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16. It is not feasible to engineer a civilization for a 9.5 earthquake.

Wed May 22, 2013, 02:03 AM

May 2013

So people either move away or just accept that their last chance may run out before they would like. We have the Rose Canyon fault running just off the coast near San Onofre. Sure, they say it will take a 7.0, but its 25 years old and we won't know until the ground shifts, at which point its too late. And who knows when the next wild fire will break out and runs over the city. It is feasible to do something about those, though so far there is no will to pay the taxes it will cost.

The U.S. of A. is going through a disaster season, both man made and natural, if you don't care to give a nod toward man made global warning as the culprit behind the Oklahoma Storm. We live in a chaotic system that will, at times, crash down on our heads.

So plan as best you can, and dance until darkness falls.

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Please remember us in the PNW when the 9.5 Richter Mega-quake hits. [View all] ErikJ May 2013 OP

I'm waiting for the Yellow Stone Park volcano olddots May 2013 #1

Yellowstone is 600,000 year cycle vs 300 years for PNW mega-quakes. ErikJ May 2013 #3

It's a little hard to call 2 eruptions a "cycle". jeff47 May 2013 #116

Near-clockwork every 600,000 yrs. ErikJ May 2013 #117

The point is you can't call it "clockwork" when it only happened two times. jeff47 May 2013 #118

Looks like 3 eruptions , 2.1, 1.3 and .64 mya ErikJ May 2013 #119

Well technically the hot spot hasn't moved. trotsky May 2013 #133

Yes, just like Hawaii ErikJ May 2013 #138

Considering how accurate Old Faithful is, 600,000 years might be accurate after only 2 eruptions liberal N proud May 2013 #126

i think thats more a galileoreloaded May 2013 #145

That will impact a far greater area than the PNW quake. gateley May 2013 #19

Nah, you'll probably luck out on that: Poll_Blind May 2013 #32

Haha! But Seattle may be the new Atlantis by then! gateley May 2013 #41

Maybe if Yellowstone erupts it'll just be shock troop Reptoids from the hollow Earth and... Poll_Blind May 2013 #50

More than just weather Spider Jerusalem May 2013 #53

If I recall correctly, the worst damage was to the east. hunter May 2013 #93

That jives with what I was thinking (assuming?) about the jet stream's effect if... Poll_Blind May 2013 #95

Aren't you both just little balls of sunshine. Occulus May 2013 #104

Yay, I am outside that but damn. Anyone in it will be moving in with me. uppityperson May 2013 #111

Just keep an eye out for Woody Harrelson. If he heads toward YSP, Skidmore May 2013 #131

That's right. The Tsunami will completely fuck things up cliffordu May 2013 #2

They predict 60-100 foot deep tsunami. ErikJ May 2013 #5

I don't worry about it. There are worse ways to go. cliffordu May 2013 #7

Life is waaaaaay to short to worry about shit like that. Gravitycollapse May 2013 #8

Nah... life goes on. defacto7 May 2013 #9

I'm planning on the latter. ErikJ May 2013 #12

I'm taking swimming lessons pinboy3niner May 2013 #20

lol! ErikJ May 2013 #28

I'm not worried about them so much pinboy3niner May 2013 #36

Where are you going to go that is "safe" ? bvar22 May 2013 #86

I feel pretty safe here pipi_k May 2013 #94

I'm upstate NY, and pretty safe, too adigal May 2013 #124

If you're on a hilltop, you're probably safe from tornadoes Art_from_Ark May 2013 #148

The problem is that up along the coast near the Columbia river there won't be much higher ground... cascadiance May 2013 #37

I've also heard some speculation that the water could "boing" back and forth gateley May 2013 #45

I hate it when it does that. pscot May 2013 #144

I was thinking he would be heading for Colorado. defacto7 May 2013 #66

I'm holding out for an astroid strike. Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #4

How about a death toll of a million. The PNW isnt ready at ALL ErikJ May 2013 #6

just be sure you have lots of american flags to put out the day after, OK? nt msongs May 2013 #11

It'll be horrid laundry_queen May 2013 #13

I remember hearing about Vancouver being unprepared for The Big One Art_from_Ark May 2013 #34

