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244. That Tom Jones is English is irrelevant; yes, a "lady" in England can also be an upper-class

Mon May 20, 2013, 09:47 PM

May 2013

title -- so what? I doubt Tom is singing about Lords and Ladies.

I never said being a lady is disgusting sexism--I said that song is disgusting sexism.

When this song came out about 40 years ago, these phrases made me queasy even as a young girl:

"She's the kind they'd like to flaunt and take to dinner" -- sorry, don't want to be arm candy; I don't exist just to make other men envious of you to boost your ego.

"she always knows her place" -- and what place is that? Bet he's gonna tell me exactly that place, rather than realize that I'm my own person and will make my own place

"she's never in the way" -- of course not; by definition, women are never to get in men's way; men are the 1st class citizens and women the 2nd class.

"She can take what I dish out, and that's not easy" -- God knows what this means, but it's creepy.

Just my take on it, from way back in time when I first heard the song and didn't even know what sexism was.

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What do you think of the word "unladylike"? [View all] redqueen May 2013 OP

You know what I think Dash87 May 2013 #1

LOL, every time I read your posts Jazzgirl May 2013 #47

Got another! :D Dash87 May 2013 #50

Yeah, Dash and I have had this conversation. Best or worst dig line ever! nolabear May 2013 #329

They still use "gentlemanly", also. Also rather archaic. SharonAnn May 2013 #99

What is archaic about manners and etiquette? Not getting huffy with you. I think we have different KittyWampus May 2013 #120

I was thinking the same thing. Did I miss something. Like you I'm just wondering. southernyankeebelle May 2013 #163

Does anyone say "ungentlemanly"? loyalsister May 2013 #168

I used that term today to describe a jerk dr.strangelove May 2013 #170

I have never heard it used loyalsister May 2013 #178

I have heard it that way as well. LostOne4Ever May 2013 #279

I hear that term a lot ....... oldhippie May 2013 #180

Absolutely. "Bill O'Reilly behaves in an ungentlemanly fashion most nights on his TV show." MADem May 2013 #217

They make it a little more 'wordy'.... daleanime May 2013 #227

I think "gentlemanly" is rather archaic. Dash87 May 2013 #210

I agree. I raised my son to be a gentleman. dmr May 2013 #214

Yes, but that has a positive connotation. southerncrone May 2013 #232

I haven't really thought of it, because I haven't really heard it. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #2

From my point of view, awkwardness is ladylike if a lady does it. Luminous Animal May 2013 #254

It's an inside family joke. ScreamingMeemie May 2013 #263

That's cool. Luminous Animal May 2013 #264

Antiquated and useless get the red out May 2013 #3

Men who don't consider women as strong, or as equals. DCKit May 2013 #4

I prefer unladylike behavior! randome May 2013 #5

Hate it. Who used it recently that has rekindled this discussion? PeaceNikki May 2013 #6

I hesitate to say, juries are hit or miss. nt redqueen May 2013 #12

oh, right here on DU? PeaceNikki May 2013 #19

Look at the replies to this OP. redqueen May 2013 #24

*sigh* PeaceNikki May 2013 #25

I'm not sure that's entirely fair hootinholler May 2013 #33

Par for the course Major Nikon May 2013 #200

What?! Someone used a word of which you disapprove? Oh,the horror. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #63

Yeah... like FUCK!! Think of the children!!!111!!! PeaceNikki May 2013 #153

Well, we may as well post the jury results muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #241

Cult of true womenhood. ZombieHorde May 2013 #7

Mental hermaphrodites, unite! n/t TygrBright May 2013 #125

Well, I'm distinctly unladylike. MineralMan May 2013 #8

Depends on context. It can be a useful remark to someone who considers herself a lady... aikoaiko May 2013 #9

I'm generally not insulted by it. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #10

It's a Texasgal May 2013 #11

Seeing it used here in this context hootinholler May 2013 #13

"unladylike" = not under anyone's control eShirl May 2013 #14

Did you just call Madonna a whore! snooper2 May 2013 #15

I wish it would take a flying leap into the abyss where the word "gentlemanly" got tossed librechik May 2013 #16

I'm sure most feminists agree. nt redqueen May 2013 #17

What 'abyss' has 'gentlemanly 'been tossed into? muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #191

