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4. Agreed in all except that that is the only thing that is happening. And I also always want to add a

Sat May 18, 2013, 01:46 PM

May 2013

Footnote*

*all of the above GIVEN in the context of general dereliction of civic responsibility to KNOW what you're votes mean, precisely in terms of issues that affect your life and those of your community and many people aren't brave enough to speak out as individuals and assume that numbers of whatever necessarily = correct or valid cognizance . . .

when it doesn't, because many people can be wrong.

Regarding generations of dereliction in civic responsibilities: Even "the Great Generation" for all of their touted "patriotism" had a strong tendency NOT TO ASK QUESTIONS and to assume the wrong shit about people they don't know, like how they should live their lives to prove to "the Great Generation" that the GG were great, make the same sacrifices for the SAME "reasons", to the same false gods, I'd say, echos of echos of their own doubts about their own lives, and pettiness and vengeance and bitterness, so . . .

We have the government that is cognate of who we are and look at us to see why things are as they are. The people have not been holding up their part in civic chores and taking a personal verbal stand about SOLUTIONS and responsibility, everyone's!

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this country in its present form is beyond redemption [View all] cali May 2013 OP

There is no hope. Everything is chaos. MineralMan May 2013 #1

Yep - Good thing the folks in Flint and Selma weren't quitters michigandem58 May 2013 #110

Very true, very true. n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #150

If there's no hope, then why are you here? AnnetteJacobs May 2013 #2

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"Most people care about sports and TV..." randome May 2013 #13

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That's 'life', not 'wife'. Do you have a smudge on your screen? LOL! randome May 2013 #20

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Such folks are unlikely to participate in DU, though. MineralMan May 2013 #39

I am here to commiserate with other like minded people who also realize that there is no hope. n/t totodeinhere May 2013 #40

Well... Texasgal May 2013 #3

Maybe she needs to view REAL rays of sunshine more often! We all could stand to do that! randome May 2013 #15

I've been there! I loved those carefree travel days I used to have! Lucky Luciano May 2013 #47

what's that green sludge? marions ghost May 2013 #100

Hopefully NOT something man-made! randome May 2013 #114

man made runoff + nature = excess algae marions ghost May 2013 #134

Algae... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #123

Agreed in all except that that is the only thing that is happening. And I also always want to add a patrice May 2013 #4

"America is the first country to have gone from barbarism to decadence without the usual intervening Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #5

Written at a time distant from today. MineralMan May 2013 #41

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if he would feel the same way today. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #44

But we can't know. He's been dead a long time. MineralMan May 2013 #53

I majored in history and it's still my main interest. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #62

Agree about the cynic part. Democracyinkind May 2013 #77

But the irony is that it could be. zeemike May 2013 #70

Thank you, whathehell May 2013 #76

What a daft comment. His commentary was not about modern day America. Bluenorthwest May 2013 #94

Europe has culture, for sure... awoke_in_2003 May 2013 #124

Grid lock in congress due to gerrymandering and misinformation from the MSM judgegblue May 2013 #6

That really doesn't matter, the corporations already own many Democrats davidn3600 May 2013 #84

"in its present form" nt patrice May 2013 #7

Call Dr. Who! patrice May 2013 #8

Who? randome May 2013 #10

+1 rbrnmw May 2013 #14

are you upperclass? fascisthunter May 2013 #25

All things are not political. I like good art direction & I stay home a lot, though not patrice May 2013 #36

yes. you can repeat it here... Democracyinkind May 2013 #52

As we used to sing in kindergaten..... DFW May 2013 #109

I thought he was on first base. nt patrice May 2013 #116

Who is on first base. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #119

nailed fascisthunter May 2013 #106

I think it's an excellent question... kentuck May 2013 #11

Nothing about the country's current form must persist past the next election Yo_Mama May 2013 #12

Confused by lies and misinformation spread by the Rethugs through their propaganda machine, judgegblue May 2013 #17

That's a good ideal but unfortunately I don't think that any one election totodeinhere May 2013 #42

