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nadinbrzezinski

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148. The problem is that

Sat May 18, 2013, 12:36 PM

May 2013

Some of these remote locations are getting heavily impacted, as in rural communities. Our fear locally is that this is in areas that have a high fire danger, and these things do catch on fire...and complicate fire fighting.

The Tejon Pass has almost nothing, the ones on the way to Palm Springs have nothing around them either. Both have lots of wind.

But some do.

What I fear is that like all energy technologies (granted Nuclear and Coal take the cake on this) they have a dark side. We should be able to look at them and do this risk analysis. Some folks live in the fantasy that wind is somehow pure and with no issues and mentioning any of them...somehow I am getting paid by BP. (I wonder when that fantasy check is coming in)

And one of the real dark side for wind actually involves raptor and other bird deaths. The other, will be an emerging scandal, is the over promise of energy production to get farms on marginal places, due to Federal money. Watch this space, lawsuits will be coming on that.

As to this single report in The Journal of Audiology, a single report does not a conclusion make...what it should do...is lead to more research.

But somehow I am in the pocket of big oil.

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Could Wind Turbines Be Toxic To The Ear? [View all] nadinbrzezinski May 2013 OP

Not a problem. NYC_SKP May 2013 #1

Wind also has a lot of corporate allies nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #4

That seems like a talking point. CJCRANE May 2013 #2

Infrasound is a form of pollution nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #7

Wrong - infrasound (< 20 hz) cannot stimulate the inner hair cells of the cochlea jpak May 2013 #77

Yup, that is why we have a report in audiology nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #89

That would be the metastudy you linked to that concluded we don't know one way or the other? winter is coming May 2013 #163

Here's some science jpak May 2013 #177

What part of I want a few studies to confirm or debunk are you afraid off? nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #180

The statistics are these - 280,000 MW of global wind turbine capacity jpak May 2013 #207

From your PDF nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #183

Gee - do people live under the flight paths of major airports? jpak May 2013 #206

I got your number nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #212

It's a bit disingenuous claiming the frequency response of a wind turbine is measured at the hub. Hugin May 2013 #174

I hope they can solve this, if there is a problem Politicalboi May 2013 #3

There are turbines without blades under development nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #5

That seems the most hopeful development treestar May 2013 #94

I found another to last night nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #95

If you don't use an impeller (turbine wheel) how do you drive the generator? leveymg May 2013 #119

No, here for the other two designs nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #120

Very clever - and it just might work! leveymg May 2013 #124

You need it with current blade technology nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #126

No it doesn't. A DC generator needs no "starter" current. leveymg May 2013 #144

They do have a motor at the bottom of each tower nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #149

That's not what I mean. leveymg May 2013 #169

They do, due to the size of the units. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #175

Any comment on their claimed maximum of 100W from 100 square metres? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #165

Most birds will see a 10X10 panel depending upon lighting conditions. leveymg May 2013 #173

Wind power is Toxic to the ears of oil company executives daleo May 2013 #6

Giving BP and Shell are invested in renewables nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #8

That's just hedging their bets. CJCRANE May 2013 #9

They are the largest investors nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #10

Do you have a link for that? CJCRANE May 2013 #14

Well, what do you know, BP s backing away from wind in the US nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #17

Giving? Giving BP and Shell what? DevonRex May 2013 #57

At this point, there is no telling what will be posted next. Rex May 2013 #231

I guess complete sentences are just SO yesterday DevonRex May 2013 #234

You talking about Don Coyote? Rex May 2013 #237

US wind power capacity is about 60,000 MWatts of which Shell is 550 MW and BP is 2600 MW FarCenter May 2013 #84

Smart oil companies would invest in renewables daleo May 2013 #235

What you said also applies to utilities nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #238

It's true daleo May 2013 #239

This is interesting GiaGiovanni May 2013 #11

Actually yes nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #97

How bad are these symptoms? GiaGiovanni May 2013 #222

Bad enough nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #229

YOU keep a skeptical view? catnhatnh May 2013 #12

I wonder CJCRANE May 2013 #16

No there is not nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #18

Of course there's an anti-wind power PR industry - it's talked about in your own link muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #67

