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Savannahmann

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68. Here be the rub.
Sat May 18, 2013, 04:39 PM
May 2013

When you are audited, the onus of proving you haven't cheated, is on you. So you would have to provide to the State that is questioning you, and possibly every state every year, all your records, and prove that you haven't cheated on the taxes. Again, this is not too much of an inconvenience when you are dealing with one State, and you are in that state. It is a massive inconvenience when you are dealing with potentially fifty states, which could be six thousand miles from your current location.

Let's say you run a small business in Hawaii. You package and ship out Hawaiian stuff in addition to running the souvenir shop off Waikiki beach. So when someone in Iowa has a Hawaiian theme party, you supply the various stuff they need to hold their clever BBQ for friends and family. You submit that you had a sale in Iowa, and pay your sales tax for that one sale. Then Iowa refusing to believe that in the last three months, you have only had one sale in their state, demands that you prove you are not withholding sales tax from them.

They command that you or your representative appear in person in two weeks to see about this. You can hire a Lawyer in Iowa over the phone, but travel in person is a major annoyance.

Likely No. Possible? You bet. Probable? Not for every business, but for some of them you bet. When dealing with the Tax Collection offices of any Government, the burden of proof is always on the person filing the taxes, not the one collecting. When you file your income taxes, you have to include copies of your W-2, and interest statements, and any other earnings you have. To make sure you don't lie, those documents are sent to the IRS, to make sure it doesn't slip your mind. When you claim a deduction, you have to be able to prove that you are telling the truth, with receipts, and statements. Just saying you are a good businessman, and know where your money is, and where it came from, isn't good enough. You have to prove you did, or didn't do what they are interested in.

Wouldn't you say that such a scenario is possible? Where Iowa could think you have had more sales in their state? Are you suggesting that the State Department of Revenue will understand you aren't in Iowa, and leave you alone? Why? No legal reason to leave you alone, and every legal reason to demand compliance.

The more compliance costs, the less income taxes that will be collected. Remember, all those compliance costs are deductible. So when we see income tax collections drop, what will we do? If we follow form, we'll scream that people are cheating on their taxes, and screwing the people from the money they honestly owe the Government.

So lets say that the company making a million a year in sales, after deducting expenses, and the costs of compliance, pays more in sales tax, and far less in income taxes, because he's paying $25k a year in compliance costs. Accountants, and someone is certain to set up a fifty state legal representation system for this. So lawyers will get more money, accountants will get more money, and the states will get a little more in sales taxes collected, and less in income taxes collected. Those lawyers will not pay as much in taxes because they use every single loophole they can think of.

But in the end, if big business likes it, I am automatically wary.

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Internet Sales Tax [View all] liberalmike27 May 2013 OP
Full Text of Article liberalmike27 May 2013 #1
"if we buy something we should come home and pay taxes on that" jberryhill May 2013 #2
Living in AL liberalmike27 May 2013 #8
Adding liberalmike27 May 2013 #9
You seem to be misdirected jberryhill May 2013 #12
"only a moron is going to cut a check to the State, for stuff they've bought elsewhere" jberryhill May 2013 #10
You most certainly do NOT pay that tax to the other state joeglow3 May 2013 #22
So I buy a product from Italy and install it here and then ship it to customer in another state... L0oniX May 2013 #37
Italy is not in the United States jberryhill May 2013 #40
Ummm, are you really in business? joeglow3 May 2013 #43
Cal Thomas is an ultra-conservative Ron Paul/Bush/Steve Forbes republican graham4anything May 2013 #3
Thing Is liberalmike27 May 2013 #6
But it's not an extra tax kcr May 2013 #11
But, it wasn't being collected because ... oldhippie May 2013 #18
Sounds like regulation of interstate commerce to me jberryhill May 2013 #19
Uh, no. That would be .... oldhippie May 2013 #23
I referred to two things jberryhill May 2013 #26
Agree on Thing 1 ... oldhippie May 2013 #33
Can you honestly tell me ...... oldhippie May 2013 #27
Flat taxes are regressive. DebJ May 2013 #4
Flat taxes are regressive, yes liberalmike27 May 2013 #5
There is a hidden assumption in your figures jberryhill May 2013 #21
I have no problem with the internet sales tax as long as the tax goes to the Larkspur May 2013 #7
"...but I don't pay it because it's a hassle and easily forgotten. " oldhippie May 2013 #20
I use Turbo Tax to do my 1040 form Larkspur May 2013 #30
OK, I understand now ...... oldhippie May 2013 #36
Yep jberryhill May 2013 #42
I would rather the States .... oldhippie May 2013 #44
No, they are not going to be contacting anyone and lying to them jberryhill May 2013 #47
Hello? oldhippie May 2013 #48
My eyes aren't that bad jberryhill May 2013 #52
If the state wants the tax, then they have to find a way to enforce it Larkspur May 2013 #49
My state has a line in it's tax code concerning out of state purchases. bluestate10 May 2013 #65
Tax is for things that cost the nation and state and county and city money. L0oniX May 2013 #13
How do those purchases appear at your door? jberryhill May 2013 #14
Gas, tire, property and other taxes already pay for that. L0oniX May 2013 #15
Then why did you include it in your list? jberryhill May 2013 #17
So hows that tax thing working out for Delaware? L0oniX May 2013 #24
"a counter attack on you"? jberryhill May 2013 #29
But those goods don't magically appear on store shelves. joeglow3 May 2013 #25
Yes, and? jberryhill May 2013 #32
I agree with you, but in a stronger sense joeglow3 May 2013 #35
Ah jberryhill May 2013 #38
Once can argue the merits and demerits of sales taxt, but this is collecting taxes already owed. JHB May 2013 #16
Most store front operations sell online too as I am sure you know... L0oniX May 2013 #31
It seems like you are making an odd connection here joeglow3 May 2013 #39
Oh jeeze ...another reframe to promote an argument on DU. Whatever pffft n/t L0oniX May 2013 #41
So, won't answer the question, huh? oldhippie May 2013 #45
Whether I buy online or in a brick and mortar has nothing to do with taxes. RC May 2013 #46
"Sales tax is small potatoes compared to the income taxes that are not being paid" jberryhill May 2013 #53
The federal Government does not have a sales tax. RC May 2013 #56
The federal government is not proposing one either jberryhill May 2013 #57
Not just personal income tax, but ALL Federal income tax, corporate and personal. RC May 2013 #58
Am I in the right place? FreeJoe May 2013 #28
"to not bias them in favor of the well off" jberryhill May 2013 #34
it's only good if it's a federal tax alc May 2013 #50
"So I'd use some service to manage it" jberryhill May 2013 #54
One principle should be abundantly clear: only regressive taxes need indepat May 2013 #51
What are the demographics of internet purchasers? jberryhill May 2013 #55
I know not, but suspect the big-league professional basketball, football, and hockey players, who indepat May 2013 #59
Nothing like good, hard data jberryhill May 2013 #60
A relatively well off, well educated group of people. They should pay the damned taxes. nt bluestate10 May 2013 #66
I am always suspicious when something is endorsed by Big Business. Savannahmann May 2013 #61
Good business people understand money flow and document every movement. bluestate10 May 2013 #67
Here be the rub. Savannahmann May 2013 #68
Yeah, because... jberryhill May 2013 #69
Have you ever noticed that the rich folks never get audited? Savannahmann May 2013 #70
Great post SavannahMann liberalmike27 May 2013 #62
I support an Internet sales tax and want it implemented asap. bluestate10 May 2013 #63
Republicans LOVE sales taxes alarimer May 2013 #64
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