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riqster

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14. Neither logical nor humane

Tue May 21, 2013, 10:49 AM

May 2013

On the logic side, your opinion (which I have encountered before) rests upon the premise that people are completely free to leave their red or purple states and move to a blue state: therefore, anyone who stays in a red or purple state deserves what happens to them. As with any logical construct , the best way to determine validity is to examine the premise, and your fails to pass muster.

We could also argue by analogy: using your 'logic', women who get raped deserve what they get, because they shouldn't live near rapists: since they choose to live hear rapists, you'd say, they should get raped so as to learn a lesson. This pretty obviously fails as well.

But since anyone from anywhere who advocates the killing of children for political gain is an illogical, inhumane monster, I don't expect to reach you. Keep in mind that Stalin and Hitler also advocated the killing of innocents in order to achieve their political ends.

The only differences between you and those two figures are labels and degrees.

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Senators and Congresscritters Deserve to Suffer. But Their Constituents Don’t. [View all] riqster May 2013 OP

To be fair, it's be*cause* of their constituents that those Senators and Congresscritters are in BlueCaliDem May 2013 #1

So any Oklahoma Democrats should be left to live in a ditch? riqster May 2013 #2

It's apparent that being a Democrat in Oklahoma is a lost cause. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #3

Their kids didn't though. Jennicut May 2013 #4

CT votes Democratic because they believe that Government has a role to play - BlueCaliDem May 2013 #13

You would make children suffer for the deeds of adults. riqster May 2013 #6

These same clowns voted against Sandy funding and didn't give a shit about the children BlueCaliDem May 2013 #15

The innocent children did NOT vote against that aid. riqster May 2013 #20

No. But their parents consistently do. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #23

No, you're not. riqster May 2013 #29

Yes, I am because I believe in a democracy, i.e., the majority rules. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #57

No, your "solution" deliberately kills innocent kids. riqster May 2013 #72

Bullshit. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #78

If the action you propose taking is one that would harm the innocent, then you're harming them riqster May 2013 #125

plicitly advocating maintaining same level of harm, denying aid, and rationalizing that spite... LanternWaste May 2013 #121

the parents of the children would not accept any aid, would they treestar May 2013 #101

LOL! riqster May 2013 #104

the last time they had a democratic governor was about two years ago fishwax May 2013 #55

Yes, I read where Oklahomans vote statewide for conservative Democrats, but BlueCaliDem May 2013 #60

it's definitely a conservative state, but dems there aren't a lost cause fishwax May 2013 #64

In state politics, maybe not, but it appears they are on the Fed level. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #66

That attitude will certainly help! AndyA May 2013 #105

Cherry-picking your information doesn't help Democrats, either. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #134

I'm not ignoring the changes in Oklahoma politics--I live here and see it happening AndyA May 2013 #144

No, and the Nazis have nothing to do with this treestar May 2013 #99

Seriously? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #5

Yes. Really. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #8

How thoroughly enlightened of you. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #9

Thank you Tommy. eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #16

Psst..... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #17

Psst... BlueCaliDem May 2013 #25

Might want to swallow this truth.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #30

+1 nt riqster May 2013 #33

Tell that to the Republicans. Not me. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #45

Your attitude towards your fellow countrymen is very Republican. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #47

No. I'm tired of being an enabler something you still want to be with all your compassionate heart. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #52

You're lumping millions of people in as a single unit and collectively calling them deadbeats. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #53

Where in any of my posts did I call those "millions of people" deadbeats?? BlueCaliDem May 2013 #63

You called Oklahoma a "ward" state. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #65

It IS a ward state - a state that takes in more Fed dollars than it sends. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #69

You drew a clear distinction: Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #76

Maybe, but I didn't call Oklahomans "deadbeats". That's *your* hyperbolic response. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #90

Again, you've made every insinuation to that extent. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #139

It's your perceived insinuation, and that's sad. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #150

What's sad is that you are openly advocating denying suffering people disaster relief aid. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #151

Being a Republican enabler is what's tragic. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #155

How the hell is not wanting to play politics with disaster relief aid "enabling"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #158

Ridiculous! It is not collective punishment! It is the law! treestar May 2013 #102

Yes, but these "eggs" are innocent children riqster May 2013 #32

And what has being enlightened ever done? atreides1 May 2013 #39

What do you do? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #42

No you do not. Occulus May 2013 #152

Bull to the Fucking Shit. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Occulus May 2013 #160

And this is why it's so frustrating to me. How can they not see that the political party BlueCaliDem May 2013 #95