Havnt they? quakerboy May 2013 #67

We are doing terrible things in the name of money & profit too Triana May 2013 #18

'Money trumps peace.' - George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish May 2013 #19

I had the opportunity once to talk to a biologist who made the following statement: airplaneman May 2013 #30

This quote is absolutley brilliant. limpyhobbler May 2013 #61

Can I use this airplaneman? I need a new sig line and this is brilliant! Full credit to you... nt riderinthestorm May 2013 #98

You are welcome to use this quote - no credits needed. n/t. airplaneman May 2013 #103

He nailed it! n/t Triana May 2013 #99

I'll echo others here... tex-wyo-dem May 2013 #105

Bingo Little Star May 2013 #117

We still have a shot at keeping the whole kittenkaboodle going. Octafish May 2013 #21

We don't live in a Democracy any more Doctor_J May 2013 #118

You are correct. We vote them out and the new crew does the same as the old. Octafish May 2013 #137

My old political science professor from college octoberlib May 2013 #22

I think it's also what happened in the US before FDR MannyGoldstein May 2013 #33

Yes they do. nt octoberlib May 2013 #37

It would take an FDR to stave it off. Democracyinkind May 2013 #55

Wait? Haven't you seen this? MannyGoldstein May 2013 #58

Ha. Don't get me started.... Democracyinkind May 2013 #63

I bring out the worst in people MannyGoldstein May 2013 #66

I am not so sure people are in enough pain yet to do much, but it's coming down the pike fast. Mnemosyne May 2013 #95

It Doesn't Work That Way AndyTiedye May 2013 #142

wow FirstLight May 2013 #144

"The Republicans know exactly what they're doing" zeemike May 2013 #72

K & R !!! WillyT May 2013 #24

in its present form DonCoquixote May 2013 #26

The Right Has a Lock on the Media, the Churches, the Courts, Most State Governments, and the House AndyTiedye May 2013 #147

I've found that a daily swing by the "Good News" group helps a little... Buns_of_Fire May 2013 #27

Just subscribed... narnian60 May 2013 #56

awesome thoughts FirstLight May 2013 #145

Hey cali -- timdog44 May 2013 #28

"The individual is still the most important and powerful entity" = no, that is the mythology handed HiPointDem May 2013 #49

I certainly timdog44 May 2013 #54

The people are, though. Or they could be. Democracyinkind May 2013 #65

Gee, Cali. All we have to do is elect more Democrats! bvar22 May 2013 #29

That's about the long and short of it. The great cull isn't coming, it's happening slowly right now Poll_Blind May 2013 #31

So let's do something. MannyGoldstein May 2013 #32

The Democrats have won four of the last six presidential elections but yet things totodeinhere May 2013 #50

I was an Obama fan too in 2008, but a cautious one MannyGoldstein May 2013 #57

honestly? I think we're already well on the way to being thoroughly digested in the belly of the cali May 2013 #71

Have you read much about America in the 1920s and early 1930s? MannyGoldstein May 2013 #75

The pendulum is swinging and very near its apex. Bonhomme Richard May 2013 #34

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to... alterfurz May 2013 #101

What will they submit to? I have no hope for those who will allow their gonads to be groped, and AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #112

There is a Problem With the Pendulum AndyTiedye May 2013 #148

Wrong. Zoeisright May 2013 #35

Of course I didn't say that there was no difference between republicans and dems. cali May 2013 #74

Unfortunately many, if not most, people have been affected by the MSM's moral equivalency judgegblue May 2013 #104

I've been marching for 53 years olddots May 2013 #38

Almost the same for me. You're maybe a little MineralMan May 2013 #43

At least you're getting your physical exercise. Me I'm so frustrated and cynical about the whole totodeinhere May 2013 #45