Beyond sad now. Rex May 2013 #232

I've been having flashbacks to a guy named Robert McElwaine. winter is coming May 2013 #233

SOMEONE posted against it three times today... catnhatnh May 2013 #23

I am so against it nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #26

And how much power can that produce? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #68

Sounds like a waste of good water MNBrewer May 2013 #70

OH-and I never said there was a "anti-windpower industry" catnhatnh May 2013 #25

It was a rhetorical question CJCRANE May 2013 #27

Could Nadine be an anti-science woo-freak flack? catnhatnh May 2013 #30

Nice personal attack nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #34

I was merely copying your title posting style catnhatnh May 2013 #37

Well then nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #40

See here...ain't no one objecting to advancing designs... catnhatnh May 2013 #42

And I am all for actual science nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #47

You posted about acoustic "syndromes" ... catnhatnh May 2013 #58

The piece links to an actual medical journal nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #60

Pardon my French but Horsecock. catnhatnh May 2013 #62

I will use my French bullshit nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #90

yeah, that's it Kali May 2013 #59

The Journal of Audiology article MNBrewer May 2013 #73

The strange thing about that is that their patent application clearly does have blades muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #71

Unless they've applied for more than one, the patent application is more likely to be accurate. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #111

I think they may have dropped the blades as unnecessary muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #155

Looks like an aluminum pie plate flapping in the breeze MNBrewer May 2013 #191

Agreed - I think it would be very noisy muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #198

They also claim that their energy is storable, while that from turbines isn't. MNBrewer May 2013 #199

I would think that if one type is capable of storing energy, other types could be adapted. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #201

They *might* be saying that they could use the hydraulic pressure muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #203

They are purposefully vague, I think. MNBrewer May 2013 #204

Well, I guess finding out these things are not as green as I nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #19

No Nadine. Never an enemy. catnhatnh May 2013 #32

So you like this latest oil, I mean wind turbine design nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #33

This is how she really is. Rex May 2013 #209

You just hate research. winter is coming May 2013 #218

Not so! I tied myself to a propeller today to demonstrate how far it would fling Rex May 2013 #219

Damn, now you'll have to visit the oncologist. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #220

The center of mass blade would have to going 175 mph. GreenStormCloud May 2013 #236

Well, the Foehn is an Alpine wind that is reputed to cause... TreasonousBastard May 2013 #13

No thelordofhell May 2013 #15

I'd much rather have my ears damaged Control-Z May 2013 #20

There are better designs in the pipeline nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #22

Yeah. Like I've closed my mind? Control-Z May 2013 #29

Yup, that is why Shell is paying me to find THIS, which I mentioned during the day nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #31

4. eom uppityperson May 2013 #35

Seriously? 4? eom Control-Z May 2013 #48

hell, one has been self-kicked 4 or 5 times Kali May 2013 #52

Case posting in favor of oil derr...I mean blade less nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #54

How much are the oil companies paying you to post this crap here? Apophis May 2013 #21

So NPR is in the pocket of big oil? nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #24

It is a blog, nadin. mim madinmaryland May 2013 #39

I missed the NPR logo. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #41

Do you really think that wind turbines are "bad news" madinmaryland May 2013 #43

I really think we need to look at claims made by nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #51

bladeless, not blade less. n/t Whisp May 2013 #72

Right wing bullshit. MADem May 2013 #28

great paragraph in that Kali May 2013 #36

+1,000 -- it's a paranoid scare tactic with a "think of the CHILDREN" line of horseshit, to boot! MADem May 2013 #46

Kali! Control-Z May 2013 #49

there is about 8 miles of track snaked through this place Kali May 2013 #50

Oh crap! Control-Z May 2013 #61

+1 Canuckistanian May 2013 #130

The only thing that wind turbines "harm" is the bottom line of the corporate pigs in charge of MADem May 2013 #138

NO ! olddots May 2013 #38

Given those symptoms and the timing... politicat May 2013 #44

Also, headsets for cell phones. Some people seem to always wear a bluetooth device. n/t winter is coming May 2013 #45

Yup, but we can't very well do that nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #53

"I want this study repeated, and then repeated some more, and confirmed or debunked." winter is coming May 2013 #168

Quick! Everybody panic!! Electric Monk May 2013 #55

My mother told me not to stick anything in my ear smaller than my elbow. longship May 2013 #56

