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In reply to the discussion: Remember that woman in rural LA county who was killed by a pack of dogs last week? [View all]baldguy
(36,649 posts)189. And why are they wrong? Why is DogsBite a propaganda website?
Because they deliberately use misleading & inaccurate news reports and surveys based on visual identification only. That doesn't work, and here's the proof:
UF College of Veterinary Medicine Dog Breed Identification survey: What kind of dog is that?
http://sheltermedicine.vetmed.ufl.edu/library/research-studies/current-studies/dog-breeds/
We conducted a national survey of dog experts to compare their best guesses for the breeds of dogs in a series of photographs. These visual assessments were compared to DNA breed profiles for the dogs.
More than 5,000 dog experts, including breeders, trainers, groomers, veterinarians, shelter staff, rescuers, and others completed the survey.
Dog 02

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Labrador Retriever, 2-American Staffordshire Terrier, 3-No Predominant Breed, 4-Border Collie, 5-Pointer (includes English Pointer).
DNA Results: 50% Catahoula Leopard Dog, 25% Siberian Husky, 9.94% Briard, 5.07% Airedale Terrier
Dog 07

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Labrador Retriever, 2-American Staffordshire Terrier, 3-No Predominant Breed, 4-German Shepherd Dog, 5-Staffordshire Bull Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Irish Water Spaniel, 25% Siberian Husky, 25% Boston Terrier, 8.33% Bull Mastiff
Dog 08

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Boxer, 2-American Staffordshire Terrier, 3-Staffordshire Bull Terrier, 4-Greyhound, 5-No Predominant Breed
DNA Results: 25% Boxer, 25% Alaskan Malamute, 21.95% Sealyham Terrier, 19.67% Pointer
Dog 17

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-American Bulldog, 2-Dalmatian, 3-Labrador Retriever, 4-Boxer, 5-American Staffordshire Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Rottweiler, 12.5% Boxer, 12.5% German Shorthaired Pointer, 11.09% Manchester Terrier
Dog 22

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-No Predominant Breed, 2-German Shepherd Dog, 3-Boxer, 4-Catahoula Leopard Dog, 5-American Staffordshire Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Chow Chow, 12.5% German Shepherd, 12.5% Alaskan Malamute, 14.22% Cairn Terrier
Dog 33

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Border Collie, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Great Dane, 4-American Staffordshire Terrier, 5-Boston Terrier
DNA Results: 37.5% German Shepherd, 12.5% Rottweiler, 12.5% Weimeraner, 11.44% Irish terrier
Dog 36

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-American Staffordshire Terrier, 2-Labrador Retriever, 3-No Predominant Breed, 4-Beagle, 5-Staffordshire Bull Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Labrador Retriever, 25% Manchester Terrier, 25% Belgian Sheepdog, 12.5% Boston Terrier
Dog 47

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Rottweiler, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-American Staffordshire Terrier, 4-Plott Hound, 5-Labrador Retriever
DNA Results: 50% American Bulldog, 25% Rottweiler, 12.43% Neopolitan Mastiff, 8.11% Akita
Dog 54

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-American Staffordshire Terrier, 2-Boxer, 3-American Bulldog, 4-Staffordshire Bull Terrier, 5-No Predominant Breed
DNA Results: 25% Bulldog, 12.5% Mastiff, 12.5% Boxer, 10.42% Tibetan Mastiff
Dog 58

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Boxer, 2-Great Dane, 3-American Staffordshire Terrier, 4-American Bulldog, 5-Staffordshire Bull Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Boxer, 25% Entlebucher Mountain Dog, 25% German Spitz, 9.14% Golden Retriever
Dog 63

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-No Predominant Breed, 2-Boxer, 3-Foxhound (including American, English, Treeing Walker Coonhound), 4-Labrador Retriever, 5-American Staffordshire Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Bulldog, 12.5% Bullmastiff, 7.35% Basset Hound, 7.2% Keeshond
Dog 72

