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baldguy

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137. How many times does this have to be said: the breed isn't the problem. The people are.

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Tue May 21, 2013, 06:02 PM

May 2013

Their are certainly dogs that have aggression issues - but that is by no means limited to Pit Bulls. And Pit Bull breeds actually score better on ATTS testing than many other popular breeds.

Yet lazy, sensationalistic media will always refer to any dog in any story about incidents of aggression as a "Pit Bull", no matter what the actual breed is.

Then there are the misleading dog bite surveys, which count every one of several breeds as a Pit Bull, and any Pit Bull mix as a "Pit Bull" with no accounting for what other breed may be in its make up, and then any dog that looks like a Pit Bull gets counted as a "Pit Bull".

What we have is a problem with people being irresponsible & allowing dog bites to occur. This problem exists regardless of the breed. To solve it we have to force people to be responsible. Every dog should be trained and socialized too be around people & other dogs. Every dog should be spayed or neutered. Every dog should be safe from abuse & neglect.

The breed doesn't matter.

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Would you support imposing restrictions to breeding pit-bulls? [View all] La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 OP

Fuck no. Make laws for all breeds then, why pick on pits only?? darkangel218 May 2013 #1

look at the shelters in NYC for instance La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #8

I dont know, i love pits. Maybe you have a point darkangel218 May 2013 #16

i am not negative about the breed per-se but i do think the breed requries La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #19

I agree with you. darkangel218 May 2013 #37

Shelters are packed full of mutts. Make the same requirements for all dogs. uppityperson May 2013 #53

not in nyc. we have a lack of non-pit mutts La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #67

Wow, there are that many akc "pit bulls" in the shelters there? Or do you mean a dog that looks like uppityperson May 2013 #121

backyard breeders are akc certified usually? the shelters id them as pits or pit mixes La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #122

Ah, so any dog a shelter says is a pit is a pit. Totally subjective. Got it, thanks. uppityperson May 2013 #126

you can argue with me for arguments sake, but look at the dogs La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #127

shelters usually don't just go by looks. Sunlei May 2013 #153

Not here - 40% is just Pits & Chis (CA) n/t FreeState May 2013 #115

Up here (Oregon)... Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #133

Got my pitty girl from the NYC ACC dorkzilla May 2013 #55

+1000 darkangel218 May 2013 #60

You mean like this??? dorkzilla May 2013 #76

your link doesn't work nt/ alp227 May 2013 #148

they are popular because they are cheap and the poormans 'gun' a street status dog Sunlei May 2013 #155

and here, I mean cheap, 'poormans status' and keywords like this, heres a link Sunlei May 2013 #156

no arguments here La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #161

Something like 60% of fatal dog attacks are attributed to pits.. pipoman May 2013 #44

Humans kill too. darkangel218 May 2013 #47

LOL..no differences there, eh? FFS pipoman May 2013 #48

Whats the difference? darkangel218 May 2013 #50

LOL..again..We're talking about dogs here.. pipoman May 2013 #99

So the other species are just food for you? darkangel218 May 2013 #110

Apparently virtually everyone else in this thread sees it differently.. pipoman May 2013 #111

ROFL all you want. darkangel218 May 2013 #112

Not if I am paying to feed, care for and house them they don't..~snick~ pipoman May 2013 #113

So your parents paid to house and feed you. darkangel218 May 2013 #114

Absurdities.. pipoman May 2013 #117

No, its facts!! darkangel218 May 2013 #119

Sorry for the delayed response.. pipoman May 2013 #130

! randome May 2013 #135

Yeah, I know.. pipoman May 2013 #146

That's a lie. baldguy May 2013 #140

Look that the enormous amount in the shelters Marrah_G May 2013 #52

Look at the homeless/orphan children darkangel218 May 2013 #56

omg it's impossible to have a conversation with you. Marrah_G May 2013 #59

We are having a conversation, you just dont like what i have to say. darkangel218 May 2013 #62

replying with nonsensical responses is not the same as having a conversation. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #81

My reaponse was right to the point. darkangel218 May 2013 #88

I think you prove the opposite of what you want to prove. quakerboy May 2013 #163

The OP and many others are focusing on pits only darkangel218 May 2013 #165

+1 nt Left2Tackle May 2013 #143

Agreed. ALL breeds. nt jazzimov May 2013 #151

There needs to be a screening process before adoption Cooley Hurd May 2013 #2

in addition to breeding restrictions or instead of? La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #5