Well laundry_queen May 2013 #38

I think it would be particularly bad in Richmond Art_from_Ark May 2013 #44

When the Haida Gwaii quakes hit u4ic May 2013 #146

Yeesh laundry_queen May 2013 #147

That's the problem. defacto7 May 2013 #14

Hi-ground? Thousands of schools and buildings that they say will collapse. Too expensive to prepare ErikJ May 2013 #15

Here in Portland it's been hard to get measures passed to retrofit schools that are badly needed... cascadiance May 2013 #22

For years, they'd been saying the Alaskan Way Viaduct would collapse in the next big one gateley May 2013 #26

The difference in energy released between 9 and 6.8 richter is about 66,000:1 Gravitycollapse May 2013 #35

I understand. gateley May 2013 #42

And mega-thrust quakes last for several minutes too. ErikJ May 2013 #52

I doubt the used trailer would be of much use. former9thward May 2013 #140

I know-just for shelter in yard ErikJ May 2013 #142

Think, liquefaction defacto7 May 2013 #69

Yep. Yikes! gateley May 2013 #122

It gives me the creeps to be in/under it anymore. Always aware of the fastest way off or out from uppityperson May 2013 #112

It is not feasible to engineer a civilization for a 9.5 earthquake. Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #16

Japan and Chile are ready for 9.5's. It's the law for a long time. ErikJ May 2013 #23

It's another example of how we feel we're invincible. It's nation-wide, gateley May 2013 #27

Its too abstract when it has never happened. People dont want to think about it ErikJ May 2013 #43

New Orleans certainly had its fair share of hurricanes before Katrina, and gateley May 2013 #47

If there is no will to change the codes and force people to pay taxes Agnosticsherbet May 2013 #30

I give you Fukashima and ask how ready they were for that.... Bluenorthwest May 2013 #90

No they are not Hugabear May 2013 #100

If Japan is ready for 9.5s, why all the damage from the 7.1? Not just Fukushima but all uppityperson May 2013 #113

Well it was a 9.1 mega-thrust quake but at Fukishima one report sas it was a 7.1 in that location. ErikJ May 2013 #120

Dance Until Darkness Fails solara May 2013 #75

Lived in L.A. for 50 years. Earthquake threats are something we live with every day. calimary May 2013 #25

The US death toll from the quake itself isn't going to be anything close to that XemaSab May 2013 #33

Yes, the Sound and the Van Bay will be very interesting to see what the tsunami does. ErikJ May 2013 #46

Will it be interesting? defacto7 May 2013 #73

From a morbidly curious viewpoint only. But Tokyo Bay was fine ErikJ May 2013 #77

apples and oranges. defacto7 May 2013 #79

The tsunami from the last major earthquake in the PNW (January 26, 1700) devastated JAPAN, Lydia Leftcoast May 2013 #105

Yes, the tsunami on our coast was at least 60 feet deep I recall. ErikJ May 2013 #107

The West Coast also faces rising ocean levels pinboy3niner May 2013 #10

I wish we could get a 30 minute warning. SCVDem May 2013 #17

If it's God's wrath... pinboy3niner May 2013 #31

Ain't that the truth! SCVDem May 2013 #84

And the mega-churches would be next in line siligut May 2013 #128

It would be the biggest disaster by far. However, looking at the Cascadia earthquake of 1700... Poll_Blind May 2013 #18

Well at least anchor-strap your house to your foundation. ErikJ May 2013 #40

I'm also in Eugene, and I know a few quake and tsunami experts personally Bluenorthwest May 2013 #89

Another worry would be Mount Rainier. roamer65 May 2013 #106

You are right KT2000 May 2013 #21

About how far inland do you live? nt Poll_Blind May 2013 #24

one half mile KT2000 May 2013 #29

Oh geeze. Well, I think even in a situation like that once can still be prepared. Poll_Blind May 2013 #39

Some information of interest to Oregon and Washington posters Bluenorthwest May 2013 #92

thanks for this! n/t KT2000 May 2013 #97

R.I P. pinboy3niner May 2013 #48

That's they way I see it too KT2000 May 2013 #61

Bears? Oh my! pinboy3niner May 2013 #72

Most everyone here KT2000 May 2013 #76

Careful--you could end up with a permanent live-in guest! pinboy3niner May 2013 #78