Neither logical nor humane riqster May 2013 #14

In your zeal to play Ghandi, you're overlooking the premise of my post. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #21

No, I already debunked the underlying premise of your post. riqster May 2013 #38

Well, maybe in your head, but not in this discussion. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #70

No, I addressed your premise quite directly. riqster May 2013 #79

Congratulations, you helped make DU suck a little bit today. Nice work! 11 Bravo May 2013 #31

This cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #37

Don't worry. Your opinion won't have me lose sleep. eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #71

I neither thought it would nor care if it does. But trust me, Sparky ... 11 Bravo May 2013 #75

Then you know how I feel about your opinion. Good! BlueCaliDem May 2013 #93

Interestingly enough, Lurker Dave May 2013 #131

what might work is if the California delegation block the relief vote until Doctor_J May 2013 #164

So punish children, punish the elderly, punish the disabled , etc. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #12

No. It's not right. That's why I don't vote Republican BlueCaliDem May 2013 #28

So, I guess if we opened up your chest, there would be no heart in it.... cynatnite May 2013 #22

Of course there is! I'm a Progressive after all. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #35

Their vote doesn't determine how far my compassion goes. n/t cynatnite May 2013 #40

No, but their vote should determine how they want to live. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #119

I am quite certain you have no idea what the word progressive means CBGLuthier May 2013 #126

And you'd be wrong. eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #159

Did the elected Oklahoma senators and representatives vote against Sandy aid? I don't byeya May 2013 #7

Both Senators did. riqster May 2013 #10

There are people on the left and right.... NCTraveler May 2013 #11

We as liberals should not follow their behavior Jennicut May 2013 #18

I am fully with you on that. NCTraveler May 2013 #26

The question is whether one buys into the "we're all Americans geek tragedy May 2013 #19

Define "they" riqster May 2013 #24

The people of Oklahoma overwhelmingly support cruelty geek tragedy May 2013 #27

Yes, but they should get it in the end. riqster May 2013 #34

They should get it, but only after humbling themselves, nt geek tragedy May 2013 #36

How exactly do storm victims "humble themselves"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #41

Their elected representatives need to do it on their behalf. geek tragedy May 2013 #43

On this particular issue, elected representatives are irrelevant to me. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #44

Inhofe/Coburn=typical Oklahomans. geek tragedy May 2013 #46

Neither Senator Inhofe nor Senator Coburn were personally impacted by the storm as far as I know. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #48

They exemplify the values of Oklahomans, nt geek tragedy May 2013 #49

That's one hell of a broad brush. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #51

. geek tragedy May 2013 #58

I. Don't. Care. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #61

Yes, and when there were scenes like this: geek tragedy May 2013 #67

Who told you to "drop dead"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #68

Inhofe and Coburn, who enjoy overwhelming support in OK. geek tragedy May 2013 #73

Well take it up with them individually. Send them an email, a letter, a phone call. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #77

No, I'm saying they have to play by the same rules geek tragedy May 2013 #81

WELL DE-POLITICIZE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #82

too fucking late. It's political when blue state voters need it. that's geek tragedy May 2013 #83

Sure. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #87

They have an opportunity to recant their previous attempt to politicize disaster aid. geek tragedy May 2013 #88

"They" as in who? Coburn/Inhofe, or ordinary Oklahomans? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #136

So, when Infhofe and Coburn insist on cuts to Medicaid and geek tragedy May 2013 #137

Has that even been proposed as that relates to the Oklahoma tornado? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #140

For some time now the Republicans have tried to use disasters geek tragedy May 2013 #141

Let them be assholes. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #142

If they insist on offsets, there's no way to depoliticize. geek tragedy May 2013 #145

They tried it with Sandy. It failed. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #146

As it turns out, Hal Rogers just said geek tragedy May 2013 #147

The thread title says it all. riqster May 2013 #84

We'll see how they act. geek tragedy May 2013 #85

You won't hurt the Senators or Congresscritters one bit with that course of action. riqster May 2013 #89

It is of the utmost necessity that we not allow them to get away with imposing geek tragedy May 2013 #92

Political warfare is one thing. riqster May 2013 #94

We have to prevent our own from being their collateral damage. geek tragedy May 2013 #96

No argument there. riqster May 2013 #97

We must insist on red states and blue states playing by the same set of geek tragedy May 2013 #98

Of course. riqster May 2013 #103

They are guaranteed re-election in Oklahoma absent a showing geek tragedy May 2013 #106

