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182. Dog breeds were created for specific purposes

Mon May 20, 2013, 09:03 PM

May 2013

Jack Russells, border collies, and bloodhounds are all very different dogs that were created for different purposes. You could try to send a Jack Russell out after the cows, and a border collie out to search for humans, and a bloodhound out on a fox hunt, but these dogs wouldn't work for those purposes.

Pit bulls were bred to fight much larger animals, and they were bred to have gameness, that is to keep on attacking no matter what.

Or are you really going to try to claim that they were bred to look after small children?

Either way, after we spend 500 years breeding a small group of humans for viciousness, then we might be able to make a comparison, but right now, we've got animals that were created for killing and maiming, and it's not racist to claim that.

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Remember that woman in rural LA county who was killed by a pack of dogs last week? [View all] baldguy May 2013 OP

Correct me if I am wrong but she is still dead and was killed by pits CBGLuthier May 2013 #1

Yep iwillalwayswonderwhy May 2013 #2

Whoosh. uppityperson May 2013 #23

What? iwillalwayswonderwhy May 2013 #103

Way to pile on the poor bastard Floyd_Gondolli May 2013 #21

Because he allowed his dogs to kill someone. nt ladjf May 2013 #207

The guy who owned the dogs was a drug dealer, who was arrested. baldguy May 2013 #210

I was referring to the dogs owner of course. His occupation is irrelevant to what I would ladjf May 2013 #214

She was killed by a drug dealer. baldguy May 2013 #27

Exactly. The same if the drug dealer had shot her. It would be a people problem, hughee99 May 2013 #60

No, that would be a gun problem ... oldhippie May 2013 #127

really the dogs were drug dealers as well as vicious animals? bowens43 May 2013 #81

Who were owned, trained, abused **AND ALLOWED TO ROAM THE NEIGHBORHOOD** by a drug dealer. baldguy May 2013 #88

IMO a dog attack should be considered to have been inflicted by the owner Orrex May 2013 #92

It differs because... Mr. X May 2013 #170

Well... Orrex May 2013 #179

Like guns ... GeorgeGist May 2013 #3

No they don't Drale May 2013 #56

Guns and pit bulls kill people. kwassa May 2013 #192

Another pitbull post. bunnies May 2013 #4

edit - never mind (nt) Nine May 2013 #6

we can read your edits. plenty are started by those looking to stir shit. PeaceNikki May 2013 #76

Does shit stirring mean replying to a self-deleted post? Nine May 2013 #101

you didn't delete, you edited. PeaceNikki May 2013 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson May 2013 #106

You can't reply to a self deleted post. uppityperson May 2013 #108

I personally think 5 threads in 5 days by 1 person on 1 topic is excessive. (nt) Nine May 2013 #120

I personally think re-posting something the jury hid should be bannable. By those measures, you'd be PeaceNikki May 2013 #124

Did they really do that? uppityperson May 2013 #129

Yes, a few times, in fact. PeaceNikki May 2013 #131

DU is such a place. uppityperson May 2013 #133

No I did not. Nine May 2013 #143

If the jury hides your post and you repost it elsewhere, that's poor form. Any idiot can figure that PeaceNikki May 2013 #145

Because ther are a small minority of people on DU who want to eradicate Pit Bulls. baldguy May 2013 #28

Where were you when these breeds went extinct? randome May 2013 #31

I looked at the first few on that list and I wasn't around in the 1800s. uppityperson May 2013 #110

Then how do you address bad owners? randome May 2013 #155

How about a compromise? Shankapotomus May 2013 #38

I don't think those traits were ever intentionally bred *out*. Marr May 2013 #75

Okay, intentionally or not Shankapotomus May 2013 #78

That presupposes these dogs are different from any other dogs. baldguy May 2013 #141

That being your position Shankapotomus May 2013 #175

You're making the same assumption: that Pit Bulls are different. They're not. baldguy May 2013 #177

Why does one dog look any different than another? maxsolomon May 2013 #180

I have no reason to presume Shankapotomus May 2013 #181

No, no, no. Pit bulls do not belong in the wild. They need love and family. cui bono May 2013 #195

Excellent point. And, the truth lies in the trends of deadly dog attacks, right? Buzz Clik May 2013 #5

Well, that settles that. The dogs did no harm, after all. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #7