Breeding restrictions are best across the spectrum... Cooley Hurd May 2013 #11

no debate there La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #13

They DO screen. But not well enough, it appears. Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #20

Most "adoptions" are from one individual to another and don't involve any type of screening. Arkansas Granny May 2013 #45

Its not the dogs from the shelters that are the problems most of the time Drale May 2013 #70

I would support restrictions tosh May 2013 #3

true enough La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #9

+100 G_j May 2013 #23

This quakerboy May 2013 #164

I don't like these breeds, but this is over reaching, IMO... cynatnite May 2013 #4

this is over reaching but breed specific legislation La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #6

I never said that.... cynatnite May 2013 #18

'Being held accountable' after the fact does no good when someone is maimed or killed. randome May 2013 #29

i know you never said it, i meant that i propose this La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #30

I understand. Thanks. n/t cynatnite May 2013 #42

First they came for the pitbulls... bunnies May 2013 #7

And there was no one left to woof. n/t Smarmie Doofus May 2013 #25

Yes BUT the restrictions need to be to protect the dogs. Drale May 2013 #10

yes, i am saying to protect the breed generally La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #12

And how are we going to do that? randome May 2013 #32

How do they enforce BSL laws? Drale May 2013 #38

Line of sight, I suppose. Public awareness and a central registry? randome May 2013 #43

There shouldn't be any banned breeds Drale May 2013 #46

Why? For the sake of consistency? randome May 2013 #54

Whose we? Drale May 2013 #61

If 'reactionary' means 'react to a dangerous situation', them I'm guilty as charged. randome May 2013 #65

"And I'd say the poll reflects the fact that more people would like restrictions Drale May 2013 #66

Who is 'we'? one_voice May 2013 #74

i dont know about others but while i was asking for pit bulls La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #78

I also agree with what others... one_voice May 2013 #90

And the next breed that causes this level of fear should then be banned, as well. randome May 2013 #91

No. If you let pit bulls die out then people will miss out on their exceptionalism. cui bono May 2013 #132

I don't believe that. Any dog can be a warm and loving companion. randome May 2013 #136

Any dog can be that. But in my experience Pitties are the best. cui bono May 2013 #139

Something else. I agree with the ASPCA position on BSL PeaceNikki May 2013 #14

Until it's established that the problem is the breeding whatchamacallit May 2013 #15

abuse is not equal to breeding La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #22

I believe the poster means that breed is a problem Drale May 2013 #71

I might support restrictions on breeding essentially all animals MH1 May 2013 #17

Let's say an animal from a "reputable breeder" is involved in an attack whatchamacallit May 2013 #21

yes, in as much as it was the owners fault La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #24

How is that established? whatchamacallit May 2013 #31

for instance if you broke into my house and my dog mauled you La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #34

How 'bout if I'm just out jogging? n/t whatchamacallit May 2013 #36

i think owners should have to pay damages or whatever La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #72

Act of Dog? whatchamacallit May 2013 #101

Have you seen some of the pictures of children mauled by pit bulls? randome May 2013 #116

Kind of what I would like to know. HappyMe May 2013 #83

In the case of death or maiming whatchamacallit May 2013 #102

Absolutely. HappyMe May 2013 #104

Why limit restrictions to just two breeds? sinkingfeeling May 2013 #26

many reasons La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #28

Don't buy it. The meanest dog and the only one to bite me was an Australian sinkingfeeling May 2013 #33

look at polls about how people feel about pits and look at communities La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #35

Look, I know you hate the non-breed, pit bull, but I don't recognize any sinkingfeeling May 2013 #40

how do you know i hate the pit bull? La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #49

Why do you suppose that is? whatchamacallit May 2013 #41

What happened when it bit you? XemaSab May 2013 #145

By sneaking up behind me, bit me on the back upper thigh and sinkingfeeling May 2013 #167

Ditto.... ohheckyeah May 2013 #158

Do you think pit bull are happy with a single nip? Boudica the Lyoness May 2013 #168

And 60% of human fatal dog attacks are attributed to pits.. pipoman May 2013 #100

no, but I support brutal punishment for owners who abuse ProdigalJunkMail May 2013 #27