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-No Predominant Breed, 2-Vizsla, 3-Rhodesian Ridgeback, 4-Redbone Coonhound, 5-American Staffordshire Terrier
DNA Results: 25% American Bulldog, 25% Portuguese Water Dog, 25% Saluki, 1.99% Bichon Frise
Dog 79

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-No Predominant Breed, 2-American Staffordshire Terrier, 3-Boxer, 4-Beagle, 5-Collie
DNA Results: 25% Doberman Pinscher, 25% Wire Haired Dachshund, 12.5% Samoyed, 12.5% Miniature Schnauzer
Dog 88

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-American Bulldog, 2-American Staffordshire Terrier, 3-Boxer, 4-Dalmatian, 5-Argentine Dogo
DNA Results: 25% Plott Hound, 25% Boston Terrier, 25% German Spitz, 11.68% Saluki
Dog 89

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-American Staffordshire Terrier, 2-Rottweiler, 3-Staffordshire Bull Terrier, 4-American Bulldog, 5-Labrador Retriever
DNA Results: 25% Bulldog, 25% Boxer, 12.98% Blue Tick Coonhound, 10.9% Weimeraner
Dog 98

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-No Predominant Breed, 2-German Shepherd Dog, 3-Plott Hound, 4-Black and Tan Coonhound, 5-American Staffordshire Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Norwegian Elkhound, 25% Miniature Short Haired Dachshund, 14.38% Sealyham Terrier, 10.35% Dogue de Bordeaux
Dog 116

Survey Results, Top Responses:1-No Predominant Breed, 2-Chow Chow, 3-Basenji, 4-American Staffordshire Terrier, 5-Akita
DNA Results: 25% Chow Chow, 25% Catahoula Leopard Dog, 25% Dalmatian, 25% Scottish Terrier
http://sheltermedicine.vetmed.ufl.edu/library/research-studies/current-studies/dog-breeds/
We conducted a national survey of dog experts to compare their best guesses for the breeds of dogs in a series of photographs. These visual assessments were compared to DNA breed profiles for the dogs.
More than 5,000 dog experts, including breeders, trainers, groomers, veterinarians, shelter staff, rescuers, and others completed the survey.
Dog 02

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Labrador Retriever, 2-American Staffordshire Terrier, 3-No Predominant Breed, 4-Border Collie, 5-Pointer (includes English Pointer).
DNA Results: 50% Catahoula Leopard Dog, 25% Siberian Husky, 9.94% Briard, 5.07% Airedale Terrier
Dog 07

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Labrador Retriever, 2-American Staffordshire Terrier, 3-No Predominant Breed, 4-German Shepherd Dog, 5-Staffordshire Bull Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Irish Water Spaniel, 25% Siberian Husky, 25% Boston Terrier, 8.33% Bull Mastiff
Dog 08

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Boxer, 2-American Staffordshire Terrier, 3-Staffordshire Bull Terrier, 4-Greyhound, 5-No Predominant Breed
DNA Results: 25% Boxer, 25% Alaskan Malamute, 21.95% Sealyham Terrier, 19.67% Pointer
Dog 17

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-American Bulldog, 2-Dalmatian, 3-Labrador Retriever, 4-Boxer, 5-American Staffordshire Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Rottweiler, 12.5% Boxer, 12.5% German Shorthaired Pointer, 11.09% Manchester Terrier
Dog 22

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-No Predominant Breed, 2-German Shepherd Dog, 3-Boxer, 4-Catahoula Leopard Dog, 5-American Staffordshire Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Chow Chow, 12.5% German Shepherd, 12.5% Alaskan Malamute, 14.22% Cairn Terrier
Dog 33

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Border Collie, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Great Dane, 4-American Staffordshire Terrier, 5-Boston Terrier
DNA Results: 37.5% German Shepherd, 12.5% Rottweiler, 12.5% Weimeraner, 11.44% Irish terrier
Dog 36

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-American Staffordshire Terrier, 2-Labrador Retriever, 3-No Predominant Breed, 4-Beagle, 5-Staffordshire Bull Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Labrador Retriever, 25% Manchester Terrier, 25% Belgian Sheepdog, 12.5% Boston Terrier
Dog 47