OOUUTTRRAAGGEE!!! Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #18

yeah. this. (nt) smackd May 2013 #32

That I believe would be considered quite "ladylike". LanternWaste May 2013 #90

I enjoy many of the "ladylike" qualities in my wife... Pelican May 2013 #20

I think it's problematic but not wholly negative el_bryanto May 2013 #21

I remember a phrase my stepfather would use to describe "unladylike" behavior... KansDem May 2013 #22

My standard repy when it was used in the past.. madmom May 2013 #23

My standard reply to that is to belch. But I don't know how to spell that. Matariki May 2013 #26

In usage Cirque du So-What May 2013 #27

I'm with you. Strike ladylike and gentlemanly and their negatives for classy and classless. nt stevenleser May 2013 #56

Classy assumes that you belong to a class that knows how to "behave". Luminous Animal May 2013 #258

Classy has nothing to do with economic class. I've seen plenty of classless rich people nt stevenleser May 2013 #282

He'll I've been unladylike my whole life newfie11 May 2013 #28

Yeah. It describes me like no other word does. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #36

Lol I wear it proudly newfie11 May 2013 #54

Another iPhone user. Dash87 May 2013 #76

Lol you are right newfie11 May 2013 #123

You can always turn it off in "Settings" emulatorloo May 2013 #197

Thanks for the info, but I screw up far too much not to have it. I couldn't live without it! Dash87 May 2013 #209

Same here newfie11 May 2013 #283

Me too, LOL! emulatorloo May 2013 #346

Yeah, and I noticed the good-looking ones belch loudest. Eleanors38 May 2013 #265

I never mastered that newfie11 May 2013 #284

That was extinguished in the 70s in our house. JohnnyLib2 May 2013 #29

Seems like a bit of a journey from "unladylike" to "Madonna/whore" Buzz Clik May 2013 #30

These concepts are linked. This is Feminism 101 stuff. redqueen May 2013 #35

So, if you say I'm acting in an unladylike manner, that you're actually calling me a whore? Buzz Clik May 2013 #45

It implies that it is too aggressive for a lady. annabanana May 2013 #62

Well, I guess I'll have to disagree. Buzz Clik May 2013 #64

Only in the most remote sense Major Nikon May 2013 #192

Well, I generally don't think HappyMe May 2013 #31

You should just link to Dawkins' "Dear Muslima" rant. It'd save you time. nt redqueen May 2013 #34

Who the fuck is Dawkins? HappyMe May 2013 #39

The Atheist version of God (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #51

Okay. HappyMe May 2013 #52

It doesn't. You were making sense, you pointed out real issues that are worthy of sabrina 1 May 2013 #281

World renown biologist, and quite brilliant. Gore1FL May 2013 #77

So... he is a godless heathen who's going STRAIGHT to HELL!!!! Demo_Chris May 2013 #82

I'm still confused about the HappyMe May 2013 #88

Hell if I know. I figure if terms like "ladylike" are your big concerns... Demo_Chris May 2013 #98

Thanks. HappyMe May 2013 #102

What a ridiculous conclusion go make. Discussing the word ladylike sufrommich May 2013 #103

Remember Derailing for Dummies? redqueen May 2013 #111

Read EXACTLY what I wrote... Demo_Chris May 2013 #132

Except nobody "ranked" the word "unladylike" as sufrommich May 2013 #173

I imagine many people lack the ability to possess concern for both the large and the small things in LanternWaste May 2013 #304

Not a clue on why he was brought up. Gore1FL May 2013 #100

calling for another round of the Opression Olympics? bettyellen May 2013 #291

I'm not calling for anything. HappyMe May 2013 #292

flame bait demwing May 2013 #37

It is the companion to "ungentlemanly." MADem May 2013 #38

^ this ^ progressoid May 2013 #147

It is not a very manly thing to say (nt) The Straight Story May 2013 #40

"Manly" behavior is not popular with the author of the OP, either. Buzz Clik May 2013 #61

The companion to "manly" is "womanly." MADem May 2013 #267

But manly promotes the stereotype that a man needs to be "tough" and "dominant"... cascadiance May 2013 #338

