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145. If they insist on offsets, there's no way to depoliticize.

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Tue May 21, 2013, 02:45 PM

May 2013

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Senators and Congresscritters Deserve to Suffer. But Their Constituents Don’t. [View all] riqster May 2013 OP

To be fair, it's be*cause* of their constituents that those Senators and Congresscritters are in BlueCaliDem May 2013 #1

So any Oklahoma Democrats should be left to live in a ditch? riqster May 2013 #2

It's apparent that being a Democrat in Oklahoma is a lost cause. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #3

Their kids didn't though. Jennicut May 2013 #4

CT votes Democratic because they believe that Government has a role to play - BlueCaliDem May 2013 #13

You would make children suffer for the deeds of adults. riqster May 2013 #6

These same clowns voted against Sandy funding and didn't give a shit about the children BlueCaliDem May 2013 #15

The innocent children did NOT vote against that aid. riqster May 2013 #20

No. But their parents consistently do. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #23

No, you're not. riqster May 2013 #29

Yes, I am because I believe in a democracy, i.e., the majority rules. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #57

No, your "solution" deliberately kills innocent kids. riqster May 2013 #72

Bullshit. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #78

If the action you propose taking is one that would harm the innocent, then you're harming them riqster May 2013 #125

plicitly advocating maintaining same level of harm, denying aid, and rationalizing that spite... LanternWaste May 2013 #121

the parents of the children would not accept any aid, would they treestar May 2013 #101

LOL! riqster May 2013 #104

the last time they had a democratic governor was about two years ago fishwax May 2013 #55

Yes, I read where Oklahomans vote statewide for conservative Democrats, but BlueCaliDem May 2013 #60

it's definitely a conservative state, but dems there aren't a lost cause fishwax May 2013 #64

In state politics, maybe not, but it appears they are on the Fed level. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #66

That attitude will certainly help! AndyA May 2013 #105

Cherry-picking your information doesn't help Democrats, either. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #134

I'm not ignoring the changes in Oklahoma politics--I live here and see it happening AndyA May 2013 #144

No, and the Nazis have nothing to do with this treestar May 2013 #99

Seriously? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #5

Yes. Really. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #8

How thoroughly enlightened of you. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #9

Thank you Tommy. eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #16

Psst..... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #17

Psst... BlueCaliDem May 2013 #25

Might want to swallow this truth.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #30

+1 nt riqster May 2013 #33

Tell that to the Republicans. Not me. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #45

Your attitude towards your fellow countrymen is very Republican. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #47

No. I'm tired of being an enabler something you still want to be with all your compassionate heart. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #52

You're lumping millions of people in as a single unit and collectively calling them deadbeats. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #53

Where in any of my posts did I call those "millions of people" deadbeats?? BlueCaliDem May 2013 #63

You called Oklahoma a "ward" state. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #65

It IS a ward state - a state that takes in more Fed dollars than it sends. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #69

You drew a clear distinction: Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #76

Maybe, but I didn't call Oklahomans "deadbeats". That's *your* hyperbolic response. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #90

Again, you've made every insinuation to that extent. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #139

It's your perceived insinuation, and that's sad. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #150

What's sad is that you are openly advocating denying suffering people disaster relief aid. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #151

Being a Republican enabler is what's tragic. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #155

How the hell is not wanting to play politics with disaster relief aid "enabling"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #158

Ridiculous! It is not collective punishment! It is the law! treestar May 2013 #102

Yes, but these "eggs" are innocent children riqster May 2013 #32

And what has being enlightened ever done? atreides1 May 2013 #39

What do you do? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #42

No you do not. Occulus May 2013 #152

Bull to the Fucking Shit. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Occulus May 2013 #160

And this is why it's so frustrating to me. How can they not see that the political party BlueCaliDem May 2013 #95

Neither logical nor humane riqster May 2013 #14

In your zeal to play Ghandi, you're overlooking the premise of my post. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #21

No, I already debunked the underlying premise of your post. riqster May 2013 #38

Well, maybe in your head, but not in this discussion. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #70

No, I addressed your premise quite directly. riqster May 2013 #79

Congratulations, you helped make DU suck a little bit today. Nice work! 11 Bravo May 2013 #31

This cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #37

Don't worry. Your opinion won't have me lose sleep. eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #71