We have some of those too! KT2000 May 2013 #80

And is there a lighthouse at the end of the spit? uppityperson May 2013 #114

There sure is!! KT2000 May 2013 #123

I saw some interesting and cute little tracks walking out that spit once, trying to figure out what uppityperson May 2013 #125

I noticed the Nisqually seemed to be lasting an especially long time, but it felt almost gentle gateley May 2013 #49

But do you remember KT2000 May 2013 #57

I think I do! And that may have added to my sense that "boy, this is lasting a long time!" gateley May 2013 #60

Space Needle?! KT2000 May 2013 #65

I'd be afraid to go down those stairs at ANY time. gateley May 2013 #98

You mean when it did that big roll after shuddering for a while? That was weird. uppityperson May 2013 #115

Yeah, the rolling of the Nisqually was quite different than the harsh jerk of the ones suffragette May 2013 #67

WTH? I thought the asteroid was going to hit first? hollysmom May 2013 #51

I think the idea is it won't hit but will skip across Yellowstone like a big can opener for the... Poll_Blind May 2013 #54

Or possibly the Zombie Apocalypse pinboy3niner May 2013 #56

I am looking forward to having beach front property and an ocean view. jtuck004 May 2013 #55

Spokane-No quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, mudslides, floods, mega-fires EVER. ErikJ May 2013 #59

When Mt. St Helen blew up, it covered the streets here with inches thick layers jtuck004 May 2013 #62

Yes, probably safest place in the world. ErikJ May 2013 #63

Until we heat the place up and melt all the snowfall that recharges the jtuck004 May 2013 #70

You forgot the Spokane serial killers... diane in sf May 2013 #71

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For everyone who is still not suitably freaked out, please enjoy Miracle Mile: Poll_Blind May 2013 #58

I don't worry about a thing cuzz nothings gonna work out right . olddots May 2013 #64

The thought of a 9.5 isn't even funny. Control-Z May 2013 #68

Yes, The Permian extinction wiped out 95% of life on earth. ErikJ May 2013 #74

is there any video which shows the same area shaking at different levels during an earthquake JI7 May 2013 #82

So what is your level of familiarity with PNW geology? chknltl May 2013 #83

Hey hey!!! Haven`t seen you around in a bit! opiate69 May 2013 #87

Hey you! Been busy but here's a quick catchup: chknltl May 2013 #96

Oh, yeah.. I remember the old Roof crew.. opiate69 May 2013 #102

Wowsers, quitting cigarettes is craptastically hard! chknltl May 2013 #108

Woudn't that be a kick in the pants if a huge quake caused Rainier and/or Hood to blow? Arugula Latte May 2013 #135

it is something this barstool science 'expert' thinks about chknltl May 2013 #143

Never heard that treestar May 2013 #85

Not entirely true laundry_queen May 2013 #109

I'd hope people are as compassionate to you cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #88

+1 NaturalHigh May 2013 #103

Apples and oranges ErikJ May 2013 #137

Enjoy your apples. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #139

Like Thom Hartmann says, "get out there and get active!". Thats the only way you can change OK. ErikJ May 2013 #141

I for one will demand that emergency funding for the PNW be offset by cuts to education. Orrex May 2013 #91

Bwah! Orrex (R) :-) gateley May 2013 #99

What is this? Earth_First May 2013 #101

Why get a small trailer? Somewhere to live when the house falls down? uppityperson May 2013 #110

Yes, if your house is destroyed you could live in your trailer ErikJ May 2013 #121

Yup. I live in a tornado/flood proof area of the inland northwest. I'm damn glad brewens May 2013 #127

no, not with a bang librechik May 2013 #129

Yes, if Fukushima #4 reactor collapses it could be bad for the PNW -and N. America. ErikJ May 2013 #130

Well thanks. My Seattle morning just got a little grayer. nolabear May 2013 #132

Portland here...I've concluded that we're totally screwed when the subduction zone slips. Arugula Latte May 2013 #134

Maybe THIS guy could lend a hand? randome May 2013 #136