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Ms. Toad

(38,810 posts)
13. Yes, but...
Sat May 18, 2013, 07:13 PM
May 2013

most of the "insurance wouldn't cover" is a matter of incompetence (not that it should matter).

Case in point (although less major):

My spouse has off the scale allergies, and most of the nasal sprays destroy the lining of her nose leaving her the choice between debilitating sinus headaches and a constantly bleeding nose. (The sprays are on top of at least three other daily allergy medications and desensitization shots which still can't keep the symptoms at bay.)

The doctor gave her a sample of a dry spray which didn't irritate the lining of her nose and kept the sinus headaches at bay. He told her that her insurance probably wouldn't cover it and that the way to start was to try to fill a prescription, have it denied, and appeal it.

I looked up the policy and found it is a step therapy, which means she has to try a drug on the regular formulary first (she's tried 3), and that it is a simple matter of calling the insurance company, initiating a pre-approval process (which can be completed instantly by phone) and getting approval. I gave that information to my spouse which (because of other health issues) she didn't get to him.

His office tried repeatedly to submit prescriptions. They kept getting rejected and finally just ordered a very costly substitute that she can't use(and insisted that they had gone through the appeal process and had been denied the appeal - which I know can't happen without generating notice to us of our appeal rights. I blew a fuse. Got on multiple phone calls (compounded because no one will talk with me because of HIPPA and my spouse (for the same health reasons) can't handle the negotiations. Once I got the insurance company to initiate the pre-authorization (after verifying there were no appeals filed - just repeated resubmission of the same rejected prescription), the process took less than an hour.

We had a similar experience on a different medication for my daughter. It required an intermediate test to determine what kind of fungus she had. She had an advanced test - which established not only the kind of fungus, but which anti-fungal medications it was sensitive to. Because it wasn't the exact test it was initially rejected. When we were able to link the doctor and the insurance company together it was approved instantly.

Any doctor with a contract with a particular insurance company should know how to obtain approval for a step drug, or an out of formulary drug which is required to treat a particular bacteria or fungus. Far too many don't. (And the brick wall, in my experience, can come from either the provider or the insurance company - but it is knowing my plan and pushing until one or the other gets tired enough of being beat up on that tears it down. And, with the most insurance savvy docs, the wall doesn't exist - I have been approved for at least two out of formulary medications or procedures which were infamous enough to be the subject of medical dramas because of this kind of nonsense. I was permitted to use them because the physicians who took the initiative to convince the insurance company that (in one instance) $600 of outpatient medication was a lot more cost effective than at least 2 weeks hospitalization. People now would laugh at the idea of hospitalization rather than medication, but it was nearly unheard of at the time.

But "should" and reality don't always match. I would not be surprised if the refusal above was because the doctors weren't familiar enough with the insurance plan - and the patient/family didn't have the resources (experience, time, specialized knowledge, money) to be able to push the right buttons.

It stinks. And no one, when they are at their most vulnerable, should have to fight the insurance companies. And certainly no one ought to be dying because the medication needed to keep them alive costs $6000.

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Good points. My dear Aunt Ginger had a mastectomy in her late 70's, & they sent her home peacebird May 2013 #1
I am so sorry to hear that your aunt suffered in this manner truedelphi May 2013 #4
The nurses discharging her should have asked the Ilsa May 2013 #18
Since this was a prophylactic surgery, ie., there WAS marybourg May 2013 #2
That is good information, and truedelphi May 2013 #5
Also, if you're not in a situation where you have someone to help you, you could winter is coming May 2013 #9
I'm expendable in the eyes of the government and don't qualify for insurance. So no worries here. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #3
it's not only masectomies -- they push everybody out to take care of themselves, often with HiPointDem May 2013 #6
When people say "It can't happen here" truedelphi May 2013 #7
Yes, but... Ms. Toad May 2013 #13
When you have had a by pass surgery, truedelphi May 2013 #17
my angel father had an entire node of his lung removed roguevalley May 2013 #12
i hear you & have similar stories. as if the cruelty of disease and aging wasn't cruelty enough. HiPointDem May 2013 #14
consider yourself hugged, honey roguevalley May 2013 #21
ditto. HiPointDem May 2013 #31
I'm pretty sure there is no relationship Ms. Toad May 2013 #15
I was advised by my doctor to get the shingles vaccine during my last routine checkup and I did. phylny May 2013 #16
But wasn't it nice to hear you were "too young" for something just one more time? dflprincess May 2013 #27
Shingles vaccine age was dropped to 55, I had it last year. peacebird May 2013 #32
Ha, that's a good one! phylny May 2013 #33
They must have lowered it since I spoke to my doctor about it last year dflprincess May 2013 #38
Yes our doctors who are still practitioners are often on truedelphi May 2013 #19
I think that only one in three people who have had truedelphi May 2013 #22
I believe you are describing a radical mastectomy... hlthe2b May 2013 #8
In addition to the point marybourg made - Ms. Toad May 2013 #10
One of my sisters also had a double mastectomy. s-cubed May 2013 #11
Do you know why this is an issue? Spitfire of ATJ May 2013 #20
I pray for the day when the slash/burn/poison model of cancer therapy is a thing of the past BrotherIvan May 2013 #23
I get what you are saying. laundry_queen May 2013 #24
I so very much envy the Canadians their system of health care. truedelphi May 2013 #28
That's too bad the surgeons are telling them that. laundry_queen May 2013 #30
My 86 year old mother just has a mastectomy and lumpectomy Beaverhausen May 2013 #25
Ms Toad, up wards of this in response ten, truedelphi May 2013 #29
my mother (84) is taking Letrozole so hopefully - no mastectomy Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #26
This is between Ms. Jolie and her Doctor. Sure she made this public to get ahead of it in... Tikki May 2013 #34
i did not say it was not between truedelphi May 2013 #35
I am sorry...I just want people to know... Tikki May 2013 #36
No need to truedelphi May 2013 #37
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