It's just a word that describes a person's appearance or demeanor. It doesn't necessarily promote MADem May 2013 #340

I don't really give a flying fuck. Hardly high up on my list of things to be outraged cali May 2013 #41

I'm sure you'd really appreciate a man telling you your posts are unladylike. boston bean May 2013 #211

Wouldn't bother me in the least, in fact, I would probably take is as a compliment, or simply sabrina 1 May 2013 #336

I can certainly believe you feel that way and would have never bothered boston bean May 2013 #341

This is very unladylike Major Nikon May 2013 #242

and i will be ungentlemanly and agree loli phabay May 2013 #306

Depends on the context, but I don't automatically see that word as an insult. Nye Bevan May 2013 #42

Can men engage in unladylike behavior? MattBaggins May 2013 #71

Ungentlemanly (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #113

If a guy bends over and everyone sees his ruffled panties then yes! One_Life_To_Give May 2013 #195

"And when he pulls his frilly nylon panties right up tight, Art_from_Ark May 2013 #273

My wife uses that term all the time Shrek May 2013 #43

My mother also used that term all the time. RebelOne May 2013 #110

Growing up and a "tomboy" I hated it. And, at age 55, I still don't know what the fuck Luminous Animal May 2013 #260

In the here and now, I think it refers (colloquially at its weakest point) to any female... LanternWaste May 2013 #44

I think you've hit on it. . . .n/t annabanana May 2013 #66

Thank you for this post. short and excellent. nt. NCTraveler May 2013 #171

I have no problem with the word "ladylike" badtoworse May 2013 #46

It's ridiculous. sibelian May 2013 #48

No. Do not care to discuss it. Got better things to do. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #49

You are posting on DU MattBaggins May 2013 #73

Nor you. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #84

And yet, here you are... Squinch May 2013 #216

Archaic, should be discarded from modern usage. (nt) Paladin May 2013 #53

I have a feeling it is used all the time around the world. Rex May 2013 #55

I admit I use it with my daughter maddezmom May 2013 #59

Do you use it with your sons if you have any? MattBaggins May 2013 #74

My son is a nonverbal and he has severe autism maddezmom May 2013 #83

The daughter I azmom May 2013 #112

Well I believe you can be a real feminist and have manners. n/t maddezmom May 2013 #116

I think the issue azmom May 2013 #130

The companion word is "ungentlemanly." MADem May 2013 #221

What does it matter where ones elbows are? MattBaggins May 2013 #248

... opiate69 May 2013 #249

So another dead unimportant European thing MattBaggins May 2013 #251

pretty much... opiate69 May 2013 #252

If you don't understand why it is rude, I can't help you. MADem May 2013 #250

Lol.. It's not about wealth MattBaggins May 2013 #253

If they're invited to a formal event, they do want this information and they want to follow it. MADem May 2013 #266

Yeah. Or belching loudly. Or spitting. Who cares about this "manners" stuff? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #259

Belching isn't rude in every culture MattBaggins May 2013 #261

I guess I am in the minority here. Rex May 2013 #107

I think it's a substantial mis-identification or mis-attribution of what the traits of valid patrice May 2013 #57

i laugh at people who think they are insulting me with it... (as in i'm NOT ladylike) Scout May 2013 #58

A condition I strive for daily! annabanana May 2013 #60

Meaningless in a Modern Society. Same goes for "Manly." CBGLuthier May 2013 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Apophis May 2013 #67

It's a word used to remind a woman that she's entered sufrommich May 2013 #68

Apparently this thread is for you to tell us all how we should feel ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #69

and for attention datasuspect May 2013 #93

OMG, I just found the thread that spurred all this ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #97

Please share then hootinholler May 2013 #101

Here ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #105

LOL azmom May 2013 #118

Really? hootinholler May 2013 #127

LMMFAO!! That is epic! opiate69 May 2013 #129

And the lulz never stop ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #185

lmao... wind 'em up and watch 'em go!! opiate69 May 2013 #188

It would be even more so to see the alert results Major Nikon May 2013 #208

This message was self-deleted by its author opiate69 May 2013 #108

+1 Buzz Clik May 2013 #141

My Mom used it on my sisters all the time in the late sixties/ early seventies. It was code FSogol May 2013 #70