I neither thought it would nor care if it does. But trust me, Sparky ... 11 Bravo May 2013 #75

Then you know how I feel about your opinion. Good! BlueCaliDem May 2013 #93

Interestingly enough, Lurker Dave May 2013 #131

what might work is if the California delegation block the relief vote until Doctor_J May 2013 #164

So punish children, punish the elderly, punish the disabled , etc. Lady Freedom Returns May 2013 #12

No. It's not right. That's why I don't vote Republican BlueCaliDem May 2013 #28

So, I guess if we opened up your chest, there would be no heart in it.... cynatnite May 2013 #22

Of course there is! I'm a Progressive after all. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #35

Their vote doesn't determine how far my compassion goes. n/t cynatnite May 2013 #40

No, but their vote should determine how they want to live. BlueCaliDem May 2013 #119

I am quite certain you have no idea what the word progressive means CBGLuthier May 2013 #126

And you'd be wrong. eom BlueCaliDem May 2013 #159

Did the elected Oklahoma senators and representatives vote against Sandy aid? I don't byeya May 2013 #7

Both Senators did. riqster May 2013 #10

There are people on the left and right.... NCTraveler May 2013 #11

We as liberals should not follow their behavior Jennicut May 2013 #18

I am fully with you on that. NCTraveler May 2013 #26

The question is whether one buys into the "we're all Americans geek tragedy May 2013 #19

Define "they" riqster May 2013 #24

The people of Oklahoma overwhelmingly support cruelty geek tragedy May 2013 #27

Yes, but they should get it in the end. riqster May 2013 #34

They should get it, but only after humbling themselves, nt geek tragedy May 2013 #36

How exactly do storm victims "humble themselves"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #41

Their elected representatives need to do it on their behalf. geek tragedy May 2013 #43

On this particular issue, elected representatives are irrelevant to me. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #44

Inhofe/Coburn=typical Oklahomans. geek tragedy May 2013 #46

Neither Senator Inhofe nor Senator Coburn were personally impacted by the storm as far as I know. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #48

They exemplify the values of Oklahomans, nt geek tragedy May 2013 #49

That's one hell of a broad brush. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #51

. geek tragedy May 2013 #58

I. Don't. Care. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #61

Yes, and when there were scenes like this: geek tragedy May 2013 #67

Who told you to "drop dead"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #68

Inhofe and Coburn, who enjoy overwhelming support in OK. geek tragedy May 2013 #73

Well take it up with them individually. Send them an email, a letter, a phone call. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #77

No, I'm saying they have to play by the same rules geek tragedy May 2013 #81

WELL DE-POLITICIZE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #82

too fucking late. It's political when blue state voters need it. that's geek tragedy May 2013 #83

Sure. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #87

They have an opportunity to recant their previous attempt to politicize disaster aid. geek tragedy May 2013 #88

"They" as in who? Coburn/Inhofe, or ordinary Oklahomans? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #136

So, when Infhofe and Coburn insist on cuts to Medicaid and geek tragedy May 2013 #137

Has that even been proposed as that relates to the Oklahoma tornado? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #140

For some time now the Republicans have tried to use disasters geek tragedy May 2013 #141

Let them be assholes. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #142

If they insist on offsets, there's no way to depoliticize. geek tragedy May 2013 #145

They tried it with Sandy. It failed. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #146

As it turns out, Hal Rogers just said geek tragedy May 2013 #147

The thread title says it all. riqster May 2013 #84

We'll see how they act. geek tragedy May 2013 #85

You won't hurt the Senators or Congresscritters one bit with that course of action. riqster May 2013 #89

It is of the utmost necessity that we not allow them to get away with imposing geek tragedy May 2013 #92

Political warfare is one thing. riqster May 2013 #94

We have to prevent our own from being their collateral damage. geek tragedy May 2013 #96

No argument there. riqster May 2013 #97

We must insist on red states and blue states playing by the same set of geek tragedy May 2013 #98

Of course. riqster May 2013 #103

They are guaranteed re-election in Oklahoma absent a showing geek tragedy May 2013 #106

We're almost in agreement` riqster May 2013 #107

Here's the rub: they may insist on spending cuts to geek tragedy May 2013 #109

And make sure everyone knows that it is the Reeps who held up the aid. riqster May 2013 #111

