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JDPriestly

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82. Yes. We who were born in the 40s and 50s had parents who grew up during
Sun May 19, 2013, 02:37 AM
May 2013

the Great Depression. Frugality was the key. We had gardens. Mom cooked and baked and didn't dare think about self-fulfillment or career until after her children were grown.

A lot has been said here about the good side of the 1950s through the 1970s.

I agree with much of it. Neighborhoods were safe because mothers were home taking care of all the children, not just their own. There was a sense of community. We walked to and from school.

Our dads had jobs they expected to keep until they retired. Usually they did, or if they didn't they found another one pretty easily. We could live, frugally, on what our dads earned, and they were proud of that.

The traditional family and community were wonderful, but a lot of women felt trapped. In particular, very intelligent women were stifled. So were African-Americans and members of other minorities.

Nothing has been said about the McCarthy era and all the anti-Communist hysteria that went along with the Cold War. In reality, there weren't hardly any Communists, but we heard a lot about them as if they were all over the place. Gradually over time, liberals who were simply good, loving people became fearful about expressing their belief that the government should regulate business and help the poor and that unions should be strong.

Most were not affected much by the Korean War, but my family was. My father as a spiritual leader in the community was faced with comforting the families of those who had fought in WWII and the Korean War and had come back injured either in body or in soul as well as those families whose sons and daughters never returned. The Korean War was very real to me for that reason. I remember how my father would look at the back page of the Sunday newspaper where the pictures of the fallen soldiers were printed. That was a dark reminder of the pain of the families of the fallen

The beginning of the end of unions was passage of the Taft-Hartley Act in the late 1940s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Management_Relations_Act_of_1947

Viet Nam changed the economy, as did the gas crisis in 1973-74 and then the second gas crisis during the Carter administration. Too much money and too many lives were wasted in that war. When the war was over, we had to pay for it. Our money declined in terms of buying power. The countries that sold us oil became frustrated and wanted changes that would protect their wealth. Nixon was an insult to the nation, not the least because he extended that futile waste of lives and wealth for no apparent reason at all other than his personal desire to stay in office.

At the time, many Americans did not realize just how detrimental the Viet Nam War was to our society and economy. In fact, we have never fully admitted it.

The important question is what can we learn from the good and the bad that happened during those years. I would say that the most important lesson is that wars are money pits that don't really solve anything.

The Korean War never ended. It is still going on, a disease on the planet lying dormant for the moment but ready to explode in hatred any moment.

Look at Viet Nam. The North Vietnamese Communists won. They were brutal to the people of their country who had been our friends. But -- today many products we buy in our stores are made in Viet Nam. We trade with them. We don't interfere in their country. They don't interfere in ours. Was it worth the killing, the deaths, the injuries, the damage to our economy?

Finally, I lived in the North during my childhood and in the deep South during my teen years. Although I am white, I experienced humiliation and pain from living in a society in which there was so much segregation and racial hatred.

We had an African-American cleaning woman in my high school. I liked to sing and stayed after school to listen to her sing as she did her work. I was careful not to do it in any way that people would notice. I learned so much about music and singing from watching and hearing her. She should have been teaching us instead of cleaning up after us. The apartheid in the South was pointless and disgraceful.

If I seem fanatical or angry at times on DU, I hope you will all understand. I owe some of my impatience with injustice to my parents' strong social and moral values and the lessons of WWII, but I also much of it to that cleaning lady whose talent and kindness were never recognized by the world and whose voice changed my life, to the sight of the little shotgun houses in which African-Americans crammed their families and to the Jim Crow signs that limited not just the lives of African-Americans but also those of us white folks.

The 40s through the 70s were a time of social change. The earlier years were simpler and easier, but, as a society, we had to grow up, and those were the years in which we did it.

Many in our society reacted to the social changes by rejecting change and turning to conservatism. More and more people are realizing that conservatism doesn't work, that we can't go back to what we remember as the good times in the past. The conservative movement has imposed a false memory on many of us. It has caused us to focus only on the good in the past and forget the bad things that moved us to change.

Obama's slogan about moving forward is a good one. We do need to keep moving forward.

I would like to see more of a sense of community, more economic fairness and more trust in democracy. Those were the good aspects of that time. But I would not want to return to Jim Crow or any of the stereotypes and limitations on groups in our society like women, gays and lesbians, and people of color.