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Rottweiler, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-American Staffordshire Terrier, 4-Plott Hound, 5-Labrador Retriever
DNA Results: 50% American Bulldog, 25% Rottweiler, 12.43% Neopolitan Mastiff, 8.11% Akita
Dog 54

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-American Staffordshire Terrier, 2-Boxer, 3-American Bulldog, 4-Staffordshire Bull Terrier, 5-No Predominant Breed
DNA Results: 25% Bulldog, 12.5% Mastiff, 12.5% Boxer, 10.42% Tibetan Mastiff
Dog 58

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Boxer, 2-Great Dane, 3-American Staffordshire Terrier, 4-American Bulldog, 5-Staffordshire Bull Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Boxer, 25% Entlebucher Mountain Dog, 25% German Spitz, 9.14% Golden Retriever
Dog 63

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-No Predominant Breed, 2-Boxer, 3-Foxhound (including American, English, Treeing Walker Coonhound), 4-Labrador Retriever, 5-American Staffordshire Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Bulldog, 12.5% Bullmastiff, 7.35% Basset Hound, 7.2% Keeshond
Dog 72

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-No Predominant Breed, 2-Vizsla, 3-Rhodesian Ridgeback, 4-Redbone Coonhound, 5-American Staffordshire Terrier
DNA Results: 25% American Bulldog, 25% Portuguese Water Dog, 25% Saluki, 1.99% Bichon Frise
Dog 79

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-No Predominant Breed, 2-American Staffordshire Terrier, 3-Boxer, 4-Beagle, 5-Collie
DNA Results: 25% Doberman Pinscher, 25% Wire Haired Dachshund, 12.5% Samoyed, 12.5% Miniature Schnauzer
Dog 88

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-American Bulldog, 2-American Staffordshire Terrier, 3-Boxer, 4-Dalmatian, 5-Argentine Dogo
DNA Results: 25% Plott Hound, 25% Boston Terrier, 25% German Spitz, 11.68% Saluki
Dog 89

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-American Staffordshire Terrier, 2-Rottweiler, 3-Staffordshire Bull Terrier, 4-American Bulldog, 5-Labrador Retriever
DNA Results: 25% Bulldog, 25% Boxer, 12.98% Blue Tick Coonhound, 10.9% Weimeraner
Dog 98

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-No Predominant Breed, 2-German Shepherd Dog, 3-Plott Hound, 4-Black and Tan Coonhound, 5-American Staffordshire Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Norwegian Elkhound, 25% Miniature Short Haired Dachshund, 14.38% Sealyham Terrier, 10.35% Dogue de Bordeaux
Dog 116

Survey Results, Top Responses:1-No Predominant Breed, 2-Chow Chow, 3-Basenji, 4-American Staffordshire Terrier, 5-Akita
DNA Results: 25% Chow Chow, 25% Catahoula Leopard Dog, 25% Dalmatian, 25% Scottish Terrier
You think there might be a problem with relying on visual identifications?
And if you think that pretty little puppy you got is safe from BSL laws, because there's no way in hell you'd get a Pit Bull, here's a bunch of Pit Bulls the professionals missed:
Dog 11

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Australian Cattle Dog, 2-Border Collie, 3-Corgi (including Cardigan, Pembroke), 4-No Predominant Breed, 5-Boston Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Australian Cattle Dog, 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 3.56% Bull Mastiff, 2.89% Newfoundland
Dog 13

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Border Collie, 2-German Shepherd Dog, 3-Basenji, 4-Great Dane, 5-Boston Terrier
DNA Results: 25% German Shepherd, 25% Staffordshire Bull Terrier, 13.36% Weimeraner, 7.29% German Wirehaired Pointer
Dog 57

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Labrador Retriever, 2-German Shepherd Dog, 3-No Predominant Breed, 4-Golden Retriever, 5-Anatolian Shepherd Dog
DNA Results: 5% Beauceron, 25% Siberian Husky, 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 12.73% Schipperke
Dog 62

