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Ms. Toad

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33. I was going by the parents' statement,
Tue May 21, 2013, 12:40 AM
May 2013

which referred to her as a 17 year old senior "As the summer of 2012 came to an end." Her 18th birthday would have been a few days before school started. The "14-year-old freshmen girl in Sebastian River High's IB program who played varsity sports and took classes with upper classmen."

Kaitlyn, on the other hand, was "a medical assistant training to join the nursing program." Kaitlyn's mother, from the narrative, I have read does not seem to me to be incredibly well educated.

The reason I mention these details is because they suggest to me that the 14 year old was more mature than average and the 18 year old less mature. In the high school years, there is a tremendous variation in maturity. As a general rule I'm not generally in favor of freshmen dating seniors and, as a general rule, I'm not in favor of at least high schools students being sexually active. But it happens, and I don't think it is a criminal matter unless there was force or coercion involved - which is a matter that ought to be sorted out in response to allegations by the one being forced, not something which is presumed as a matter of law because the older one happens to be 18. (And, it would not be presumed as a matter of law if the older one was 17 and the younger 13.)

Not all of the sex acts occurred at school, and the fact that the younger girl ran away from home at least once (from the affidavit) makes me wonder what was going on at home that she was running away from - and makes me wonder whether they were not using the parents to enforce control they were unable to impose.

My concern is not whether the relationship (or even all of the relationships) were ideal, but whether a relationship between two kids who were on the same sports team, in the same classes, and in the same peer groups, was coerced (those are the charges - statutory rape presumes coercion) and should be criminalized. I don't think those circumstances should result in an irrebuttable presumption of force (which is what the statute creates).

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I really wonder if the parents were stalking this woman. Initech May 2013 #1
the parents went to the police BainsBane May 2013 #2
Yeah. What I'm getting at is that something stinks in this story. Initech May 2013 #13
What they were *meant* for was to legally enforce virgin purity LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #3
FFS BainsBane May 2013 #4
WTF? LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #5
You said statutory rape laws were about enforcing virgin purity BainsBane May 2013 #6
It is true that these laws seem to be focused on the female davidn3600 May 2013 #7
I agree BainsBane May 2013 #8
1) you asked what they were for, I answered LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #10
the earliest laws set 10 as the age of consent BainsBane May 2013 #17
Of course they should LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #22
I disagree BainsBane May 2013 #23
Everyone has one or two of those experiences LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #25
Did you see the affidavit? BainsBane May 2013 #26
Juliet laws cover teens within a certain age range of each other LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #28
it's not always 3-4 years rebecca_herman May 2013 #30
I think it will be eventually LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #31
I disagree rebecca_herman May 2013 #32
I'm not going to snark. LadyHawkAZ May 2013 #44
Connecticut's law changed last year to allow a three year difference Throckmorton May 2013 #38
Well, darn rebecca_herman May 2013 #40
You mean 10? Sarcastically? BainsBane May 2013 #41
Post got stuck as a reply to wrong post rebecca_herman May 2013 #42
Oh, I see BainsBane May 2013 #43
"I answered". And that's where it all went sideways. n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #46
No - you are thinking of age of consent laws. Ms. Toad May 2013 #9
Attacks against GLBT people is just one of the recent uses. backscatter712 May 2013 #65
The story has gotten somewhat distorted Ms. Toad May 2013 #11
There's a problem with that. Xithras May 2013 #14
Another piece of the story - Ms. Toad May 2013 #15
I appreciate your clarification BainsBane May 2013 #18
yes, that's correct rebecca_herman May 2013 #20
Actually - Ms. Toad May 2013 #27
did you look at the affidavit? rebecca_herman May 2013 #29
I was going by the parents' statement, Ms. Toad May 2013 #33
Does not presume coercion Spike89 May 2013 #64
There's only one way to answer that. Xithras May 2013 #12
I posted this to someone else BainsBane May 2013 #19
Actually that is not correct Ms. Toad May 2013 #37
Cite? Xithras May 2013 #53
Colorado and Utah are both 10 Ms. Toad May 2013 #54
Honestly no. Xithras May 2013 #55
I don't think you spend much time around high school students. Ms. Toad May 2013 #57
I have two teenagers. Xithras May 2013 #58
Affidavit was released rebecca_herman May 2013 #16
Oh dear BainsBane May 2013 #21
Indeed rebecca_herman May 2013 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #34
Outrageous LittleBlue May 2013 #35
Read through the responses BainsBane May 2013 #36
Even if it's an 18-year-old LittleBlue May 2013 #39
That's not the point people are making davidn3600 May 2013 #45
There are different points of view expressed here BainsBane May 2013 #48
Not in a high school dating situation. Ms. Toad May 2013 #49
I certainly don't think the law should be applied unfairly BainsBane May 2013 #50
I just don't see high school kids dating each other Ms. Toad May 2013 #51
It's hard for me to say BainsBane May 2013 #59
Which is precisely why I don't think it should be a crime Ms. Toad May 2013 #61
I see your point BainsBane May 2013 #62
How common are they? roughrider101 May 2013 #67
They were quite common in the high school I taught in for 11 years. n/t Ms. Toad May 2013 #68
I think you have at least two overgeneralisations and an implicit error there. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #69
Very true, and thank goodness for the good people in Anonymous. n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #47
I don't really have sympathy for the older girl shawn703 May 2013 #52
You realize that in 31 states, the age of consent is at age 16? davidn3600 May 2013 #56
The 18yo would be destroying his/her own life shawn703 May 2013 #60
"If this was an 18-year-old male and a 14-year-old girl... it would be prosecuted in the same way." KamaAina May 2013 #63
She was 14 at the time of the "crime" Spike89 May 2013 #66
Nope. the younger girl was 14 the entire time and the older cali May 2013 #70
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