Absolutely. The Link May 2013 #39

You just hate dogs. baldguy May 2013 #142

I would support restrictions on ALL breeding Marrah_G May 2013 #51

yes, i think people who equate this to orphan children or killer humans La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #77

yup Marrah_G May 2013 #80

Only as much as I do for every other dog breed, as well as mutts. GoCubsGo May 2013 #57

I toured our local animal shelter recently. Betsy Ross May 2013 #58

so true. i am not sure where you live but the NYC shelters in all 5 boros are La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #73

To underscore your point about the pits in NYC... dorkzilla May 2013 #92

yes, i wonder how many people think i was exaggerating La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #95

It's the same everywhere I think Marrah_G May 2013 #141

something else. 1. Laws about breeding dogs and cats generally magical thyme May 2013 #63

Yes with one caveat Tien1985 May 2013 #64

in essence i agree with you. in reality, i dont see that happening La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #69

The people element Tien1985 May 2013 #128

I support breeding restrictions on the people who train dogs to fight. Gidney N Cloyd May 2013 #68

I support breeding restrictions on people period. darkangel218 May 2013 #75

we do regulate ourself. we also dont breed ourselves to sell to profit La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #79

You couldnt be more wrong! we do not control our breeding! darkangel218 May 2013 #84

I'd support breeding restrictions for all breeds Fresh_Start May 2013 #82

Well said! hamsterjill May 2013 #87

The laws should be stricter for all breeds and all breeders. Jamastiene May 2013 #85

+100 darkangel218 May 2013 #89

no, all dog breeders should be restricted to 'reputable' breeders' Sunlei May 2013 #86

I would support a national id system for all dogs and require all dogs wear their tag. Sunlei May 2013 #94

Humans always get the dog they deserve? XemaSab May 2013 #147

people get the dog they deserve. Sunlei May 2013 #150

No. But I would pass laws that would make it a felony to allow anydog, capable of killing humans, to ladjf May 2013 #93

It is a felony if your dog kills someone. problem is no one claims ownership of strays. Sunlei May 2013 #96

Dogs in our neighborhood are required to register their dog's DNA with shows also ownership. nt ladjf May 2013 #109

I think it's easier to use a scanner for a microchip,shelters,animal control and Vets have scanners. Sunlei May 2013 #157

another point is, dog fighting is a misdemeanor charge in some states, should be a felony. Sunlei May 2013 #98

yes I would also support imposing restrictions gopiscrap May 2013 #97

No demwing May 2013 #103

Just checking LostOne4Ever May 2013 #105

no, not proposing banning. infact proposing this because banning a breed is just weird La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #125

I'll give you this LLP whatchamacallit May 2013 #106

I support restrictions on breeding most purebred animals. Zoeisright May 2013 #107

Yes. nt clarice May 2013 #108

Restrict just those two breeds and unreputable breeders will move on to other breeds Gormy Cuss May 2013 #118

this is a really good point. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #120

I voted yes. RebelOne May 2013 #123

Other: Fully crack down on the underground fight scene... Blue_Tires May 2013 #124

Yep. And if they're selling dogs on Craig's List, crackdown on that too. cui bono May 2013 #134

oh hell yea, and I would go farther and ban the things quinnox May 2013 #129

Another thing that is proved even more every day somewhere in America cui bono May 2013 #131

How many times does this have to be said: the breed isn't the problem. The people are. baldguy May 2013 #137

except it does to dogs in that breed. hence responsible breeding + screening of ownerse La Lioness Priyanka May 2013 #138

Prosecute owners of dogs that bite and hurt someone. Left2Tackle May 2013 #144

I voted no, but SteveG May 2013 #149

I vote to restrict all breeding as long as any dogs Live and Learn May 2013 #152

Winning answer. Close the thread. flvegan May 2013 #154

No, I don't want a dog that is someones else's breeding mistake. Boudica the Lyoness May 2013 #170

Breeding mistake??? Live and Learn May 2013 #171

Only if they're breeding them at Olive Garden. kentauros May 2013 #159

I voted no for one reason TorchTheWitch May 2013 #160

I support banning all breeding. roody May 2013 #162

I support reputable breeding for all breeds of all domestic animals. LWolf May 2013 #166

Yep, restrict it for all breeds - until the shelters are empty. (nt) ehrnst May 2013 #169