Can anyone provide a link to any study done showing the safety of these turbines? Hugin May 2013 #63

Why Wind Turbines Can Mean Death For Bats - Science Daily. Hugin May 2013 #65

Holy Barotrauma, Batman! nt treestar May 2013 #100

If we had approached petroleum production and carbon emissions with some skepticism loyalsister May 2013 #64

Exactly. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #91

lessons learned loyalsister May 2013 #186

the meltdown continues. Democracyinkind May 2013 #66

Let's take your reading comprehension to task nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #92

You haven't shown us any evidence of that 'cancer cluster' muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #184

Ocatillo fits a pattern, for sure MNBrewer May 2013 #69

People were once certain that traveling inside a train doing sixty miles an hour would flatten them. Ikonoklast May 2013 #88

Stephen Colbert explains wind turbine syndrome & says Obama will kill us all: Honeycombe8 May 2013 #74

What a bunch of Flat Earth Crap jpak May 2013 #75

Easy answer. YES. Wind power blows. Laelth May 2013 #76

Global wind power capacity will grow to 300,000 MW this year jpak May 2013 #79

Smile. I am quite aware of your opinion on this subject. Laelth May 2013 #81

I "sell" something you can't handle jpak May 2013 #82

Forget it Canuckistanian May 2013 #134

That's an idiotic answer muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #185

Yes, and the problem with wind power is that when the wind isn't blowing ... Laelth May 2013 #192

What's your opinion on solar power? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #195

Only makes sense if I damaged myself burnodo May 2013 #78

So now you are back to infrasound. maddezmom May 2013 #80

Community panic induced by anti-wind activism -- From the NPR article FarCenter May 2013 #83

What we are not imagining is the cancer cluster nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #93

No cancer cluster has been confirmed. At this point, it's people thinking, winter is coming May 2013 #172

My fan made me impotent. pintobean May 2013 #85

You're not supposed to stick your willy in it... SidDithers May 2013 #98

I read the whole owners manual pintobean May 2013 #99

I suppose you used it to trim your hedges, too. winter is coming May 2013 #112

Damn Skippy, that's DUzy worthy! Brother Buzz May 2013 #113

I'd say it *is* DUzy-worthy... winter is coming May 2013 #116

If you do, it could fly up to a mile. Brickbat May 2013 #143

Gallagher would say.... Omaha Steve May 2013 #86

FLASHING BLADES OF DEATH MADE ME NAUSEOUS AND DIZZY. Ikonoklast May 2013 #87

I got Morgellons from a wind turbine... SidDithers May 2013 #96

MediaMatters: NPR Gives Wind Power Hypochondriacs A Platform maddezmom May 2013 #101

"including her husband,an anti-wind activist who compares his struggle to the civil rights movement" redqueen May 2013 #108

It's good science and research to HappyMe May 2013 #136

Well, if my husband refuses to review my papers, we won't be perpetuating science any time soon. winter is coming May 2013 #153

I am sure I am on ignore so the OP won't see how flawed the study is she is maddezmom May 2013 #139

When someone wakes up they're going to smack you. GoneOffShore May 2013 #110

Check out the history of anti-wind power articles posted in the East County fishwrap... SidDithers May 2013 #115

Yes, it is obvious to those of us paying attention. maddezmom May 2013 #122

Telephone interviews and self-selected peer reviewers... JimDandy May 2013 #123

NPR proved themselves to be willing to push a corporate agenda against public interest before Iraq. redqueen May 2013 #154

Excellent article! Canuckistanian May 2013 #176

Nice catch. Hong Kong Cavalier May 2013 #202

If this was the case, you'd think that everyone would be suffering. backscatter712 May 2013 #102

That is why I want science perpetrated here nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #103

Perpertrate is not something science does. Ptah May 2013 #107

I guess creative use of the language is not in your dictionary nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #109

I thought your specialty was creative use of measurements, not language. nt Codeine May 2013 #118

That's not creative use of the language, Ptah May 2013 #121

I love the personal attack nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #127

I didn't say you are dimwitted. Ptah May 2013 #128

Sorry...if you don't like it nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #129

