begining to really dislike that word 'progressive' Whisp May 2013 #14

I disagree with the whole with-us-or-against-us tone of many Obama defenders. Jim Lane May 2013 #16

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