My grandmother used the term ... onpatrol98 May 2013 #72

I strive to be unladylike every day BuddhaGirl May 2013 #75

Are you implying that a woman would act like a man? RC May 2013 #78

I never really thought about it much, but Jamaal510 May 2013 #79

It's very very JustAnotherGen May 2013 #80

I don't think I have heard it used other than ironically. nt Demo_Chris May 2013 #81

If a woman lifts her leg and farts, I can't call her act "ungentlemanly", can I? Scuba May 2013 #85

somebody that would probably be a lot of fun to be around. hobbit709 May 2013 #86

i hear it used most often when older women (boomers and lost generation) galileoreloaded May 2013 #87

The same thing I think of "unmanly" MNBrewer May 2013 #89

Oh - you'll LOVE this then... jmg257 May 2013 #91

i sit down to pee datasuspect May 2013 #92

Fine. I'll confess. So do I. randome May 2013 #106

On a train, airplane or other moving conveyance, it is the gentlemanly thing to do. MADem May 2013 #228

It was something I was accused of all the time by nuns and various Cleita May 2013 #94

Do people still use that?.... one_voice May 2013 #95

ahem... cyberswede May 2013 #135

Oh, well... one_voice May 2013 #167

I would look forward to some relic saying that to me. Whisp May 2013 #96

Now Sissyk May 2013 #179

I'm old school. I do believe that part of the problem we have in this sinkingfeeling May 2013 #104

+1 Shrek May 2013 #145

It is a perfectly fine word. I have no issues with it. Throd May 2013 #109

I certainly don't think the term is worthy of a profane response. kestrel91316 May 2013 #114

I think the context matters, but I'm happy to give this term and its male equivalent up to help stevenleser May 2013 #119

I don't consider either one of them to contribute to "negative" gender stereotypes. kestrel91316 May 2013 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl May 2013 #115

I'm fine with it. It denotes manners and etiquette which are sorely lacking in many, many KittyWampus May 2013 #117

About the same as I think about "unGentlemanly" or "unManly". Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #121

"Unmanly" is a bullshit sexist term as well. redqueen May 2013 #124

Examples from current news coverage muriel_volestrangler May 2013 #199

Most of the time, "rude" or "ill-mannered" would do. nt raccoon May 2013 #126

I know the last time some pickleface called me unladylike, I replied Warpy May 2013 #128

Calling you unladylike to your face was itself an ungentlemanly thing to do. Nye Bevan May 2013 #206

Yeah, that was my thinking, too Warpy May 2013 #225

No way, the subjugation of women is deeply ingrained through virtually every Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #131

So true azmom May 2013 #140

Interesting. redqueen May 2013 #151

Hi redqueen azmom May 2013 #166

I was not trolling at all. I was answering your comment about the Madonna/Whore complex. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #169

No no no no, not you... redqueen May 2013 #172

Thanks for clarifying, I was concerned. Well, here's another kick. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #182

"like you haven't had enough abuse..." opiate69 May 2013 #194

Don't bring your shit over here. Any problem you have with Redqueen is your's. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #196

I'll take it under advisement. opiate69 May 2013 #198

Shit hauling... Major Nikon May 2013 #234

"over here"? Dude, it's "general discussion". lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #299

Over here, as in the conversation I'm having with some else. You guys are free to piss all over Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #301

News flash: Now you are talking to me. lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #305

Only because you have rudely interjected yourself. There exists no device that can accurately Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #307

The device you're looking for is on your screen. It's called "ignore". n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #308

Not a chance, reading the authoritarian drivel and Reich-wing bullying that Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #310

Good! I'm glad to hear it! lumberjack_jeff May 2013 #335

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What do I think? Iggo May 2013 #133

It's a bullshit word: riqster May 2013 #134

Nose-picking. kysrsoze May 2013 #136

I think it says a whole lot about the person using the word... MadrasT May 2013 #137

I like it a lot! Why? Soundman May 2013 #138

Unladylike you say ? SamKnause May 2013 #139

It's Victorian treestar May 2013 #142

Oh, my! Your post isn't very ladylike at all!!! Zorra May 2013 #143

I was under the impression that carrying fights from one thread to another was frowned upon? Buzz Clik May 2013 #144

