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badtoworse

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45. It's true we burn a small amount of distillate oil in peakers...

Mon May 20, 2013, 05:10 PM

May 2013

...but usually it's only when natural gas isn't available (like in the winter when pipelines occasionally have to interrupt power plants to insure an adequate gas supply for home heating). As a practical matter, the amount oil burned for baseload generation is very small.

What subsidies does a natural gas fired plant get?

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At some point, wind needs to compete without tax credits badtoworse May 2013 #18

why? oil still isn't 'weaned off' tax breaks. HiPointDem May 2013 #22

Agreed. HappyMe May 2013 #26

We don't generate electricity with oil, it's a transportation fuel. badtoworse May 2013 #27

With natural gas Kolesar May 2013 #30

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yes we do. & even if we didn't, so what? HiPointDem May 2013 #40

It's true we burn a small amount of distillate oil in peakers... badtoworse May 2013 #45

... HiPointDem May 2013 #46

Deducting operating expenses and depreciating equipment and wells is not a subsidy badtoworse May 2013 #48

Do you actually know anything about subsidies? kristopher May 2013 #55

Let's agree on what is and is not a subsidy badtoworse May 2013 #80

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we must not be reading the same links. HiPointDem May 2013 #66

There are two sides to every story. Try these badtoworse May 2013 #71

there are plenty of direct and indirect tax breaks and subsidies for oil & gas; the link i HiPointDem May 2013 #96

The link just took me to Google badtoworse May 2013 #97

the link took you to the results of a google search for gas subsidies. the natural gas industry HiPointDem May 2013 #98

or ethanol grantcart May 2013 #88

Why? EC May 2013 #31

What tax credits do gas, nuclear or coal fired plants get? badtoworse May 2013 #44

Are you kidding?.. n/t EC May 2013 #47

No badtoworse May 2013 #49

Do your own research EC May 2013 #51

See Post 48 badtoworse May 2013 #53

Again, do some research EC May 2013 #57

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That sounds like a capitalist idea! More important to gtar100 May 2013 #102

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