Welcome to my ignore list. Ptah May 2013 #131

Consider it mutual nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #135

"Creative use of the language" is well-suited to works of fiction. winter is coming May 2013 #137

This study has *nothing* to do with scientific rigor. LiberalAndProud May 2013 #205

But I want science nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #213

Excuse me? LiberalAndProud May 2013 #214

No I won't. I want actual epidemiology done here. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #215

In the late 70s and early 80s, it was common "knowledge" that power lines cause cancer. LiberalAndProud May 2013 #216

It's the big blades that do that, right? Other designs don't produce those vibrations. nt patrice May 2013 #104

Yes, they are suspected of doing that nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #105

YES. AND to the rest of the body. WinkyDink May 2013 #106

In the world of risk assessment as practiced by me Generic Other May 2013 #114

And in the world I inhabit nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #117

Maybe the bladeless technology will solve the problem? Generic Other May 2013 #140

The problem is that nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #148

"in the pocket of big oil" Generic Other May 2013 #156

I know. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #158

Here's Trump's reason for hating them Generic Other May 2013 #159

That has to be photoshop nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #160

In my world it is as it should have happened Generic Other May 2013 #162

BLADLESS TURBINE MAKERS CLAIM TURBINES COULD PRODUCE MORE POWER WITH LESS PROBLEMS SidDithers May 2013 #125

Pathetic! maddezmom May 2013 #132

That article is completely fucking insane. Codeine May 2013 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author JimDandy May 2013 #141

Is that related to bladderless? backscatter712 May 2013 #142

It would give new meaning pintobean May 2013 #150

DUzy! HappyMe May 2013 #152

Should you DUZY a comment when the OP has the poster/s on ignore? Generic Other May 2013 #164

I have no idea who anybody HappyMe May 2013 #166

Some of us are aware that when we respond to her posts Generic Other May 2013 #170

So what is it you want from me? HappyMe May 2013 #171

Well now you know Generic Other May 2013 #178

Into every life, a little rain must fall. HappyMe May 2013 #197

It's not "behind her back" if she chose to turn her back. winter is coming May 2013 #179

The only way anyone can post behind someone's back pintobean May 2013 #182

DUzy!...nt SidDithers May 2013 #188

Oddly enough, most are not responding to that poster at all. MineralMan May 2013 #190

Wow. Brickbat May 2013 #146

Then there is this from the same article: MineralMan May 2013 #181

Well, we know it can't mean "bladeless", because that design has blades muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #193

"it does appear to be bladderless" winter is coming May 2013 #196

You can try muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #200

I Wondered Not Only about the Spelling but the Engineering Theory. How do you have a turbine w/ no.. dballance May 2013 #210

Is it really a news outlet? Anyone here ever actually read it before today? Rex May 2013 #223

It's a typo. They're actually vlad-less, a vast improvement over the turbines that use vampires. winter is coming May 2013 #224

HA! This is all comedic gold I tells ya! Rex May 2013 #225

Well, it didn't work out so well in Gilroy. winter is coming May 2013 #227

Kick... SidDithers May 2013 #240

What in the world do you have against wind turbines Progressive dog May 2013 #145

Nadin and her joke of a "newspaper" have an obvious anti-windpower agenda. Codeine May 2013 #151

Why? Cui bono? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #157

Meta question. Can an online-only news outlet still be called a fishwrap?... SidDithers May 2013 #187

(Swedish fish)wrap? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #189

And, are the volunteer contributors (of articles) paid, or is it just a way to see their bike man May 2013 #221

East County Magazine is funded by Wells Fargo sgtbenobo May 2013 #211

Interesting, if true I wonder if Nadin has any comments. maddezmom May 2013 #217

Well you know how certain reporters like to put 100's of people on their ignore list. Rex May 2013 #226

You know what actually is toxic? 99Forever May 2013 #147

+1 MNBrewer May 2013 #194

It was a FAIL 5 threads ago, but some people have no shame gene. Rex May 2013 #228

Toxic? How could that be? MineralMan May 2013 #161

No, the turbines themselves are not toxic, but 'some say' the low frequency sound generated bike man May 2013 #167

HAHAHAHA!!! Rex May 2013 #208

wind power makes noise ProdigalJunkMail May 2013 #230