What the fuck are you talking about? What fight? redqueen May 2013 #157

Knock it off. Your shit storm/poutfest has already been linked and documented on this thread. Buzz Clik May 2013 #187

GD is the new Meta Major Nikon May 2013 #285

Gotta love amateur internet psychoanalysts Major Nikon May 2013 #286

Unladylike/ungentlemanly, for me anyway, are less about gender and more... Poll_Blind May 2013 #146

'She's a Lady' by Tom Jones Whisp May 2013 #148

I always hated that song for its disgusting sexism. nt Nay May 2013 #190

Tom Jones is English. RC May 2013 #222

That Tom Jones is English is irrelevant; yes, a "lady" in England can also be an upper-class Nay May 2013 #244

No, he is not English. MADem May 2013 #268

Laughable marions ghost May 2013 #149

I have no problem with the word StrongBad May 2013 #150

Sexist and stupid HockeyMom May 2013 #152

But it does have its uses occasionally, right? Nye Bevan May 2013 #158

Wow. redqueen May 2013 #160

Condescending, classist, and sexist. Deep13 May 2013 #154

Oh, surely it occasionally has its uses. Nye Bevan May 2013 #155

You realize it's being used ironically, right? cyberswede May 2013 #175

Funny enough, it was being used ironically in this thread's case too ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #186

"Ironically" doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. That wasn't irony. Squinch May 2013 #204

You need to have your sacrasm sensor tested. nt Deep13 May 2013 #246

Succint and accurate. You and Egalitarian Thug summed it up well. redqueen May 2013 #159

thanks. nt Deep13 May 2013 #245

something a grandmother would say Kali May 2013 #156

I get the feeling you do not wish to "discuss" this idea at all. Common Sense Party May 2013 #161

Yeah, funny how that works with progressive ideas on a progressive board. redqueen May 2013 #165

I highly doubt that. Common Sense Party May 2013 #213

Appropriate when called for. MrSlayer May 2013 #162

Fuck that word. Solly Mack May 2013 #164

Wow, it's fascinating watching folks get riled up and go into attack mode MadrasT May 2013 #174

Right? redqueen May 2013 #176

Actually the people getting really riled up are the "fuck that word" posters. Nye Bevan May 2013 #177

There's a difference between a dismissal and being "riled up". Solly Mack May 2013 #189

So who exactly is getting riled up in the first place? Major Nikon May 2013 #203

You'll have to ask those who make claim that others are riled up. Solly Mack May 2013 #215

I understand what you mean now Major Nikon May 2013 #218

Not nearly as fascinating as watching a thinly disguised meta thread make it into GD. Warren DeMontague May 2013 #270

Veneer-thin. nt msanthrope May 2013 #272

I think it is a wonderful word... 99Forever May 2013 #181

It depends on how it's used meow2u3 May 2013 #183

Anyone who called me "unladylike"... bunnies May 2013 #184

newsflash, you found another word to add to the forbidden list quinnox May 2013 #193

Every edition of the Newspeak Dictionary is smaller than its predecessor..... (nt) Nye Bevan May 2013 #219

Well behaved women rarely make history Blue Owl May 2013 #201

Meh. Men still have to deal with outdated views on manliness. Codeine May 2013 #202

I have no problem with it whatsoever AgingAmerican May 2013 #205

I like to see threads like this because they demonstrate that the big battles have been won. Nye Bevan May 2013 #207

It is outrageous! Riftaxe May 2013 #212

"Women should never be held to civilized or polite behavior" sufrommich May 2013 #224

Like Todd Akin did? geek tragedy May 2013 #231

Liberals made fun of Todd Akin when he used it. geek tragedy May 2013 #220

We will never have true gender equality until RC May 2013 #237

"Ladylike" is not a reference to uteruses, but rather an attempt geek tragedy May 2013 #238

Best compliment anyone has ever paid me. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #223

use it with my daughters Niceguy1 May 2013 #226

How quaint. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #229

I think with 24 plus kids dead in OK, I really couldn't give a shit about this vanity post. nt msanthrope May 2013 #230

I was literally just reading your post in the "girls poop too" sufrommich May 2013 #233