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Schipperke, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Corgi (including Cardigan, Pembroke), 4-Basenji, 5-Australian Kelpie
DNA Results: 25% Chow Chow, 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 25% Siberian Husky, 13.71% Australian Terrier
Dog 68

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-German Shepherd Dog, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Rhodesian Ridgeback, 4-Anatolian Shepherd Dog, 5-Belgian Malinois
DNA Results: 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 25% French Bulldog, 25% American Foxhound, 22.13% Belgian Tervuren
Dog 83

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-German Shepherd Dog, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Catahoula Leopard Dog, 4-Greyhound, 5-Plott Hound
DNA Results: 25% Boxer, 25% Italian Greyhound, 25% Miniature Short Haired Dachshund, 8.41% Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Dog 99

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Labrador Retriever, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Pointer (includes English Pointer), 4-Brittany, 5-Foxhound (including American, English, Treeing Walker Coonhound)
DNA Results: 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 25% Collie, 21.41% Black Russian Terrier, 19.86% Norwegian Buhund
Dog 110

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Labrador Retriever, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Rhodesian Ridgeback, 4-Boxer, 5-German Shepherd Dog
DNA Results: 50% Staffordshire Bull Terrier, 25% Collie, 25% Small Munsterlander
Dog 111

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Basset Hound, 2-Clumber Spaniel, 3-Bulldog (English), 4-No Predominant Breed, 5-Beagle
DNA Results: 25% Basset Hound, 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 25% Chow Chow, 25% English Cocker Spanie
Dog 117

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Pharaoh Hound, 2-Ibizan Hound, 3-No Predominant Breed, 4-Basenji, 5-Great Dane
DNA Results: 50% American Bulldog, 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 9.28% Pembroke Welsh Corgi, 7.97% Irish Wolfhound

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Australian Cattle Dog, 2-Border Collie, 3-Corgi (including Cardigan, Pembroke), 4-No Predominant Breed, 5-Boston Terrier
DNA Results: 25% Australian Cattle Dog, 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 3.56% Bull Mastiff, 2.89% Newfoundland
Dog 13

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Border Collie, 2-German Shepherd Dog, 3-Basenji, 4-Great Dane, 5-Boston Terrier
DNA Results: 25% German Shepherd, 25% Staffordshire Bull Terrier, 13.36% Weimeraner, 7.29% German Wirehaired Pointer
Dog 57

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Labrador Retriever, 2-German Shepherd Dog, 3-No Predominant Breed, 4-Golden Retriever, 5-Anatolian Shepherd Dog
DNA Results: 5% Beauceron, 25% Siberian Husky, 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 12.73% Schipperke
Dog 62

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Schipperke, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Corgi (including Cardigan, Pembroke), 4-Basenji, 5-Australian Kelpie
DNA Results: 25% Chow Chow, 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 25% Siberian Husky, 13.71% Australian Terrier
Dog 68

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-German Shepherd Dog, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Rhodesian Ridgeback, 4-Anatolian Shepherd Dog, 5-Belgian Malinois
DNA Results: 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 25% French Bulldog, 25% American Foxhound, 22.13% Belgian Tervuren
Dog 83

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-German Shepherd Dog, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Catahoula Leopard Dog, 4-Greyhound, 5-Plott Hound
DNA Results: 25% Boxer, 25% Italian Greyhound, 25% Miniature Short Haired Dachshund, 8.41% Staffordshire Bull Terrier
Dog 99

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Labrador Retriever, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Pointer (includes English Pointer), 4-Brittany, 5-Foxhound (including American, English, Treeing Walker Coonhound)
DNA Results: 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 25% Collie, 21.41% Black Russian Terrier, 19.86% Norwegian Buhund
Dog 110

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Labrador Retriever, 2-No Predominant Breed, 3-Rhodesian Ridgeback, 4-Boxer, 5-German Shepherd Dog
DNA Results: 50% Staffordshire Bull Terrier, 25% Collie, 25% Small Munsterlander
Dog 111