We're almost in agreement` riqster May 2013 #107

Here's the rub: they may insist on spending cuts to geek tragedy May 2013 #109

And make sure everyone knows that it is the Reeps who held up the aid. riqster May 2013 #111

Yep. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #113

how do senators and congress critters become senators and congress critters? La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #50

A majority does not = 100% riqster May 2013 #54

And even for those who didn't vote my way, it doesn't matter. I want to see them helped. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #56

Oh, agreed. riqster May 2013 #91

I wish we had a way to withhold aid from the anti-gubmint, racist, Obama-hating, kestrel91316 May 2013 #59

Because that will make them like liberals so much more. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #62

Sort of reminds me of people who support the embargo against Cuba Daniel537 May 2013 #110

Or from anyone whoever wished to "withold aid" from anyone who needed aid... egduj May 2013 #100

I can figure it out easily, the term is "hypocrisy" Corruption Inc May 2013 #165

Well, those constituents voted for those politicians. Apophis May 2013 #74

No victims of any disaster need to suffer more than they already have. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #80

SOME of "those constituents voted for those politicians". riqster May 2013 #86

Most* Apophis May 2013 #143

All due respect, but it isn't most. It's a majority of a minority. riqster May 2013 #148

I don't react to sensationalism. Apophis May 2013 #149

Granted. And what part of that is the kids' fault? Or that of those who voted Dem? riqster May 2013 #153

Some really creepy Stalin-esque comments on this thread Daniel537 May 2013 #108

That's why I wrote the OP. riqster May 2013 #114

I'm sure its going completely over their head Daniel537 May 2013 #124

Some of them deny that they are thinking that way. riqster May 2013 #127

Completely disagree. sofa king May 2013 #112

Children did not vote to send them to DC. riqster May 2013 #116

So what? jeff47 May 2013 #129

If the only way to end the cycle is by killing kids riqster May 2013 #130

So we should just accept when they want to kill our kids? jeff47 May 2013 #132

Tit-for-tat is not a political strategy. It's just emotional garbage. riqster May 2013 #133

I did address it. jeff47 May 2013 #135

"Supposedly" says it all. riqster May 2013 #138

I appreciate your Curtis Mayfield moment. sofa king May 2013 #188

Is this thread for real ?? shame, shame. nt clarice May 2013 #115

Their attitudes are neither liberal or progressive Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #122

My thoughts exactly. Thanks Puzz. nt clarice May 2013 #123

Nope. Not even a little bit. Zoeisright May 2013 #117

So what about the many people (dems, children, etc.) who did not vote for the Reeps? riqster May 2013 #118

Yeh, that's really low, to wish more harm on innocent people Whisp May 2013 #120

Maybe it says something negative about me, but riqster May 2013 #128

they speak for their constituents when they utter their malignant Doctor_J May 2013 #156

How very nice. riqster May 2013 #157

so is rewarding treason Doctor_J May 2013 #161

I've said it several times already on this thread riqster May 2013 #162

Well, if the media were reversed, this would be well and good Doctor_J May 2013 #166

So what is your solution? What would you do? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #168

The president and/or Reid should call a caucus meeting. The Dems would announce Doctor_J May 2013 #170

So you want to play politics with disaster aid? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #171

You and the rest of the appeasers just don't get it Doctor_J May 2013 #173

Hopefully electoral defeat for Inhofe and Coburn. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #176

THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN Doctor_J May 2013 #179

So let's just deny disaster relief aid to people who've lost their houses. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #180

Coburn already did that. He wants tax cuts to go with the aid to starving children Doctor_J May 2013 #175

So that means we have to do it too? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #177

Only if we want to make some progress against the teabaggers Doctor_J May 2013 #181

Who is "them"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #182

The teabaggers and other traitors in the government, and their voters and propagandists. Doctor_J May 2013 #183

So no Democrats lost their homes yesterday? nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #184

By denying starving children aid? riqster May 2013 #169

Actions and elections have consequences Doctor_J May 2013 #174

Who the fuck cares? It's disaster relief aid for people who've lost their houses. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #178

So you are OK with letting the innocent suffer riqster May 2013 #185

And you want to give billions of tax dollars to traitors, hate mongers, and pigs Doctor_J May 2013 #186

No, I want the money to go to the needy. riqster May 2013 #187

I'm of the opinion that should one's political ideology become such LanternWaste May 2013 #163

Well said! riqster May 2013 #167

What an excellent bromide Doctor_J May 2013 #172