I was mugged by an Algerian man. All Algerian men are dangerous. See? uppityperson May 2013 #10

I'd say that dogs have a lot more invested in instinct than people do. Not a good analogy, IMO. randome May 2013 #13

Of course you don't think it is a good analogy. Try:Black people needed to be kept as slaves because uppityperson May 2013 #17

Racist analogies are bad when they're applied to people. baldguy May 2013 #90

Dog breeds were created for specific purposes XemaSab May 2013 #182

And the oldest & **MOST IMPORTANT** purpose all dogs were bred for, starting from 30,000 yrs ago baldguy May 2013 #187

Right Shankapotomus May 2013 #14

Because lions have never been domesticated. Dogs... (ALL dogs) come from domesticated stock. TalkingDog May 2013 #18

Then maybe pitulls should be Shankapotomus May 2013 #24

Oh, yes... that seems to work out very well. Roaming packs of dogs. PeaceNikki May 2013 #42

What do you think wolves are? Shankapotomus May 2013 #46

A dog is not a lion or a submarine. Marriage equality means people will marry their dogs so let's be uppityperson May 2013 #22

So can I have a pet lion? nt Shankapotomus May 2013 #26

Purple. eom uppityperson May 2013 #49

Okay so Shankapotomus May 2013 #73

Personally, I prefer cheesecake over pie. nt uppityperson May 2013 #105

And since there is no way to force people to be more responsible... randome May 2013 #8

You've never heard of licensing & registration? baldguy May 2013 #32

None of that has worked so far, has it? randome May 2013 #37

I could be the most irresponsible dog owner in the world (I'm not, by the way) Bake May 2013 #9

Your venting against people who have the right to their opinion rustydog May 2013 #11

The dog haters "opinion" includes offering "solutions" to a problem which won't solve the problem. baldguy May 2013 #36

Okay. Define 'suffering'. Who will suffer if pit bulls are banned? randome May 2013 #40

Then can I have a pet tiger now? Nt Shankapotomus May 2013 #12

Only if you let it play with Baldguy's pit bulls on Wednesdays! randome May 2013 #16

Your obsession with this topic is pretty strange. Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #15

People can disagree, but passing breed specific legislation is wrong. Like being anti-choice on DU uppityperson May 2013 #20

Yes, you have a point about passing legislation. I understand the concern. Sheldon Cooper May 2013 #25

What is the definitions of "dangerous dog"? uppityperson May 2013 #30

That's your opinion. 99Forever May 2013 #157

Advocating anti-choice legislation is not allowed. Trying to educate people about BSL is right uppityperson May 2013 #161

Oh please. 99Forever May 2013 #166

There are people on this board who want to kill a member of my family. baldguy May 2013 #44

Absolutely no one wants to take your pets away from you. randome May 2013 #50

Yes they do. baldguy May 2013 #85

'Ban', to me, is not the same thing as 'confiscate'. randome May 2013 #99

Then keep it leashed and don't let it roam. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #84

I don't want anything to do HappyMe May 2013 #87

In the eyes of the law... 99Forever May 2013 #160

Do you make this same comment to all of the threads on the topic with which you agree? PeaceNikki May 2013 #47

Dog haters? HappyMe May 2013 #19

+ 1,000,000 clarice May 2013 #43

This is actually one of my "pet" peeves. clarice May 2013 #29

Where does Jon Stewart fit into your 2 categories? I am curious. uppityperson May 2013 #33

Why ? did he bite someone?. nt clarice May 2013 #39

He owns several. Or were you just talking those who can't handle the dog, in which case it fits uppityperson May 2013 #45

No he owns 3 pit bulls. So now what? Rex May 2013 #52

I think many equate 'ban' with 'confiscation'. randome May 2013 #53

Sure ya do, you hate the breed. Rex May 2013 #59

Way to not address the point I made. randome May 2013 #63

Right keep telling yourself that. Rex May 2013 #66

Me either, I think we are barking up the wrong tree. nt clarice May 2013 #68

Please don't report Randome to the PBDL. Pit Bull Defense league. clarice May 2013 #65

Thank you! randome May 2013 #70

lol. You're welcome. that looks like a vicious cat. nt clarice May 2013 #74

So now you should chill......jeeesh. nt clarice May 2013 #54

All I did was call you out for your asinine post. Rex May 2013 #61

Oh !!! now I get it. Your handle is "Rex". lol. nt clarice May 2013 #69

(with exception of course) nt jmg257 May 2013 #41

Thanks for the back up. Do you ever get the feeling.... clarice May 2013 #57

Why all you did was make an embarrassing post that shows your vast Rex May 2013 #64