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Basset Hound, 2-Clumber Spaniel, 3-Bulldog (English), 4-No Predominant Breed, 5-Beagle
DNA Results: 25% Basset Hound, 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 25% Chow Chow, 25% English Cocker Spanie
Dog 117

Survey Results, Top Responses: 1-Pharaoh Hound, 2-Ibizan Hound, 3-No Predominant Breed, 4-Basenji, 5-Great Dane
DNA Results: 50% American Bulldog, 25% American Staffordshire Terrier, 9.28% Pembroke Welsh Corgi, 7.97% Irish Wolfhound
Visual breed identification is 50-50 at best. (In the survey, the professionals got 43/100 wrong.) So, unless your BSL relies exclusively on DNA testing, it's going to make a lot of dogs illegal erroneously, it's going to miss a lot of Pit Bulls, and it's mostly going to do nothing to solve the problem with dog bites.
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Remember that woman in rural LA county who was killed by a pack of dogs last week? [View all]
baldguy
May 2013
OP
I was referring to the dogs owner of course. His occupation is irrelevant to what I would
ladjf
May 2013
#214
Exactly. The same if the drug dealer had shot her. It would be a people problem,
hughee99
May 2013
#60
Who were owned, trained, abused **AND ALLOWED TO ROAM THE NEIGHBORHOOD** by a drug dealer.
baldguy
May 2013
#88
I personally think re-posting something the jury hid should be bannable. By those measures, you'd be
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#124
If the jury hides your post and you repost it elsewhere, that's poor form. Any idiot can figure that
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#145
Because ther are a small minority of people on DU who want to eradicate Pit Bulls.
baldguy
May 2013
#28
Excellent point. And, the truth lies in the trends of deadly dog attacks, right?
Buzz Clik
May 2013
#5
I'd say that dogs have a lot more invested in instinct than people do. Not a good analogy, IMO.
randome
May 2013
#13
Of course you don't think it is a good analogy. Try:Black people needed to be kept as slaves because
uppityperson
May 2013
#17
And the oldest & **MOST IMPORTANT** purpose all dogs were bred for, starting from 30,000 yrs ago
baldguy
May 2013
#187
Because lions have never been domesticated. Dogs... (ALL dogs) come from domesticated stock.
TalkingDog
May 2013
#18
A dog is not a lion or a submarine. Marriage equality means people will marry their dogs so let's be
uppityperson
May 2013
#22
The dog haters "opinion" includes offering "solutions" to a problem which won't solve the problem.
baldguy
May 2013
#36
People can disagree, but passing breed specific legislation is wrong. Like being anti-choice on DU
uppityperson
May 2013
#20
Yes, you have a point about passing legislation. I understand the concern.
Sheldon Cooper
May 2013
#25
Advocating anti-choice legislation is not allowed. Trying to educate people about BSL is right
uppityperson
May 2013
#161
Do you make this same comment to all of the threads on the topic with which you agree?
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#47
He owns several. Or were you just talking those who can't handle the dog, in which case it fits
uppityperson
May 2013
#45
There's a subset of "banners", just like there's a subset of "the breed is innocenters"
maxsolomon
May 2013
#48
so the husband saying this make it "the truth" - perhaps someone is a bit too close to this issue
DrDan
May 2013
#72
You understand that is in context to fighting OTHER DOGS, not people, right?
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#98
Shocked that it took this long for someone to post a link to that bullshit site whose data has been
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#82
It's all been posted here on DU... again AD NAUSEUM. I am not your fucking research bitch.
PeaceNikki
May 2013
#130
DogBite.org is an anti-Pit Bull propaganda site. Anything from it is full of shit.
baldguy
May 2013
#96
Excellent! Finally someone addresses the size of a dog, thank you. I do not know how to enforce your
uppityperson
May 2013
#139
um... I really thought you were going to say that the dogs were not pit bulls
ecstatic
May 2013
#198
Splendid piece of satire, baldguy! You're giving graham4anything a run for his money.
Nimajneb Nilknarf
May 2013
#215