Yep. nt geek tragedy May 2013 #113

how do senators and congress critters become senators and congress critters? La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #50

A majority does not = 100% riqster May 2013 #54

And even for those who didn't vote my way, it doesn't matter. I want to see them helped. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #56

Oh, agreed. riqster May 2013 #91

I wish we had a way to withhold aid from the anti-gubmint, racist, Obama-hating, kestrel91316 May 2013 #59

Because that will make them like liberals so much more. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #62

Sort of reminds me of people who support the embargo against Cuba Daniel537 May 2013 #110

Or from anyone whoever wished to "withold aid" from anyone who needed aid... egduj May 2013 #100

I can figure it out easily, the term is "hypocrisy" Corruption Inc May 2013 #165

Well, those constituents voted for those politicians. Apophis May 2013 #74

No victims of any disaster need to suffer more than they already have. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #80

SOME of "those constituents voted for those politicians". riqster May 2013 #86

Most* Apophis May 2013 #143

All due respect, but it isn't most. It's a majority of a minority. riqster May 2013 #148

I don't react to sensationalism. Apophis May 2013 #149

Granted. And what part of that is the kids' fault? Or that of those who voted Dem? riqster May 2013 #153

Some really creepy Stalin-esque comments on this thread Daniel537 May 2013 #108

That's why I wrote the OP. riqster May 2013 #114

I'm sure its going completely over their head Daniel537 May 2013 #124

Some of them deny that they are thinking that way. riqster May 2013 #127

Completely disagree. sofa king May 2013 #112

Children did not vote to send them to DC. riqster May 2013 #116

So what? jeff47 May 2013 #129

If the only way to end the cycle is by killing kids riqster May 2013 #130

So we should just accept when they want to kill our kids? jeff47 May 2013 #132

Tit-for-tat is not a political strategy. It's just emotional garbage. riqster May 2013 #133

I did address it. jeff47 May 2013 #135

"Supposedly" says it all. riqster May 2013 #138

I appreciate your Curtis Mayfield moment. sofa king May 2013 #188

Is this thread for real ?? shame, shame. nt clarice May 2013 #115

Their attitudes are neither liberal or progressive Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #122

My thoughts exactly. Thanks Puzz. nt clarice May 2013 #123

Nope. Not even a little bit. Zoeisright May 2013 #117

So what about the many people (dems, children, etc.) who did not vote for the Reeps? riqster May 2013 #118

Yeh, that's really low, to wish more harm on innocent people Whisp May 2013 #120

Maybe it says something negative about me, but riqster May 2013 #128

they speak for their constituents when they utter their malignant Doctor_J May 2013 #156

How very nice. riqster May 2013 #157

so is rewarding treason Doctor_J May 2013 #161

I've said it several times already on this thread riqster May 2013 #162

Well, if the media were reversed, this would be well and good Doctor_J May 2013 #166

So what is your solution? What would you do? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #168

The president and/or Reid should call a caucus meeting. The Dems would announce Doctor_J May 2013 #170

So you want to play politics with disaster aid? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #171

You and the rest of the appeasers just don't get it Doctor_J May 2013 #173

Hopefully electoral defeat for Inhofe and Coburn. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #176

THIS ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN Doctor_J May 2013 #179

So let's just deny disaster relief aid to people who've lost their houses. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #180

Coburn already did that. He wants tax cuts to go with the aid to starving children Doctor_J May 2013 #175

So that means we have to do it too? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #177

Only if we want to make some progress against the teabaggers Doctor_J May 2013 #181

Who is "them"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #182

The teabaggers and other traitors in the government, and their voters and propagandists. Doctor_J May 2013 #183

So no Democrats lost their homes yesterday? nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #184

By denying starving children aid? riqster May 2013 #169

Actions and elections have consequences Doctor_J May 2013 #174

Who the fuck cares? It's disaster relief aid for people who've lost their houses. Tommy_Carcetti May 2013 #178

So you are OK with letting the innocent suffer riqster May 2013 #185

And you want to give billions of tax dollars to traitors, hate mongers, and pigs Doctor_J May 2013 #186

No, I want the money to go to the needy. riqster May 2013 #187

I'm of the opinion that should one's political ideology become such LanternWaste May 2013 #163

Well said! riqster May 2013 #167

What an excellent bromide Doctor_J May 2013 #172