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caseymoz

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13. I had thought . . .
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:34 AM
May 2013

. . . tornadoes were the result of updrafts. That you then have a rain of debris elsewhere. I have heard of debris raining down after a tornado. One theory I heard was that the swirling motion starts when an updraft pierces through an air inversion and starts the swirling motion aloft. This is consistent with the wall-cloud effect.

If it were driven by the downdrafts, you would, I think, have ice and hail sprayed out of the bottom of the vortex. You should see a trail of large hail and cold rain that was sprayed like a fire hose from the bottom of the vortex. That's not what's seen. What we see is the funnel in one place and the hail in another. This suggests that the updrafts are what we find within the funnel and the downdrafts are found where the hail comes down.

Another thing, if the funnel is started by a downdraft preceding the updraft, people on the ground should notice that downdraft building.

When you say that the air below rushes up to fill the low pressure, I must point out, the air above is already at a lower pressure in every situation. This should preclude the air above forcing itself into a downdraft below. Therefore, the air above can't actually start the process. The updraft can. So, it seems to me, it would be a matter of an updraft and an inversion aloft.

I would be careful about judging the process by the aftermath. A tornado is a chaotic situation, which leads to a lot of counter-intuitive results. A cautionary tale would be forensics investigators and arson. Recently, laboratory science has proved that many presumptions forensics experts made in investigating fires were incorrect, and this led to innocent people going to prison.

You're not going to have a situation like that misjudging the origins of tornadoes, but the lesson applies that human intuition is often a poor guide as to the results of a turbulent, chaotic phenomenon. You can't put together the anatomy of a tornado from the wreckage you find afterward.

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Alternate theory on Tornado winds [View all] RobertEarl May 2013 OP
Downdraft? More like an updraft Warpy May 2013 #1
That is true, seemingly RobertEarl May 2013 #4
Newtons third law doesn't necessarily mean what it appears you are arguing. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #5
I don't agree RobertEarl May 2013 #9
Wind direction in storms can be incredibly complex and make abrupt changes. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #10
No RobertEarl May 2013 #12
Tornadoes and thunderstorms with cells that gain rotation are usually accompanied by shear forces CreekDog May 2013 #25
Yeah, I don't understand very well the physics involved with tornadoes or thunderstorms. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #26
Definitely an updraft. knitter4democracy May 2013 #18
"The Day After Tomorrow" was a documentary. nt DCKit May 2013 #2
Except not really. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #7
The Day After Tomorrow was a sci-fi film. RebelOne May 2013 #23
Your theory doesn't explain microbursts not creating tornadoes in other parts of the world. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #3
I had considered that RobertEarl May 2013 #6
Microbursts can be very narrow and well structured. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #11
funny you mention Arizona because subsidence there is a result of lifting in equatorial zones CreekDog May 2013 #27
Sounds interesting, at least. n/t AverageJoe90 May 2013 #8
I had thought . . . caseymoz May 2013 #13
As a storm chaser... gadjitfreek May 2013 #14
+1 nt laundry_queen May 2013 #15
+1, thank you for the complete description. caseymoz May 2013 #20
I got started ten years ago... gadjitfreek May 2013 #22
You are a teacher? RobertEarl May 2013 #29
Most importantly, can we blow it up with nuclear bombs? MattBaggins May 2013 #16
IMO, on the ground we need dome shaped roofs with a channel venting system to equalize air pressure CK_John May 2013 #17
Despite popular belief . . . caseymoz May 2013 #21
Try this. BadgerKid May 2013 #19
The 2003 (6/24, Manchester SD) F4 tornado gadjitfreek May 2013 #24
A Theory just us May 2013 #28
Watching the videos it becomes clear RobertEarl May 2013 #30
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