Because there's a difference between a whine, and an attempt to lighten the mood. msanthrope May 2013 #236

Utter hypocritical bullshit. Pointing out that sufrommich May 2013 #239

You certainly do not have to accept my say-so. But you could be more classy with your language. nt msanthrope May 2013 #240

says the person chatting about poop- while wringing their hands everyone else isn't fundraising for bettyellen May 2013 #321

I must say that I expected better from you. nt msanthrope May 2013 #342

I'm sorry- I just don't get people coming into threads they think are dumb to tell other people bettyellen May 2013 #343

I generally go with JNelson6563 May 2013 #235

What the fuck does it matter Summer Hathaway May 2013 #243

the doors story is an invention BainsBane May 2013 #256

No.. it's not an invention... opiate69 May 2013 #262

Oh, really? Summer Hathaway May 2013 #269

Yes, there was a lot of discussion BainsBane May 2013 #274

As I always say Summer Hathaway May 2013 #276

You accused the OP of complaining about men opening doors BainsBane May 2013 #277

What I posted was Summer Hathaway May 2013 #280

Awesome post. polly7 May 2013 #288

the only posters expressing outrage Scout May 2013 #289

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2013 #290

My God... opiate69 May 2013 #298

Amazing people should devote so much of their own outrage BainsBane May 2013 #295

I see BainsBane May 2013 #294

A group is comprised of individuals. Summer Hathaway May 2013 #300

language is part of culture BainsBane May 2013 #302

Is it at all possible Summer Hathaway May 2013 #314

I'll take that as a no BainsBane May 2013 #315

It was most definitely a change of subject. Summer Hathaway May 2013 #318

also, I believe you are mistaken in thinking BainsBane May 2013 #303

"To insist a woman be ladylike ... Summer Hathaway May 2013 #312

Sounds to me like you have some important issues BainsBane May 2013 #313

I am concerned Summer Hathaway May 2013 #316

but you do very consistently "waste your time" - and ours- on telling people their interest in bettyellen May 2013 #319

Please point out Summer Hathaway May 2013 #322

"You'll be waiting" proof you waste your time... and berating others who are discussing language or bettyellen May 2013 #323

You made the accusation. Summer Hathaway May 2013 #324

change the topic? oh no, sweetheart it's ALL about how you waste loads of time bettyellen May 2013 #325

Still waiting. Summer Hathaway May 2013 #326

Cool, you stay there in this "trivial thread, and I'll be right back. bettyellen May 2013 #330

In other words ... Summer Hathaway May 2013 #334

Exactly- and it is not as if this wasn't explained clearly and directly before, yet the BS continues bettyellen May 2013 #293

I don't think about it at all. I don't give a shit about such trivial crap. HiPointDem May 2013 #247

Me neither, I wish I had the time to waste on trivia like this, not to mention that I have zero sabrina 1 May 2013 #339

I don't mind it really LittleBlue May 2013 #255

HUGE fan MannyGoldstein May 2013 #257

dare I sayeth, I think yon internete posteur may have used said particular phraseage in an effort Warren DeMontague May 2013 #271

I find it condescending and dismissive. Spider Jerusalem May 2013 #275

What about "unmanly" davidn3600 May 2013 #278

"Unmanly" isn't the equivalent of "unladylike". That would be "Ungentlemanly". sinkingfeeling May 2013 #287

don't forget the bitch/slut dichotomy ... this one seems more prevalent to me lately... Tuesday Afternoon May 2013 #296

Many, if not most of my sheroes have behaved most "unlady-like" me b zola May 2013 #297

Said it better than i could. alp227 May 2013 #317

This reminds me about the Jim Morrison story... cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #320

What needs to be discussed here? pinboy3niner May 2013 #327

Oh, just for the fun of it, Newest Reality May 2013 #328

I tell my cat she's being unladylike The Velveteen Ocelot May 2013 #331

That's the female version of "uppity" right? truebrit71 May 2013 #332

Perfectly good word, in Victorian literature, and acceptable until 1966. Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #333

I know a lot of older people who use that word... Jasana May 2013 #337

It's still being used against strong women. Beacool May 2013 #344

It's a word. Like table or rutabaga. nt rrneck May 2013 #345