Feeling blue? Watch Bono on Charlie Rose from the other night. SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #46

bono, the tax cheat and flack of the 1%? lol. HiPointDem May 2013 #51

Ignore the tax "cheat" allegations, and watch the video. SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #82

they're not allegations and i'm not being played. HiPointDem May 2013 #83

"cheat" is different from doing something legally. Any way to hammer this guy . . SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #86

i watched the video. what did you learn? HiPointDem May 2013 #87

That approaching issues to do with poverty can be best solved through civil discourse with SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #89

you didn't know that already? you had to suffer through the whole video to learn that? HiPointDem May 2013 #90

Boy do we ever disagree. I'll leave it at that. SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #97

look behind the PR. I'll leave it at that. HiPointDem May 2013 #108

Do you believe Bill Gates is working in Africa for the PR? SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #132

i thought you were going to leave it at that? you misunderstand the reason for the PR. It's HiPointDem May 2013 #133

Wanted to, but "PR" piqued my interest. Now Is see where you're coming from. SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #135

I think you should know this about the Gates Foundation vs the Koch Bros SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #154

I know plenty about the Gates Foundation. The fact that they made a documentary that HiPointDem May 2013 #155

Civil discourse? That would be good. But apparently against the unwritten rule of some. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #113

Yeah, how's that working for you? Doctor_J May 2013 #138

I get into twitter arguments with Rohrabacher. Only one time was there a SleeplessinSoCal May 2013 #139

the heaven05 May 2013 #48

This post makes you seem very intelligent and well informed. limpyhobbler May 2013 #59

USA is a proud democratic republic abelenkpe May 2013 #60

It started long ago. moondust May 2013 #64

What's in a name? zeemike May 2013 #68

Yes, there are severe problems for our Nation and especially the poor, the non-white, the unemployed drynberg May 2013 #69

+2100 lunasun May 2013 #131

..i wasn;t gonna bring THAT part up... FirstLight May 2013 #146

that's all true - but the younger generation is more liberal - more willing for change and the shift Douglas Carpenter May 2013 #73

Good point. Texas will be a blue state in due course ucrdem May 2013 #78

It's time for a Constitutional Convention. Turn CO Blue May 2013 #79

NOOOOO! The Teabaggers Control Too Many State Governments AndyTiedye May 2013 #149

It is a shame too because it doesn't have to be like this but most are caught in a box TheKentuckian May 2013 #80

Well, we may as well abolish the minimum wage, end SNAP, cancel Obamacare bhikkhu May 2013 #81

Catatonic. randome May 2013 #85

they're working on it. HiPointDem May 2013 #88

none of which has anything to do with the issues I identified in the OP cali May 2013 #91

"beyond redemption"'s fighting words bhikkhu May 2013 #92

And to those who are working still! randome May 2013 #93

None of those will matter if we dont stop the theft of our wealth by the fascist overlords. rhett o rick May 2013 #122

The first step would be getting corporate money out of elections alarimer May 2013 #96

Of course but how? We fully know what needs to be done, the question is how to do it. Congress rhett o rick May 2013 #120

2 trusted people said it, IOW tblue May 2013 #102

Real simple solution RobertEarl May 2013 #107

I think it's about over here. santamargarita May 2013 #111

A principled person will stand by their principles. You're doing that. The price is dissatisfaction. AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #115

If you arent going to stand by your principles, you might as well become a Republican. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #126

Or a 3rd-Wayer. n/t AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #128

Same thing. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #130

Is there a difference between Penny Pritzker and Mitt Rmoney? nm rhett o rick May 2013 #121

Yes. Mitt's daddy did cars, Penny's daddy did hotels. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #141

I was thinking that Mit has nicer hair. nm rhett o rick May 2013 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick May 2013 #125

Shhhh! Cleita May 2013 #127

"I used to scoff at people who claimed that we're living under fascism." woo me with science May 2013 #129

Well said. H2O Man May 2013 #136

my dear cali... FirstLight May 2013 #140

You Gotta Believe! graham4anything May 2013 #151

I don't know how we can do anything until.. Notafraidtoo May 2013 #152

I hear you, Cali. OneGrassRoot May 2013 #153