A simple answer? Unions. Brickbat May 2013 #1
Unions built a strong middle class n/t etherealtruth May 2013 #64
Another simple answer: government was not as deeply in the pockets the rich and corporate interests. geckosfeet May 2013 #2
and a lot of the rich were like Romney's dad Skittles May 2013 #76
Don't fall for the postmortem hype. He was a greedy, stupid man who drove a marginal company into Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #81
Your second paragraph pretty much sums it up. femmocrat May 2013 #3
about the "safer" part... annabanana May 2013 #16
Yes, felt safe, lived in a community life long demo May 2013 #63
Actually, we kids were not as safe as we all thought. JDPriestly May 2013 #84
We used to have a social contract even without unions Warpy May 2013 #4
EXCELLENT summation. . . n/t annabanana May 2013 #17
To add to what Warpy said, which was excellent unrepentant progress May 2013 #54
Word. bemildred May 2013 #91
Sears & Roebucks helped a lot Bandit May 2013 #92
The post war years benefited from many things. HereSince1628 May 2013 #5
I was born in 1939 and led mostly a sheltered life, RebelOne May 2013 #6
LOL @ the 70s being the golden age of anything. reformist2 May 2013 #7
compared to what? HiPointDem May 2013 #20
It was the golden age of shoulder pads frazzled May 2013 #22
It was the golden age of silliness landolfi May 2013 #30
Think about that, though. "Pot" as the generation before called it KoKo May 2013 #34
Now that I think about it landolfi May 2013 #59
powell memo = 1971 HiPointDem May 2013 #86
Good Point...many of us didn't know about "Powell Memo" until it got some attention pretty recently KoKo May 2013 #95
You mean the 80's... Oh that was a time! n/t KoKo May 2013 #33
that was the 80's Skittles May 2013 #77
No, that was the eighties. No shoulder pads--or epaulettes--in the seventies. No "messy" or MADem May 2013 #78
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80s. 70s = granny skirts and ethnic things, hippie-light look HiPointDem May 2013 #96
You mean when a middle class family could live on a single median salary? MannyGoldstein May 2013 #29
There was "Something" about that...at THAT TIME...it was what it was.. KoKo May 2013 #32
And when only a white family could be middle class Recursion May 2013 #80
Disco! nt Purplehazed May 2013 #68
When I was 10 aristocles May 2013 #8
Everything I've read so far on this thread marybourg May 2013 #9
I'll agree with you on that tech3149 May 2013 #23
Great post. Never heard of Powell memorandum but I'll look into it. nt raccoon May 2013 #25
Thanks, again sorry it was so long but it is important tech3149 May 2013 #47
"Sense of Community" at that time. Key. KoKo May 2013 #26
that sounds familiar. i was raised in queens DesertFlower May 2013 #38
"the fifties sound" niyad May 2013 #10
This old guy thanks you for your post. russspeakeasy May 2013 #12
you are most welcome. I was trying to find a video of it, but couldn't. niyad May 2013 #13
If you do find it, please post it... russspeakeasy May 2013 #18
she is most welcome. I will keep looking for it. niyad May 2013 #19
Yes...that was the Dark Side that Spilled out into the 1960's Revolution... KoKo May 2013 #28
"trashing"? all i did was post a song about what was going on. the OP asked niyad May 2013 #87
this "old woman" also thanks you. DesertFlower May 2013 #40
you are most welcome. niyad May 2013 #88
FDR was the most powerful man in the USA. Obvious. Even he acknowledged that John L. Lewis was byeya May 2013 #11
Credit cards... FirstLight May 2013 #14
Yes. We who were born in the 40s and 50s had parents who grew up during JDPriestly May 2013 #82
FDR's presidency RainDog May 2013 #15
"if it really was such a great time, what were the late 60s/early 70s massive social movements for?" HiPointDem May 2013 #21
i didn't like the 50s. DesertFlower May 2013 #43
IBM was known for being loyal to it's employees bananas May 2013 #66
hubby had one year of college. IBM gave DesertFlower May 2013 #70
Huge difference mick063 May 2013 #24
YES...that was a huge difference...although the "Godfather Movies" show the dark KoKo May 2013 #37
i remember that well. i have scoliosis and several doctors DesertFlower May 2013 #44
Everyone thinks that things were simpler when they were a child. That's at least Squinch May 2013 #27
If a person thinks it is golden they are probably white, middle class treestar May 2013 #31
Bank holding companies were intrastate, not Ilsa May 2013 #35
My 2 cents- ruffburr May 2013 #36
People seemed MUCH MORE sociable in that era. Even up through the mid-80's. KoKo May 2013 #39
Oh well guess we shouldn't even try- ruffburr May 2013 #42
Oh...it can work...but, I think folks these days like to be with their own... KoKo May 2013 #46
I'm good with that- ruffburr May 2013 #49
Well here's another way to look at it, though... KoKo May 2013 #62
The Sword Of Damocles changed everything.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #41
The Gladys Knight Version of "The Way We Were" is visually incredible..and the voice KoKo May 2013 #48
Love the song.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #51
Yes...I picked up the lyric/verse from "The Way We Were".. KoKo May 2013 #53
How does that go? If women remembered the pain of childbirth.... Junkdrawer May 2013 #57
Yes...it's worth trying to be hopeful...weed the sad out from the laughter KoKo May 2013 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author raccoon May 2013 #93
Unions nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #45
I don't really know much of anything we can quantify of what we have these days... KoKo May 2013 #50
Sooner or later we will face social unrest nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #52
There's much more "local" action starting. Not stuff that get's posted much on KoKo May 2013 #55
I know, that is what locally OWS moved, evolved into nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #56
You are right...Unions. Also, regulation= middle class. demosincebirth May 2013 #61
there was a turn against social programs when it started to benefit minorities JI7 May 2013 #58
Is this for your dissertation? Good God, there are library STACKS devoted to these questions. WinkyDink May 2013 #65
It's too broad a subject to do justice to, but... CBHagman May 2013 #67
unions and politicians who gave a shit about america madrchsod May 2013 #69
In every historical account save those concocted by capitalist douchebags, this era is called alcibiades_mystery May 2013 #71
I was going to post something similar but you've said it better. Basically it was a time when byeya May 2013 #89
This Was The Time RobinA May 2013 #72
Let's look at how the tax brackets were arranged in that period... JHB May 2013 #73
Unity. moondust May 2013 #74
Employees were considered and treated as 'people' instead of human capital DebJ May 2013 #75
Great times if you were a straight white male Recursion May 2013 #79
God I love you guys! defacto7 May 2013 #83
Get naked olddots May 2013 #85
Less GREED in the pre-Reagan era many a good man May 2013 #90
white flight was around since the 20s--but since the Long Hot Summers a far-right bunker mentality MisterP May 2013 #94
Unions and Corporate paternalism SteveG May 2013 #97
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