That has to be the saddest post I've seen yet about this subject. Rex May 2013 #67

A back window sticker on a pickup truck I saw a couple of weeks ago. randome May 2013 #35

Your "facts" aren't facts at all. baldguy May 2013 #51

offensive to pit bulls ?!!??. nt clarice May 2013 #55

"Gangstas"? "Rednecks"? baldguy May 2013 #93

OMG ! Gimme a break!. too funny. clarice May 2013 #97

I dont think a pack of dachsunds would have created the same situation. boomer55 May 2013 #34

Sounds like you mean size matters. Not breed but size. uppityperson May 2013 #114

There's a subset of "banners", just like there's a subset of "the breed is innocenters" maxsolomon May 2013 #48

The people that want to exterminate the pit bull breed are no better than Rex May 2013 #58

I'd trust a Dalek before a pit-bull hater Drale May 2013 #62

Hmmm...good point. Rex May 2013 #71

A Dalek is only 27% as dangerous as a pit bull. True fact. Orrex May 2013 #86

so the husband saying this make it "the truth" - perhaps someone is a bit too close to this issue DrDan May 2013 #72

how about the ASPCA opinion on BSL? PeaceNikki May 2013 #77

they do - and state that pits are more agressive than other breeds DrDan May 2013 #83

They do not. PeaceNikki May 2013 #91

from the ASPCA DrDan May 2013 #94

You understand that is in context to fighting OTHER DOGS, not people, right? PeaceNikki May 2013 #98

I see - so that aggression is never directed toward people - got it . . . DrDan May 2013 #164

Lots of qualifiers undermine your "are more" statement. uppityperson May 2013 #115

NO ONE was implying pits are ALWAYS more agressive DrDan May 2013 #165

no breed bans Progressive dog May 2013 #79

You know what... wercal May 2013 #80

Shocked that it took this long for someone to post a link to that bullshit site whose data has been PeaceNikki May 2013 #82

Ok...I'll Bite (see what I did there) wercal May 2013 #104

Did you lose your Google CD ROM? PeaceNikki May 2013 #119

So you've got nuthin' wercal May 2013 #125

It's all been posted here on DU... again AD NAUSEUM. I am not your fucking research bitch. PeaceNikki May 2013 #130

So you've got nothing wercal May 2013 #134

Keep telling yourself that, chief. PeaceNikki May 2013 #135

Geez, you act like I made it up or its black magic wercal May 2013 #140

Here you go, go back to the gungeon. PeaceNikki May 2013 #142

You know wercal May 2013 #151

The gungeon is your favorite group, per your profile PeaceNikki May 2013 #159

Ok, these are threads I've found in 'Latest Threads' wercal May 2013 #167

DogBite.org is an anti-Pit Bull propaganda site. Anything from it is full of shit. baldguy May 2013 #96

You dispute their data wercal May 2013 #109

Go to that sites fatatlities stats LostOne4Ever May 2013 #184

Can you link to the dogsbite.org page with the disclaimer you're talking about? Nine May 2013 #188

Here you go LostOne4Ever May 2013 #190

You're claiming that pit bulls "outnumber all the other dogs by 2-100x"? Nine May 2013 #202

OF THE DOGS LISTED LostOne4Ever May 2013 #204

Still not following your math. Nine May 2013 #217

He doesn't understand statistics wercal May 2013 #220

Considering LostOne4Ever May 2013 #224

Color me not impressed wercal May 2013 #225

I guess facts dont impress you at all LostOne4Ever May 2013 #231

Yes I called you emotional wercal May 2013 #234

Here is the math LostOne4Ever May 2013 #222

That's complete gibberish. Nine May 2013 #226

What is gibberish LostOne4Ever May 2013 #228

See post 230 to learn how to do math wercal May 2013 #233

All the math in the world doesn't fix bad initial assumptions wercal May 2013 #230

This misidentification BS makes my blood boil wercal May 2013 #203

Nice story LostOne4Ever May 2013 #206

Where is the 'offense'? Are pit bulls offended? randome May 2013 #211

We are talking about getting rid of a breed of dog that many people love LostOne4Ever May 2013 #216

