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John2

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13. Your response has a serious flaw though.

Sat May 18, 2013, 07:15 AM

May 2013

The issue was an important one, about these groups miss use of the Tax exempt status. The issue was bought to the fore front by Congress and other persons concerned about it at the time. People continue to leave out a letter sent by seven Democratic Senators with oversight authority, writing a letter to the IRS commissioner at the time, who was a Bush appointee about this very issue. That is the information left out of your argument. The IRS took proactive action from directions from that letter by scrutinizing these organizations that quadrupled during that time. They did their job period!

If it is true, it was more of these Tea Party groups popping up at the time than a Liberal organization going through the Tax exempt processes, then naturally more of them will get scrutinized just because of the nature of the process in obtaining tax exempt status. The letter was authored by Senator Shuman. I don't know why these seven senators has been silent on the issue? Some Republican Senators knew about this letter also, and protested at the time. But Congress does have oversight authority on the IRS.

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Why is everyone "outraged"?? [View all] kentuck May 2013 OP

Because they weren't targeting "groups that might not be 503(c) orgs," which is Honeycombe8 May 2013 #1

+1, n/t RKP5637 May 2013 #2

But who made the decision to target them? CJCRANE May 2013 #3

"That handed conservatives a reason to hate and distrust Democratic administrations..." kentuck May 2013 #4

Were they targeting conservative groups or Squinch May 2013 #5

You are seeing this correctly. RC May 2013 #35

Nailed. It. - Since 1959, over 50 years of these exemptions. This is a tax-exempt food fight. nt patrice May 2013 #58

The latter nxylas May 2013 #78

That tells us all we need to know, doesn't it? What a crock this whole thing is! Squinch May 2013 #80

I'm beginning to agree with you. kentuck May 2013 #85

Agree. hay rick May 2013 #87

This has been debunked. But then, I guess it's almost Sunday. graham4anything May 2013 #10

Doesn't matter. The story is already spread. Most people won't read any further about it. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #19

This administration has been terrible at informing the public on things and responding timely and st DonCoquixote May 2013 #75

Not true. Even with the ACA, the admin. didn't get out to sell it. Honeycombe8 May 2013 #84

Your response has a serious flaw though. John2 May 2013 #13

"These organizations"? What organizations? Honeycombe8 May 2013 #22

I don't have to provide you a link to this letter, John2 May 2013 #41

It seems that all three of the current "scandals" were initiated by GOP actions. csziggy May 2013 #65

sec 527 is the political organization tax-exempt designation, not 501c3 noiretextatique May 2013 #70

But even if that were so... kentuck May 2013 #71

agreed...and that's precisely why the IRS is investigating noiretextatique May 2013 #89

Actually, if you want a tax exemption for your donations and include the words, JDPriestly May 2013 #72

Nail on head LittleBlue May 2013 #77

Excellent post malaise May 2013 #6

Yeah, you John2 May 2013 #20

It made me happy! femmocrat May 2013 #7

This has all been debunked. But then, I guess it's Saturday. graham4anything May 2013 #8

Do you have any links?? kentuck May 2013 #9

Not playing your circular means something other than it says games.Have a great Saturday. graham4anything May 2013 #11

What are you talking about? femmocrat May 2013 #12

One Link I Just Read rbrnmw May 2013 #15

interesting G_j May 2013 #16

Thank you! That is an excellent link that explains things very well. femmocrat May 2013 #39

Yep. I think that is probably the case? BOLO... Be On The Lookout kentuck May 2013 #43

As a person who has John2 May 2013 #50

Indeed, some have been at work all week. graham4anything May 2013 #18

How convenient... Pelican May 2013 #54

Here you go: Chathamization May 2013 #49

what has been debunked? G_j May 2013 #14

Because we are truly living in bizarro world tularetom May 2013 #17

It is that compromise John2 May 2013 #25

It seems to me they were doing their jobs. Autumn May 2013 #21

Well..at least it's "bi-partisan." KoKo May 2013 #23

Meanwhile the federal budget limbo is hurting the American People rbrnmw May 2013 #24

I'm not impressed John2 May 2013 #26

This is outrageous Newest Reality May 2013 #27

I read a recent article John2 May 2013 #29

why? because the Rs expected Pres. O to defend the IRS and he didn't. Bipartisan outrage :) Sunlei May 2013 #28

He's a wise President because he came out near the beginning, like an outraged Republican? RC May 2013 #40

I meant it was wise to remove the Rs target and that target is always Pres. O. Sunlei May 2013 #45

I agree kentuck. In fact I have experience at a 501c3 and reporting underpants May 2013 #30

Thanks underpants! kentuck May 2013 #44

Among the allegations Seeking Serenity May 2013 #31

Your post assumes equal scrutiny is a necessity. kentuck May 2013 #34

"These groups did not deserve "normal" scrutiny." Seeking Serenity May 2013 #37

But the problem is not that they had a "conservative" sounding name. kentuck May 2013 #46

How do you declare intent to deceive before you even look at an application? TheKentuckian May 2013 #61

Perhaps bad wording on my part...? kentuck May 2013 #66

I don't think they do anything for the public good at all, in fact I think they are a black hole TheKentuckian May 2013 #86

They were not targeted because they were Right Wing groups KoKo May 2013 #47

Except that the Treasury Department's Seeking Serenity May 2013 #52

I bet the apps are treated equally, but once the IRS flags an error or has a question..the app gets Sunlei May 2013 #51

Outrage TNNurse May 2013 #32

Agree..and could be they found Koch Brothers or other "outside money" involved KoKo May 2013 #48

Outrage? abelenkpe May 2013 #33

Outraged that the Kochs and others have created new tax havens that influence elections. mountain grammy May 2013 #36

Could not agree more. JEB May 2013 #60

every person or group claiming tax exempt status should be examined. tomp May 2013 #38

Good point. Chathamization May 2013 #59

The problem... Pelican May 2013 #63

What if there are 20 times more conservative groups than liberal groups?? kentuck May 2013 #67

not quite sure what you're asking. tomp May 2013 #83

Yes, especially those whose group name contains the word "Party". GoCubsGo May 2013 #81

Debunked? Purplehazed May 2013 #42

Simple ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2013 #53

Yeah, the Right John2 May 2013 #57

I'm not "outraged" at the IRS scrutinizing these 501(c)4 org... amerciti001 May 2013 #55

Not only that They_Live May 2013 #73

I am not outraged at all Joey Liberal May 2013 #56

Koch brothers Life Long Dem May 2013 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler May 2013 #64

I'm outraged that Republican obstruction of the lawful functioning of crucial governmental indepat May 2013 #68

Bingo! kentuck May 2013 #69

I'm outraged at your lack of outrage... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #74

Because, on all sides DonCoquixote May 2013 #76

Because fairness is at least as much perception as reality. MrModerate May 2013 #79

Kick and Rec. n/t Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #82

I agree Proud Liberal Dem May 2013 #88