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baldguy

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20. False equivalency. You're much more likely to survive a dog bite than a gunshot wound.
Tue May 21, 2013, 03:37 PM
May 2013

Last edited Tue May 21, 2013, 04:42 PM - Edit history (1)

And your premise that there has been a dramatic increase in dog bites is false. According to your primary source: From 1979 through 1994, attacks by dogs resulted in 279 deaths of humans in the United States. That's an average of 18.6 per year. From 1995-1996, there were an additional 22. Before that, they simply weren't reported in the news media. Per the old adage, dog bites and dog bite deaths were not considered of interest.

Another issue is that "dog bites" are often misreported: http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dogbites/whatisadogbite/

“What is a dog bite?”: the question seems simple enough. Most of us would describe a dog bite as an incident where a dog deliberately inflicts an injury to a person. However, animal control and public health departments consider any incident in which a dog's tooth or nail breaks a person's skin - regardless of the circumstances or any characterization of the dog's intention - to be an animal exposure that merits their notice.

Based on this definition, animal control and public health departments classify all of the following types of animal exposures as dog bites:

Nips from playful puppies.

Scratches from a dog's nail.

Scrapes from a dog's tooth.

Accidental bites by dogs.

• Bites from injured or ill dogs receiving assistance or comfort from Good Samaritans (e.g. dogs hit by cars).

• Bites by working K-9 dogs delivered in the performance of police duties.

• Bites delivered to canine professionals such as veterinarians. These may have occurred under extreme duress, such as if the dog was in pain or otherwise unable to control its behavior. (e.g. a vet tech bitten while removing intubation tube from a dog's throat)


Also:

There is no national system in the United States for tallying reports of dog bites. The often-repeated estimates currently cited to argue that there is still a dog bite "epidemic" derive from two telephone surveys conducted to assess a wide variety of injury risk factors and injuries. The first survey was conducted in 1994. From among the 5,328 persons who responded to this survey, interviewers obtained reports of 186 dog bites participants reported had occurred within the 12 months prior to the interview. (Only 38 of the 186 bitten sought medical attention). The second survey, conducted between July 2001 and February 2003, returned a result showing that dog bites had declined overall, and had declined significantly among children.[iv]




And given that your info is based on nothing but news reports, it is incomplete, flawed & inaccurate. And the fact that you reference well-known propaganda sites in your OP casts your numbers into question also. It's surprising you didn't include the NRA in your gun statistics.


As to the issue of what can be done, It's not rocket science. Make the people who are supposed to be responsible act responsibly:

To reduce gun related injuries & deaths:
-Register all guns
-License all gun owners with national licensing standards
-Ban extended clips
-Ban assault weapons
-Every purchase requires a background check
-If you've been convicted of a felony you are prohibited from owning any gun
-Attempting to sell a gun to a gun to someone you know is prohibited should be a felony.

To reduce dog bite related injuries & deaths (surprisingly similar):
-License all dog owners & require training to get the license
-Register all dogs
-Require that the owner trains & socializes the dog to get a valid registration
-Require that the dog be spayed or neutered
-Breeders would be licensed differently, with more stringent requirements
-People would be prohibited from training privately owned dogs to attack humans
-Animal abuse should be treated the same as any assault on a human, with real jail time
-Abusers would be financially reasonable for rehabilitating the animal they abused
-Abusers would be prohibited from owning or supervising any animals.
-And if, after professional training & rehabilitation the animal still can't be rehabilitated, the abuser would be financially responsible for putting them down

in addition:
-Animal control officers should have all the same official powers as other police officers.
-Breed bans & breed specific legislation should be eliminated.

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False equivalency. Zoeisright May 2013 #1
I'm not equating guns and dogs. Nine May 2013 #2
There are 20-30 accidental gun deaths for every dog bite death. geek tragedy May 2013 #5
I don't think fatalities is the only measure of severity. Nine May 2013 #8
If more people die in car accidents than die in accidental drownings XemaSab May 2013 #51
Who let the dogs out !. nt clarice May 2013 #3
Your headline is blatantly false geek tragedy May 2013 #4
I said "deaths AND serious injuries." Nine May 2013 #6
It's true of 'serious' injuries, but not of deaths. geek tragedy May 2013 #7
whether or not the headline is false, it does bury the actual issue booley May 2013 #9
And, they don't discuss lost limbs, paralysis, and other geek tragedy May 2013 #10
Any time anything is compared to gun deaths gollygee May 2013 #11
Gun accidents alone cause 20-30 times as many deaths geek tragedy May 2013 #15
didn't brietbart try this with hammers and rifles? booley May 2013 #48
Perhaps it might be better to take off the other subject and concentrate on the dogs. Xyzse May 2013 #12
It's not the breed that's the problem, it's the human. baldguy May 2013 #38
I agree. Xyzse May 2013 #44
It's also the fact dogs are alive booley May 2013 #49
Agreed. Xyzse May 2013 #50
It must hurt like hell trying to cram a size 8 foot into a size 5 shoe..but, I will agree, they are Tikki May 2013 #13
Are people really going to even deny that we have a DOG attack problem? Nine May 2013 #14
You are "not talkingabout breeds" yet your op is about "certain kinds of dogs". uppityperson May 2013 #25
I didn't want this thread to devolve into the same old pit bull threads everyone has seen before. Nine May 2013 #47
What we have is a problem with people not being responsable. baldguy May 2013 #39
Why do you hate dogs? nt FLyellowdog May 2013 #16
Why don't you care about the dogs attacked by other dogs? (nt) Nine May 2013 #17
Two words.... FLyellowdog May 2013 #19
It looks like this breed fad parallels that of the rise of the SUV and Hummer ErikJ May 2013 #18
False equivalency. You're much more likely to survive a dog bite than a gunshot wound. baldguy May 2013 #20
Non-issue Daemonaquila May 2013 #21
Your compassion is overwhelming. Nine May 2013 #34
I had to see the doctor 4 times from cat bites/claws hollysmom May 2013 #22
Were you hospitalized for it? Nine May 2013 #23
no, but I still have the scars hollysmom May 2013 #24
Hospitalization does not mean you simply walked into an ER. Nine May 2013 #28
I get it, but don't think these cat attacks were piddling hollysmom May 2013 #37
Dogs can usually do a hell of a lot more damage than cats, though. Arugula Latte May 2013 #26
My dog draws blood all the time from me hollysmom May 2013 #27
She's tenderizing you. Orrex May 2013 #35
Lol. Arugula Latte May 2013 #36
thanks, now I am scared!!!! hollysmom May 2013 #40
Almost 7000 people are shot accidentally annually? Wow! jmg257 May 2013 #29
and the reason is: the increasingly shitty economy. HiPointDem May 2013 #30
1% of dog bite victims are hospitalized while 5-10% of cat bite victims are REP May 2013 #31
Whenever celebs jump on a "cause" like baby munching dogs galileoreloaded May 2013 #32
That's why lawyers are dog lovers. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #33
Hence the rise of malicious litigation websites like DogsBite.org and DogBiteLaw.com. baldguy May 2013 #41
What makes them "malicious"? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2013 #42
They're sensationalistic, they lie, they use inaccurate & outdated research baldguy May 2013 #43
How would people feel about dog owners being required to carry liability insurance, same as drivers? Nine May 2013 #45
I think the dog humpers would have a figurative cow when the all the landlords say "no pets". galileoreloaded May 2013 #46
easy... thats because Celldweller May 2013 #52
Heh. Well almost no one else seems to have any ideas they want to share. Nine May 2013 #53
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