I don't understand how you can 'love' a breed. I do understand loving a dog. randome May 2013 #223

Wow, fairly dismissive of my 'nice story' about a kid being wercal May 2013 #221

From the CDC Dog Bite Fact Sheet, referencing **YOUR LINK**: baldguy May 2013 #185

And why are they wrong? Why is DogsBite a propaganda website? baldguy May 2013 #189

You should realize that is not real research. Nine May 2013 #200

You're not even reading your own links. baldguy May 2013 #208

you read the links Nine May 2013 #219

Your reading comprehension skills are .... lacking. baldguy May 2013 #232

And here's another study debunking visual breed ID: baldguy May 2013 #191

Ah yes, cross posted. That's the very study I discuss above. (nt) Nine May 2013 #201

No matter which side of the argument you're on, haters gonna hate DainBramaged May 2013 #89

Wow. You're actually using NRA strategies now. aikoaiko May 2013 #95

Hahahaha. Gungeon II. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #100

a gun is an inanimate object BainsBane May 2013 #107

Yes, imagine the danger if guns were animated. aikoaiko May 2013 #112

Yes, well if the guys who unloaded their BainsBane May 2013 #116

I was just teasing. aikoaiko May 2013 #117

that is true for any dog breed BainsBane May 2013 #118

Species? wercal May 2013 #126

breed BainsBane May 2013 #128

You are starting to babble wercal May 2013 #132

Oh, FFS BainsBane May 2013 #136

Wow - I suppose that's directed at me? wercal May 2013 #146

Yes, you truly are the smartest person on earth BainsBane May 2013 #147

Towering Intellect wercal May 2013 #154

And the two issues collide wercal May 2013 #111

Woohoo. Score a win for gun culture over pit-bull culture. aikoaiko May 2013 #113

We already had a thread on that BainsBane May 2013 #122

pit bulls kill people... ileus May 2013 #186

Yeah well rrneck May 2013 #121

No, they aren't BainsBane May 2013 #123

A large powerful dog regardless of breed rrneck May 2013 #137

You obviously don't know anything about dogs BainsBane May 2013 #138

If you treat any animal with cruelty and aggression rrneck May 2013 #148

It's simply false BainsBane May 2013 #152

I like dogs and with a couple of rare exceptions rrneck May 2013 #158

I have no problem with licensing dogs BainsBane May 2013 #163

No analogy is perfect. rrneck May 2013 #173

no question there is ideological extremism BainsBane May 2013 #174

Y'know, I'll bet rrneck May 2013 #194

We can and should legislate behavior BainsBane May 2013 #196

Can't do it. rrneck May 2013 #197

laws already exist BainsBane May 2013 #199

That's the problem. rrneck May 2013 #213

look at drug laws BainsBane May 2013 #227

The drug wars have been a failure. rrneck May 2013 #229

Another point BainsBane May 2013 #168

Yeah, I heard about that car thing. That sucks. rrneck May 2013 #171

It is true that cities are not islands BainsBane May 2013 #172

Excellent! Finally someone addresses the size of a dog, thank you. I do not know how to enforce your uppityperson May 2013 #139

only it's completely false BainsBane May 2013 #149

Larger dogs can potentially cause more damage more quickly. uppityperson May 2013 #150

Potentially is not probably BainsBane May 2013 #153

how does this validate or invalidate either side of the argument? LanternWaste May 2013 #144

See? See? First it was my guns, now they want my pit bulls. TheCowsCameHome May 2013 #156

more people killed by guns than dogs hollysmom May 2013 #162

Way more BainsBane May 2013 #176

Note to Admins: Turbineguy May 2013 #169

More of this? Wow. n-t Logical May 2013 #178

Since you're on about this again whatchamacallit May 2013 #183

Is your only solution for every problem you face to kill it? baldguy May 2013 #193

I don't buy it whatchamacallit May 2013 #218

um... I really thought you were going to say that the dogs were not pit bulls ecstatic May 2013 #198

Ban the breed. The Link May 2013 #205

Ban the breed banners. baldguy May 2013 #209

We have to ban "assault dogs". krispos42 May 2013 #212

Splendid piece of satire, baldguy! You're giving graham4anything a run for his money. Nimajneb Nilknarf May 2013 #215